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Twiggy at 17:03, 1 April 2026

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	Tension was evident in the posture, and in the faces, of both the orcs who faced them. Both orcs bore the marks of the shaman, a pale contrast to the red paint on the women who stood opposite them.		Tension was evident in the posture, and in the faces, of both the orcs who faced them. Both orcs bore the marks of the shaman, a pale contrast to the red paint on the women who stood opposite them.

	"This is ~~out~~ second meeting," said the elder orc, after a few moments of silence.		"This is our second meeting," said the elder orc, after a few moments of silence.

	The Navarr brand inclined her head but said nothing. Her thorn companion peered past the two shaman to the group a few dozen yards away, narrowed her eyes, touched the brand's arm.		The Navarr brand inclined her head but said nothing. Her thorn companion peered past the two shaman to the group a few dozen yards away, narrowed her eyes, touched the brand's arm.

Twiggy at 01:41, 19 March 2026

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	The orcs also wish to rearm and restore their fighting strength. The nation contains the remnants of a not insignificant military force an army of strong orc warriors experienced in fighting to defend difficult, dangerous terrain. While they are in Imperial territory, however, they cannot resupply themselves naturally (but [[#A place to live\|see below]])		The orcs also wish to rearm and restore their fighting strength. The nation contains the remnants of a not insignificant military force an army of strong orc warriors experienced in fighting to defend difficult, dangerous terrain. While they are in Imperial territory, however, they cannot resupply themselves naturally (but [[#A place to live\|see below]])

	The Senate could instruct the civil service to provide them with weirwood or mithril in the same way they might perform emergency resupply for a Imperial army. The [[Quartermaster General of the Imperial Armies]] ''cannot'' perform this function, as their title only allows them to resupply ''Imperial'' armies - although the Senate could choose to expand the remit of the Quartermaster if they wished to do so with an ~~appopriately~~ worded motion.		The Senate could instruct the civil service to provide them with weirwood or mithril in the same way they might perform emergency resupply for a Imperial army. The [[Quartermaster General of the Imperial Armies]] ''cannot'' perform this function, as their title only allows them to resupply ''Imperial'' armies - although the Senate could choose to expand the remit of the Quartermaster if they wished to do so with an appropriately worded motion.

	Alternatively, any citizen could provide the orcs of the Great Forest with weirwood or mithril with which to resupply themselves. This would be entirely legal, unless the Senate chose to abrogate the decision to treat them as foreigners, and mark them as barbarians once again, in which case providing them any assistance would be treason.		Alternatively, any citizen could provide the orcs of the Great Forest with weirwood or mithril with which to resupply themselves. This would be entirely legal, unless the Senate chose to abrogate the decision to treat them as foreigners, and mark them as barbarians once again, in which case providing them any assistance would be treason.
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	Ceding a region to the Great Forest orcs would also allow them to engage in natural resupply in an otherwise Imperial territory. The orcs would not be restricted to this region - they have already expressed cautious interest in trading with the Navarr of Therunin at the very least - but it would provide a solid hub around which they could focus their settlements.		Ceding a region to the Great Forest orcs would also allow them to engage in natural resupply in an otherwise Imperial territory. The orcs would not be restricted to this region - they have already expressed cautious interest in trading with the Navarr of Therunin at the very least - but it would provide a solid hub around which they could focus their settlements.

	Even with the presence of the ~~Vallorn~~ in Sweetglades and Greenheart, this would still leave the Navarr (and thus the Empire) in control of four of the seven regions of Therunin, but if they lost even one more region then they would lose control of the [[territory]].		Even with the presence of the vallorn in Sweetglades and Greenheart, this would still leave the Navarr (and thus the Empire) in control of four of the seven regions of Therunin, but if they lost even one more region then they would lose control of the [[territory]].

	===Briar Problem===		===Briar Problem===
	There are eyewitness reports that as well as orcs, the nation is accompanied by an unknown number of humans of obvious [[briar]] [[lineage]] who are not Imperial citizens. There is a good deal of speculation that these briars may be representatives of the [[Malign spiritual presences#Anarchy\|anarchists]] of Dourfell Keep in the Barrens - descendants of the murderous heretics who attempted to claim the Barrens as an independent briar "~~kindgom~~" built on heretical principles.		There are eyewitness reports that as well as orcs, the nation is accompanied by an unknown number of humans of obvious [[briar]] [[lineage]] who are not Imperial citizens. There is a good deal of speculation that these briars may be representatives of the [[Malign spiritual presences#Anarchy\|anarchists]] of Dourfell Keep in the Barrens - descendants of the murderous heretics who attempted to claim the Barrens as an independent briar "kingdom" built on heretical principles.

	If these are representatives of that group, their legal status is slightly unclear. They are not orcs of the Barrens, so the Empire has not declared war on them. The Imperial Synod has not condemned them as heretics - possibly because nobody in the Empire has had any real, official interaction with them at all. The Great Forest orcs have so far refused to answer questions about these briars, and have given no indication as to who they are or where they have come from, nor how many there are.		If these are representatives of that group, their legal status is slightly unclear. They are not orcs of the Barrens, so the Empire has not declared war on them. The Imperial Synod has not condemned them as heretics - possibly because nobody in the Empire has had any real, official interaction with them at all. The Great Forest orcs have so far refused to answer questions about these briars, and have given no indication as to who they are or where they have come from, nor how many there are.

Twiggy at 01:54, 22 January 2026

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	===Supporting the army===		===Supporting the army===
	The Orcs of the Great Forest have an army of two thousand armed orcs, along with a number of soldiers injured fighting the Empire. They represent a standard [[~~Imperial army~~\|campaign army]] under the command of a warchief (a rank analogous to an Imperial general). The warchief answers to the chief and their council - who set the policy of the nation - but is free to act as they see fit in pursuit of the goals their leaders of set forth.		The Orcs of the Great Forest have an army of two thousand armed orcs, along with a number of soldiers injured fighting the Empire. They represent a standard [[Army\|campaign army]] under the command of a warchief (a rank analogous to an Imperial general). The warchief answers to the chief and their council - who set the policy of the nation - but is free to act as they see fit in pursuit of the goals their leaders of set forth.

	This army requires support. It can continue to support itself at its current strength until the start of the Winter Solstice, after which it will either need to find an alternate means of support or begin to disband. Supporting this army requires 50 Thrones each season. As with the previous arrangement with the orcs of the Hierro clan in Segura, the Imperial Senate may choose to pass a motion agreeing to support the army.		This army requires support. It can continue to support itself at its current strength until the start of the Winter Solstice, after which it will either need to find an alternate means of support or begin to disband. Supporting this army requires 50 Thrones each season. As with the previous arrangement with the orcs of the Hierro clan in Segura, the Imperial Senate may choose to pass a motion agreeing to support the army.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	"Ah, perhaps that would be an interesting conversation. But let us have a different conversation instead. Let us talk about what we are to do with ''each other''."</ic>		"Ah, perhaps that would be an interesting conversation. But let us have a different conversation instead. Let us talk about what we are to do with ''each other''."</ic>
	==Overview==		==Overview==
	During the Summer Solstice, the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] [[Declare peace with Orcs of the Great Forest of Peytaht\|declared]] that the [[orc\|orcs]] of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht]] were foreigners - that the Empire was no longer at war with them. A little over a month later, an army of around two thousand orcs, along with what appears to be the majority of their nation, emerged from [[the Barrens#Hope's Rest\|Hope's Rest]] into the Tarn Valley, at the invitation of the Senator for [[Therunin]], Caerwyn Summercrow.		During the Summer Solstice, the [[Senate]] [[Declare peace with Orcs of the Great Forest of Peytaht\|declared]] that the [[orc\|orcs]] of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht]] were foreigners - that the Empire was no longer at war with them. A little over a month later, an army of around two thousand orcs, along with what appears to be the majority of their nation, emerged from [[the Barrens#Hope's Rest\|Hope's Rest]] into the Tarn Valley, at the invitation of the Senator for [[Therunin]], Caerwyn Summercrow.

	The orcs are weary, and their numbers are much depleted from several seasons of fighting Imperial forces in and around [[the Barrens#Dawnguard\|Dawnguard]], but they are armed, and armoured, and alert for signs of treachery. They are met by representatives of the steadings and stridings of Therunin, and a great camp is raised in the [[Therunin#Lower Tarn Valley\|Lower Tarn Valley]].		The orcs are weary, and their numbers are much depleted from several seasons of fighting Imperial forces in and around [[the Barrens#Dawnguard\|Dawnguard]], but they are armed, and armoured, and alert for signs of treachery. They are met by representatives of the steadings and stridings of Therunin, and a great camp is raised in the [[Therunin#Lower Tarn Valley\|Lower Tarn Valley]].

Dre at 17:33, 29 December 2023

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	During the Summer Solstice, the [[Imperial Senate]] [[Declare peace with Orcs of the Great Forest of Peytaht\|declared]] that the [[orc\|orcs]] of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht]] were foreigners - that the Empire was no longer at war with them. A little over a month later, an army of around two thousand orcs, along with what appears to be the majority of their nation, emerged from [[the Barrens#Hope's Rest\|Hope's Rest]] into the Tarn Valley, at the invitation of the Senator for [[Therunin]], Caerwyn Summercrow.		During the Summer Solstice, the [[Imperial Senate]] [[Declare peace with Orcs of the Great Forest of Peytaht\|declared]] that the [[orc\|orcs]] of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht]] were foreigners - that the Empire was no longer at war with them. A little over a month later, an army of around two thousand orcs, along with what appears to be the majority of their nation, emerged from [[the Barrens#Hope's Rest\|Hope's Rest]] into the Tarn Valley, at the invitation of the Senator for [[Therunin]], Caerwyn Summercrow.

	The orcs are weary, and their numbers are much depleted from several seasons of fighting Imperial forces in and around [[the Barrens#Dawnguard\|Dawnguard]], but they are armed, and armoured, and alert for signs of treachery. They are met by representatives of the steadings and stridings of ~~Therunnin~~, and a great camp is raised in the [[Therunin#Lower Tarn Valley\|Lower Tarn Valley]].		The orcs are weary, and their numbers are much depleted from several seasons of fighting Imperial forces in and around [[the Barrens#Dawnguard\|Dawnguard]], but they are armed, and armoured, and alert for signs of treachery. They are met by representatives of the steadings and stridings of Therunin, and a great camp is raised in the [[Therunin#Lower Tarn Valley\|Lower Tarn Valley]].

	==Significance==		==Significance==
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	===Politics===		===Politics===
	{{CaptionedImage\|file=InvitationToTherunin.JPG\|align=right\|width=300}}		{{CaptionedImage\|file=InvitationToTherunin.JPG\|align=right\|width=300}}
	The Great Forest orcs are ~~lead~~ by a chief, advised by a council. The current chief is relatively young, but their council is made up of old and experienced orcs. They have been quick to make clear that they intend to maintain their own cultural identity - they have no interest in being absorbed by either the Navarr, or the Imperial orcs.		The Great Forest orcs are led by a chief, advised by a council. The current chief is relatively young, but their council is made up of old and experienced orcs. They have been quick to make clear that they intend to maintain their own cultural identity - they have no interest in being absorbed by either the Navarr, or the Imperial orcs.

	===Religion===		===Religion===

RichardRaynor at 12:09, 2 February 2022

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:380YE]][[Category:Recent History]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:380YE Autumn]][[Category:Recent History]]
	<ic>The orcs and the humans stood a little distance apart, facing each other.		<ic>The orcs and the humans stood a little distance apart, facing each other.

Hastur at 13:42, 3 May 2021

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Rafferty: /* Delegation */

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Delegation

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	===Delegation===		===Delegation===
	The Great Forest orcs have prepared a small delegation to visit Anvil and speak to the Navarr, which is expected to arrive at some point on Saturday afternoon. They seem to have little interest in the Senate - whenever the matter is brought up, the orcs mention the [[Accept_Barrens_peace_treaty\|failed peace treaty]] of Summer 379YE.		The Great Forest orcs have prepared a small delegation to visit Anvil and speak to the Navarr, which is expected to arrive at some point on Saturday afternoon. They seem to have little interest in the Senate - whenever the matter is brought up, the orcs mention the [[Accept_Barrens_peace_treaty\|failed peace treaty]] of Summer 379YE.
			==Resolution==
			Caerwyn Summer Crow provided the Great Forest orcs with 50 Thrones to help them supply themselves, but they are still living in makeshift camps in the Lower Tarn Valley. Their situation is not yet desperate, but they are keen to see a resolution to their request for land to call their own.

Rafferty: /* Briar Problem */

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Briar Problem

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	===Briar Problem===		===Briar Problem===
	There are eyewitness reports that as well as orcs, the Great Forest tribe is accompanied by an unknown number of humans of obvious [[briar]] [[lineage]] who are not Imperial citizens. There is a good deal of speculation that these briars may be representatives of the [[Malign spiritual ~~preseces~~#Anarchy\|anarchists]] of Dourfell Keep in the Barrens - descendants of the murderous heretics who attempted to claim the Barrens as an independent briar "kindgom" built on heretical principles.		There are eyewitness reports that as well as orcs, the Great Forest tribe is accompanied by an unknown number of humans of obvious [[briar]] [[lineage]] who are not Imperial citizens. There is a good deal of speculation that these briars may be representatives of the [[Malign spiritual presences#Anarchy\|anarchists]] of Dourfell Keep in the Barrens - descendants of the murderous heretics who attempted to claim the Barrens as an independent briar "kindgom" built on heretical principles.

	If these are representatives of that group, their legal status is slightly unclear. They are not orcs of the Barrens, so the Empire has not declared war on them. The Imperial Synod has not condemned them as heretics - possibly because nobody in the Empire has had any real, official interaction with them at all. The Great Forest orcs have so far refused to answer questions about these briars, and have given no indication as to who they are or where they have come from, nor how many there are.		If these are representatives of that group, their legal status is slightly unclear. They are not orcs of the Barrens, so the Empire has not declared war on them. The Imperial Synod has not condemned them as heretics - possibly because nobody in the Empire has had any real, official interaction with them at all. The Great Forest orcs have so far refused to answer questions about these briars, and have given no indication as to who they are or where they have come from, nor how many there are.

Rafferty at 13:36, 4 October 2016

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			[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:380YE]][[Category:Recent History]]
	<ic>The orcs and the humans stood a little distance apart, facing each other.		<ic>The orcs and the humans stood a little distance apart, facing each other.

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	"Ah, perhaps that would be an interesting conversation. But let us have a different conversation instead. Let us talk about what we are to do with ''each other''."</ic>		"Ah, perhaps that would be an interesting conversation. But let us have a different conversation instead. Let us talk about what we are to do with ''each other''."</ic>
	==Overview==		==Overview==
	During the Summer Solstice, the [[Imperial Senate]] [[Declare peace with Orcs of the Great Forest of Peytaht\|declared]] that the [[orc\|orcs]] of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht]] were foreigners - that the Empire was no longer at war with them. A little over a month later, an army of around two thousand orcs, along with what appears to be the majority of their ~~tribe~~, emerged from [[the Barrens#Hope's Rest\|Hope's Rest]] into the Tarn Valley, at the invitation of the Senator for [[Therunin]], Caerwyn Summercrow.		During the Summer Solstice, the [[Imperial Senate]] [[Declare peace with Orcs of the Great Forest of Peytaht\|declared]] that the [[orc\|orcs]] of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht]] were foreigners - that the Empire was no longer at war with them. A little over a month later, an army of around two thousand orcs, along with what appears to be the majority of their nation, emerged from [[the Barrens#Hope's Rest\|Hope's Rest]] into the Tarn Valley, at the invitation of the Senator for [[Therunin]], Caerwyn Summercrow.

	The orcs are weary, and their numbers are much depleted from several seasons of fighting Imperial forces in and around [[the Barrens#Dawnguard\|Dawnguard]], but they are armed, and armoured, and alert for signs of treachery. They are met by representatives of the steadings and stridings of Therunnin, and a great camp is raised in the [[Therunin#Lower Tarn Valley\|Lower Tarn Valley]].		The orcs are weary, and their numbers are much depleted from several seasons of fighting Imperial forces in and around [[the Barrens#Dawnguard\|Dawnguard]], but they are armed, and armoured, and alert for signs of treachery. They are met by representatives of the steadings and stridings of Therunnin, and a great camp is raised in the [[Therunin#Lower Tarn Valley\|Lower Tarn Valley]].
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	===Religion===		===Religion===
	The orcs of the Great Forest have their own faith, and have so far politely - but firmly - rebuffed attempts by Therunin guides to engage them in religious discussion. They are disinterested in the Way, and likewise not interested in talking about their faith with outsiders while their status is still somewhat unclear. At this time, there is no opportunity for the Imperial Synod to send effective missionaries among the Great Forest ~~orc tribe~~.		The orcs of the Great Forest have their own faith, and have so far politely - but firmly - rebuffed attempts by Therunin guides to engage them in religious discussion. They are disinterested in the Way, and likewise not interested in talking about their faith with outsiders while their status is still somewhat unclear. At this time, there is no opportunity for the Imperial Synod to send effective missionaries among the Great Forest orcs.

	===Supporting the army===		===Supporting the army===
	The ~~Tribe~~ of the Great Forest have an army of two thousand armed orcs, along with a number of soldiers injured fighting the Empire. They represent a standard [[Imperial army\|campaign army]] under the command of a warchief (a rank analogous to an Imperial general). The warchief answers to the chief and their council - who set the policy of the ~~tribe~~ - but is free to act as they see fit in pursuit of the goals ~~the~~ leaders of ~~the tribe~~ set forth.		The Orcs of the Great Forest have an army of two thousand armed orcs, along with a number of soldiers injured fighting the Empire. They represent a standard [[Imperial army\|campaign army]] under the command of a warchief (a rank analogous to an Imperial general). The warchief answers to the chief and their council - who set the policy of the nation - but is free to act as they see fit in pursuit of the goals their leaders of set forth.

	This army requires support. It can continue to support itself at its current strength until the start of the Winter Solstice, after which it will either need to find an alternate means of support or begin to disband. Supporting this army requires 50 Thrones each season. As with the previous arrangement with the orcs of the Hierro clan in Segura, the Imperial Senate may choose to pass a motion agreeing to support the army.		This army requires support. It can continue to support itself at its current strength until the start of the Winter Solstice, after which it will either need to find an alternate means of support or begin to disband. Supporting this army requires 50 Thrones each season. As with the previous arrangement with the orcs of the Hierro clan in Segura, the Imperial Senate may choose to pass a motion agreeing to support the army.

	The orcs also wish to rearm and restore their fighting strength. The ~~tribe~~ contains the remnants of a not insignificant military force an army of strong orc warriors experienced in fighting to defend difficult, dangerous terrain. While they are in Imperial territory, however, they cannot resupply themselves naturally (but [[#A place to live\|see below]])		The orcs also wish to rearm and restore their fighting strength. The nation contains the remnants of a not insignificant military force an army of strong orc warriors experienced in fighting to defend difficult, dangerous terrain. While they are in Imperial territory, however, they cannot resupply themselves naturally (but [[#A place to live\|see below]])

	The Senate could instruct the civil service to provide them with weirwood or mithril in the same way they might perform emergency resupply for a Imperial army. The [[Quartermaster General of the Imperial Armies]] ''cannot'' perform this function, as their title only allows them to resupply ''Imperial'' armies - although the Senate could choose to expand the remit of the Quartermaster if they wished to do so with an appopriately worded motion.		The Senate could instruct the civil service to provide them with weirwood or mithril in the same way they might perform emergency resupply for a Imperial army. The [[Quartermaster General of the Imperial Armies]] ''cannot'' perform this function, as their title only allows them to resupply ''Imperial'' armies - although the Senate could choose to expand the remit of the Quartermaster if they wished to do so with an appopriately worded motion.

	Alternatively, any citizen could provide the orcs of the Great Forest ~~tribe~~ with weirwood or mithril with which to resupply themselves. This would be entirely legal, unless the Senate chose to abrogate the decision to treat them as foreigners, and mark them as barbarians once again, in which case providing them any assistance would be treason.		Alternatively, any citizen could provide the orcs of the Great Forest with weirwood or mithril with which to resupply themselves. This would be entirely legal, unless the Senate chose to abrogate the decision to treat them as foreigners, and mark them as barbarians once again, in which case providing them any assistance would be treason.

	The warchief has already made clear that for the moment the army will focus on protecting ~~its tribe~~ and, while it would fight alongside the Navarr in defence of the territory in the event of a Druj invasion of Therunin, the orcs are not prepared to commit to any other military action at this time.		The warchief has already made clear that for the moment the army will focus on protecting the nation and, while it would fight alongside the Navarr in defence of the territory in the event of a Druj invasion of Therunin, the orcs are not prepared to commit to any other military action at this time.

	For the moment, no Imperial citizen can support the orcs of the Great Forest with [[military unit\|personal forces]], and even were the orcs to permit such an action those soldiers would not be eligible for the guerdon unless the Empire specifically extended it to include them.		For the moment, no Imperial citizen can support the orcs of the Great Forest with [[military unit\|personal forces]], and even were the orcs to permit such an action those soldiers would not be eligible for the guerdon unless the Empire specifically extended it to include them.
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	===Briar Problem===		===Briar Problem===
	There are eyewitness reports that as well as orcs, the ~~Great Forest tribe~~ is accompanied by an unknown number of humans of obvious [[briar]] [[lineage]] who are not Imperial citizens. There is a good deal of speculation that these briars may be representatives of the [[Malign spiritual presences#Anarchy\|anarchists]] of Dourfell Keep in the Barrens - descendants of the murderous heretics who attempted to claim the Barrens as an independent briar "kindgom" built on heretical principles.		There are eyewitness reports that as well as orcs, the nation is accompanied by an unknown number of humans of obvious [[briar]] [[lineage]] who are not Imperial citizens. There is a good deal of speculation that these briars may be representatives of the [[Malign spiritual presences#Anarchy\|anarchists]] of Dourfell Keep in the Barrens - descendants of the murderous heretics who attempted to claim the Barrens as an independent briar "kindgom" built on heretical principles.

	If these are representatives of that group, their legal status is slightly unclear. They are not orcs of the Barrens, so the Empire has not declared war on them. The Imperial Synod has not condemned them as heretics - possibly because nobody in the Empire has had any real, official interaction with them at all. The Great Forest orcs have so far refused to answer questions about these briars, and have given no indication as to who they are or where they have come from, nor how many there are.		If these are representatives of that group, their legal status is slightly unclear. They are not orcs of the Barrens, so the Empire has not declared war on them. The Imperial Synod has not condemned them as heretics - possibly because nobody in the Empire has had any real, official interaction with them at all. The Great Forest orcs have so far refused to answer questions about these briars, and have given no indication as to who they are or where they have come from, nor how many there are.