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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

2026-01-15T22:07:44Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

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	Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive, and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk into any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.		Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive, and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk into any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.

	One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe it.		One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe it.

	The only real worry holding Innamorata and Harlequin back is a question of Loyalties. [[Loyalty]] is central to the League, it is the stone and the steel that holds the cities together. The issue is raised more than once by many of the League citizens the egregores talk to. If the Apulians just betrayed their fellow Salt Lords then can they really be trusted? It's a fundamental question and one that the egregores feel can only really be resolved by their fellow citizens talking to the Apulians themselves. Kaliact and her key supporters have indicated that they plan to attend the summit, so it seems that is the best place to settle that question. If they can convince the smartest people in the League that they hold their loyalties as dearly as any League citizen then that is good enough for the egregores.		The only real worry holding Innamorata and Harlequin back is a question of Loyalties. [[Loyalty]] is central to the League, it is the stone and the steel that holds the cities together. The issue is raised more than once by many of the League citizens the egregores talk to. If the Apulians just betrayed their fellow Salt Lords then can they really be trusted? It's a fundamental question and one that the egregores feel can only really be resolved by their fellow citizens talking to the Apulians themselves. Kaliact and her key supporters have indicated that they plan to attend the summit, so it seems that is the best place to settle that question. If they can convince the smartest people in the League that they hold their loyalties as dearly as any League citizen then that is good enough for the egregores.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

2026-01-15T15:22:42Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ovzpwpkwJk}}		{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ovzpwpkwJk}}
	==Overview==		==Overview==
	Thanks to the [[Ratify_treaty_with_Salt_Lord_Kaliact_Spring_385YE\|treaty]] between Salt Lord Kaliact and the Imperial senate, the [[Wolves of War]] have been able to [[A tide in the affairs\|take control]] of [[Spiral]] in a single season. In return for this extraordinary gift, Kaliact demanded the right for her and her supporters to join [[the League]]. The [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] agreed to the treaty in principle, but the decision of whether the Apulian [[orc\|Orcs]] can join the Empire does not lie with the Senate. Legally citizenship can only be granted by an [[egregore]].		Thanks to the [[Ratify_treaty_with_Salt_Lord_Kaliact_Spring_385YE\|treaty]] between Salt Lord Kaliact and the Imperial senate, the [[Wolves of War]] have been able to [[A tide in the affairs\|take control]] of [[Spiral]] in a single season. In return for this extraordinary gift, Kaliact demanded the right for her and her supporters to join [[the League]]. The [[Senate]] agreed to the treaty in principle, but the decision of whether the Apulian [[orc\|Orcs]] can join the Empire does not lie with the Senate. Legally citizenship can only be granted by an [[egregore]].

	To see if that is possible, the League egregores, '''Harlequin''' and '''Innamorata''', have been busy talking to League citizens about the [[Grendel]], sharing what they know and considering if there really is a home for these audacious orcs in the League. They have also been talking to the Apulians themselves, all in the interest of deciding whether or not it is possible for them to join. In theory this is no different to any individual who seeks to join a nation - but with so many orcs looking to join the decision is unusually important. It seems they plan to make a final decision on the matter on Saturday during the coming summit.		To see if that is possible, the League egregores, '''Harlequin''' and '''Innamorata''', have been busy talking to League citizens about the [[Grendel]], sharing what they know and considering if there really is a home for these audacious orcs in the League. They have also been talking to the Apulians themselves, all in the interest of deciding whether or not it is possible for them to join. In theory this is no different to any individual who seeks to join a nation - but with so many orcs looking to join the decision is unusually important. It seems they plan to make a final decision on the matter on Saturday during the coming summit.

Twiggy at 13:23, 16 July 2025

2025-07-16T13:23:53Z

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	Imperial forces have secured the Legacy, an important Bourse resource that provides 22 wains of [[mithril]] each season. No citizen can be elected to oversee operations until the Imperial Senate decides whether the seat will be Imperial or national. If the seat is declared to be an Imperial seat, then it will be open to any citizen by auction to the highest bidder. If the seat is national, it must be a League seat, and will be elected by their preferred method - in this case auction to the highest bidder from the League.		Imperial forces have secured the Legacy, an important Bourse resource that provides 22 wains of [[mithril]] each season. No citizen can be elected to oversee operations until the Imperial Senate decides whether the seat will be Imperial or national. If the seat is declared to be an Imperial seat, then it will be open to any citizen by auction to the highest bidder. If the seat is national, it must be a League seat, and will be elected by their preferred method - in this case auction to the highest bidder from the League.

	Kaliact's people have politely requested that it would be fairer for the Imperial Senate to wait one season before the issue is settled. That would give the territory a time to arrange a senator which would help them to have some say in how the assets in their territory are disposed of. They also point out that the mithril produced by the Legacy is vital to the inhabitants of the territory, since it is needed to provide an effective defence against the corrosive influence of the Black Plateau. If it is allocated as an Imperial position now, then it will be a free for all and all the occupants of Spiral will suffer as a result. If there is a delay, or if the resource was made national, it would give the Apulians time to discuss the matter with the Urizen to see if they could collaborate on a bid to ensure the mithril produced benefitted both nations.		Kaliact's people have politely requested that it would be fairer for the Imperial Senate to wait one season before the issue is settled. That would give the territory a time to arrange a senator which would help them to have some say in how the assets in their territory are disposed of. They also point out that the mithril produced by the Legacy is vital to the inhabitants of the territory, since it is needed to provide an effective defence against the corrosive influence of the {{Black Plateau}}. If it is allocated as an Imperial position now, then it will be a free for all and all the occupants of Spiral will suffer as a result. If there is a delay, or if the resource was made national, it would give the Apulians time to discuss the matter with the Urizen to see if they could collaborate on a bid to ensure the mithril produced benefitted both nations.

	If the Legacy is not allocated, then the mithril that is produced there this season will be kept on hand and given to the first successful citizen who is appointed to the title. On the other hand, if the Legacy is allocated on Friday, then it can be appointed on Saturday. In either case, it will be appointed again at the Autumn equinox, since all mithril seats are elected at this season.		If the Legacy is not allocated, then the mithril that is produced there this season will be kept on hand and given to the first successful citizen who is appointed to the title. On the other hand, if the Legacy is allocated on Friday, then it can be appointed on Saturday. In either case, it will be appointed again at the Autumn equinox, since all mithril seats are elected at this season.

Rafferty: /* Further Reading */

2023-09-01T20:12:59Z

Vsabo: /* Participation */

2023-07-26T16:21:39Z

Participation

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	===Participation===		===Participation===
	* '''Players cannot create Apulian Orc characters, and cannot play humans raised among the Grendel at this time'''		* '''Players cannot create Apulian Orc characters, and cannot play humans raised among the Grendel at this time'''
	It is not possible for players to create Apulian Orc characters, not least because the question of whether these orcs can become part of the League has not been answered. Likewise, it is not possible to create a human character who was raised among the Grendel of Apulian. it is acceptable to have a new League character who has moved to Apulian from one of the other cities, but there will be no additional briefing material available about what Apulian or its citizens are like beyond what is already on the wiki.		It is not possible for players to create Apulian Orc characters, not least because the question of whether these orcs can become part of the League has not been answered. Likewise, it is not possible to create a human character who was raised among the Grendel of Apulian. It is acceptable to have a new League character who has moved to Apulian from one of the other cities, but there will be no additional briefing material available about what Apulian or its citizens are like beyond what is already on the wiki.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[Chords]] - 385YE Summer Wind of Fortune posing a series of questions related to Apulian Orc faith		* [[Chords]] - 385YE Summer Wind of Fortune posing a series of questions related to Apulian Orc faith
	* [[TBC]] -		* [[TBC]] -
	* [[A tide in the affairs]] - 385YE Wind of War detailing the "conquest" of Spiral		* [[A tide in the affairs]] - 385YE Wind of War detailing the "conquest" of Spiral

Vsabo: /* A Question of Loyalties */

2023-07-26T16:11:23Z

A Question of Loyalties

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	Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive, and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk into any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.		Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive, and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk into any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.

	One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[Imperial Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe.it.		One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[Imperial Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe it.

	The only real worry holding Innamorata and Harlequin back is a question of Loyalties. [[Loyalty]] is central to the League, it is the stone and the steel that holds the cities together. The issue is raised more than once by many of the League citizens the egregores talk to. If the Apulians just betrayed their fellow Salt Lords then can they really be trusted? It's a fundamental question and one that the egregores feel can only really be resolved by their fellow citizens talking to the Apulians themselves. Kaliact and her key supporters have indicated that they plan to attend the summit, so it seems that is the best place to settle that question. If they can convince the smartest people in the League that they hold their loyalties as dearly as any League citizen then that is good enough for the egregores.		The only real worry holding Innamorata and Harlequin back is a question of Loyalties. [[Loyalty]] is central to the League, it is the stone and the steel that holds the cities together. The issue is raised more than once by many of the League citizens the egregores talk to. If the Apulians just betrayed their fellow Salt Lords then can they really be trusted? It's a fundamental question and one that the egregores feel can only really be resolved by their fellow citizens talking to the Apulians themselves. Kaliact and her key supporters have indicated that they plan to attend the summit, so it seems that is the best place to settle that question. If they can convince the smartest people in the League that they hold their loyalties as dearly as any League citizen then that is good enough for the egregores.
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	Having made that decision, Harlequin and Innamorata let people know the issue will be settled once and for all at Anvil at the coming summit. They don't fully agree with each other on whether this is a good idea or not, which is probably a fair approximation of how the average League citizen in the street feels. Delaying to the summit means there is a final opportunity for the movers and shakers of the League to talk to the Apulians and to the egregores to decide once and for all if they still want to go ahead with this plan.		Having made that decision, Harlequin and Innamorata let people know the issue will be settled once and for all at Anvil at the coming summit. They don't fully agree with each other on whether this is a good idea or not, which is probably a fair approximation of how the average League citizen in the street feels. Delaying to the summit means there is a final opportunity for the movers and shakers of the League to talk to the Apulians and to the egregores to decide once and for all if they still want to go ahead with this plan.

	After-all there is no turning back from a decision like this...		After all, there is no turning back from a decision like this...

	===The Power of Names===		===The Power of Names===

Vsabo: /* A Question of Loyalties */

2023-07-26T16:09:24Z

A Question of Loyalties

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	The egregores also spend a great deal of time talking to citizens of the League, weighing the fate of the Apulians as they do. A big part of this is trying to judge how welcome the orcs might be. The decision of the folk at [[Anvil]] seems clear enough, but it's not so obvious that the people of [[Sarvos]] feel the same way about the barbarians who [[The sack of Sarvos\|occupied their city]]. It's not a matter of a vote really, but the egregores are keen to talk to people about what they've seen in Spiral and what it might mean for them.		The egregores also spend a great deal of time talking to citizens of the League, weighing the fate of the Apulians as they do. A big part of this is trying to judge how welcome the orcs might be. The decision of the folk at [[Anvil]] seems clear enough, but it's not so obvious that the people of [[Sarvos]] feel the same way about the barbarians who [[The sack of Sarvos\|occupied their city]]. It's not a matter of a vote really, but the egregores are keen to talk to people about what they've seen in Spiral and what it might mean for them.

	Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive. and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk ~~in to~~ any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.		Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive, and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk into any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.

	One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[Imperial Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe.it.		One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[Imperial Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe.it.

Vsabo: /* A Question of Loyalties */

2023-07-26T16:08:16Z

A Question of Loyalties

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	* '''The League egregores will canvas opinions from citizens at Anvil before making their final decision on Saturday'''		* '''The League egregores will canvas opinions from citizens at Anvil before making their final decision on Saturday'''
	* '''Once the final decision is made, it cannot be reversed without unimaginable cost'''		* '''Once the final decision is made, it cannot be reversed without unimaginable cost'''
	Harlequin and Innamorata, the League egregores, visit Spiral regularly throughout this time, talking to the Apulians and weighing them up. They are in pursuit of two very important questions - who actually genuinely ''wants'' to join the League? And perhaps more importantly, should they be allowed to join? The central question of ''can'' they join the League is left for later. As Harlequin explains, "it's much better to decide if we really want them to join, then see if the magic works - rather than the other way round."		Harlequin and Innamorata, the League egregores, visit Spiral regularly throughout this time, talking to the Apulians and weighing them up. They are in pursuit of two very important questions - who actually genuinely ''wants'' to join the League? And perhaps more importantly, should they be allowed to join? The central question of ''can'' they join the League is left for later. As Harlequin explains, "It's much better to decide if we really want them to join, then see if the magic works - rather than the other way round."

	Almost all of Kaliact's followers are fully committed, but even beyond her immediate circle of allies, there is no shortage of orcs expressing an interest in becoming part of the League. It is clear to everyone that Kaliact has the upper-hand and those who believe things will stay that way are keen to get ahead. Not everyone feels the same; the bulk of folk living in Apulian prefer to wait a little while first. After all, the Grendel controlled this entire territory a few weeks ago... so clearly the situation is fluid and can change quickly. It's best not to buy a ship 'til the wright has caulked it, more than a few Apulians say.		Almost all of Kaliact's followers are fully committed, but even beyond her immediate circle of allies, there is no shortage of orcs expressing an interest in becoming part of the League. It is clear to everyone that Kaliact has the upper-hand and those who believe things will stay that way are keen to get ahead. Not everyone feels the same; the bulk of folk living in Apulian prefer to wait a little while first. After all, the Grendel controlled this entire territory a few weeks ago... so clearly the situation is fluid and can change quickly. It's best not to buy a ship 'til the wright has caulked it, more than a few Apulians say.

Vsabo: /* A Question of Loyalties */

2023-07-26T16:06:03Z

A Question of Loyalties

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	Harlequin and Innamorata, the League egregores, visit Spiral regularly throughout this time, talking to the Apulians and weighing them up. They are in pursuit of two very important questions - who actually genuinely ''wants'' to join the League? And perhaps more importantly, should they be allowed to join? The central question of ''can'' they join the League is left for later. As Harlequin explains, "it's much better to decide if we really want them to join, then see if the magic works - rather than the other way round."		Harlequin and Innamorata, the League egregores, visit Spiral regularly throughout this time, talking to the Apulians and weighing them up. They are in pursuit of two very important questions - who actually genuinely ''wants'' to join the League? And perhaps more importantly, should they be allowed to join? The central question of ''can'' they join the League is left for later. As Harlequin explains, "it's much better to decide if we really want them to join, then see if the magic works - rather than the other way round."

	Almost all of Kaliact's followers are fully committed, but even beyond her immediate circle of allies, there is no shortage of orcs expressing an interest in becoming part of the League. It is clear to everyone that Kaliact has the upper-hand and those who believe things will stay that way are keen to get ahead. Not everyone feels the same; the bulk of folk living in Apulian prefer to wait a little while first. After-all the Grendel controlled this entire territory a few weeks ago... so clearly the situation is fluid and can change quickly. It's best not to buy a ship 'til the wright has caulked it, more than a few Apulians say.		Almost all of Kaliact's followers are fully committed, but even beyond her immediate circle of allies, there is no shortage of orcs expressing an interest in becoming part of the League. It is clear to everyone that Kaliact has the upper-hand and those who believe things will stay that way are keen to get ahead. Not everyone feels the same; the bulk of folk living in Apulian prefer to wait a little while first. After all, the Grendel controlled this entire territory a few weeks ago... so clearly the situation is fluid and can change quickly. It's best not to buy a ship 'til the wright has caulked it, more than a few Apulians say.

	The egregores also spend a great deal of time talking to citizens of the League, weighing the fate of the Apulians as they do. A big part of this is trying to judge how welcome the orcs might be. The decision of the folk at [[Anvil]] seems clear enough, but it's not so obvious that the people of [[Sarvos]] feel the same way about the barbarians who [[The sack of Sarvos\|occupied their city]]. It's not a matter of a vote really, but the egregores are keen to talk to people about what they've seen in Spiral and what it might mean for them.		The egregores also spend a great deal of time talking to citizens of the League, weighing the fate of the Apulians as they do. A big part of this is trying to judge how welcome the orcs might be. The decision of the folk at [[Anvil]] seems clear enough, but it's not so obvious that the people of [[Sarvos]] feel the same way about the barbarians who [[The sack of Sarvos\|occupied their city]]. It's not a matter of a vote really, but the egregores are keen to talk to people about what they've seen in Spiral and what it might mean for them.
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	If the name of the territory ''is'' changed to Apulian, then it is will be taken as a clear sign by those Urizen who currently live in the territory that the door is firmly closed on any hope that the territory might some day become part of their nation again.		If the name of the territory ''is'' changed to Apulian, then it is will be taken as a clear sign by those Urizen who currently live in the territory that the door is firmly closed on any hope that the territory might some day become part of their nation again.
	<div style="float:right; width: 300px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Egregore League Jon 2.jpg\|align=right\|caption=According to the Harlequin, there are a number of Apulian Orcs eager to move to new cities, further from the border with the Broken Shore, and it is easy to see why.\|width=300}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 300px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Egregore League Jon 2.jpg\|align=right\|caption=According to the Harlequin, there are a number of Apulian Orcs eager to move to new cities, further from the border with the Broken Shore, and it is easy to see why.\|width=300}}</div>

	==The Spoils of Diplomacy==		==The Spoils of Diplomacy==
	* '''The Imperial Senate has determined that Spiral will become part of the League'''		* '''The Imperial Senate has determined that Spiral will become part of the League'''

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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	Thanks to the [[Ratify_treaty_with_Salt_Lord_Kaliact_Spring_385YE\|treaty]] between Salt Lord Kaliact and the Imperial senate, the [[Wolves of War]] have been able to [[A tide in the affairs\|take control]] of [[Spiral]] in a single season. In return for this extraordinary gift, Kaliact demanded the right for her and her supporters to join ~~the~~ [[the League]]. The [[Imperial Senate]] agreed to the treaty in principle, but the decision of whether the Apulian [[orc\|Orcs]] can join the Empire does not lie with the Senate. Legally citizenship can only be granted by an [[egregore]].		Thanks to the [[Ratify_treaty_with_Salt_Lord_Kaliact_Spring_385YE\|treaty]] between Salt Lord Kaliact and the Imperial senate, the [[Wolves of War]] have been able to [[A tide in the affairs\|take control]] of [[Spiral]] in a single season. In return for this extraordinary gift, Kaliact demanded the right for her and her supporters to join [[the League]]. The [[Imperial Senate]] agreed to the treaty in principle, but the decision of whether the Apulian [[orc\|Orcs]] can join the Empire does not lie with the Senate. Legally citizenship can only be granted by an [[egregore]].

	To see if that is possible, the League egregores, '''Harlequin''' and '''Innamorata''', have been busy talking to League citizens about the [[Grendel]], sharing what they know and considering if there really is a home for these audacious orcs in the League. They have also been talking to the Apulians themselves, all in the interest of deciding whether or not it is possible for them to join. In theory this is no different to any individual who seeks to join a nation - but with so many orcs looking to join the decision is unusually important. It seems they plan to make a final decision on the matter on Saturday during the coming summit.		To see if that is possible, the League egregores, '''Harlequin''' and '''Innamorata''', have been busy talking to League citizens about the [[Grendel]], sharing what they know and considering if there really is a home for these audacious orcs in the League. They have also been talking to the Apulians themselves, all in the interest of deciding whether or not it is possible for them to join. In theory this is no different to any individual who seeks to join a nation - but with so many orcs looking to join the decision is unusually important. It seems they plan to make a final decision on the matter on Saturday during the coming summit.

	Whatever the outcome, the Empire will have to come to some accommodation with these newest citizens. The wheels of state are turning, and the Imperial Senate will need to decide how to deal with the consequences of regaining Spiral in such an unprecedented way.		Whatever the outcome, the Empire will have to come to some accommodation with these newest citizens. The wheels of state are turning, and the Imperial Senate will need to decide how to deal with the consequences of regaining Spiral in such an unprecedented way.

	==A Question of Loyalties==		==A Question of Loyalties==
	* '''Sentiments in the League are divided, so the issue of the Apulians joining the League will be decided at this summit'''		* '''Sentiments in the League are divided, so the issue of the Apulians joining the League will be decided at this summit'''

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	The egregores also spend a great deal of time talking to citizens of the League, weighing the fate of the Apulians as they do. A big part of this is trying to judge how welcome the orcs might be. The decision of the folk at [[Anvil]] seems clear enough, but it's not so obvious that the people of [[Sarvos]] feel the same way about the barbarians who [[The sack of Sarvos\|occupied their city]]. It's not a matter of a vote really, but the egregores are keen to talk to people about what they've seen in Spiral and what it might mean for them.		The egregores also spend a great deal of time talking to citizens of the League, weighing the fate of the Apulians as they do. A big part of this is trying to judge how welcome the orcs might be. The decision of the folk at [[Anvil]] seems clear enough, but it's not so obvious that the people of [[Sarvos]] feel the same way about the barbarians who [[The sack of Sarvos\|occupied their city]]. It's not a matter of a vote really, but the egregores are keen to talk to people about what they've seen in Spiral and what it might mean for them.

	Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive. and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk ~~in to~~ any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.		Their verdict for what it's worth is that the Apulians have a lot in common with the people of the League. They're ambitious certainly, and competitive, and in that sense they fit right in. They're every bit as ruthless as the [[Temeschwar\|Temeschwari]], as demonstrated by Kaliact's willingness to renounce the Salt Lords of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Dubhtraig\|Dubhtraig]] and throw in her lot with the Empire. They don't have the same appreciation for art and fashion as the average [[Sarvos\|Sarvosan]] but they certainly match their hunger for the finer things in life. They share the [[Tassato\|Tassatan]] love of intrigue and they can be as pragmatic and ingenious as any [[Holberg\|Holberger]]. On the face of it, the Apulians could walk into any city in the League, and fit right in. Which is good - because some of them are already asking questions about moving to other cities in the League, even before they've been accepted as citizens.

	One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[Imperial Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe.it.		One problem that has been identified is that of the Grendel religion. The Apulians have asked the [[Imperial Synod]] to give them a ruling on the [[Chords\|differences between their faith and the Way]] which they hope will settle matters. It doesn't seem to occur to them that their religious beliefs might be a real problem, partly because they seem unable to comprehend that the Empire might let such things get in the way, but mostly because they don't seem unduly ''attached'' to their faith. The egregores get the distinct impression that Kaliact and her allies simply don't lose a lot of sleep worrying about whether Audacity is a real virtue or not. One rather telling conversation that the Harlequin recounts is with a Grendel who put changing their religious beliefs to join the League in the same breath as having to change some of their clothing if they join League. They wear their faith "lightly" might be the politest way to describe.it.

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	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[Chords]] - 385YE Summer Wind of Fortune posing a series of questions related to Apulian Orc faith		* [[Chords]] - 385YE Summer Wind of Fortune posing a series of questions related to Apulian Orc faith
	* [[~~TBC~~]] -		* [[The fate of the many]] - 385YE Summer Wind of Fortune about the Urizen in Spiral
	* [[A tide in the affairs]] - 385YE Wind of War detailing the "conquest" of Spiral		* [[A tide in the affairs]] - 385YE Wind of War detailing the "conquest" of Spiral