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	Weighed against that are the wishes of the Empress. According to those who were with her during the retreat from [[Holberg]], she refused the honour of being interred in the Necropolis and insisted on being entombed in her beloved League alongside her husband. She was laid to rest in the Alivetti estates (a mere two years before they were ravaged by the storm that sank [[Caricomare]]) in a marble tomb that has now been effectively destroyed by the Grendel.		Weighed against that are the wishes of the Empress. According to those who were with her during the retreat from [[Holberg]], she refused the honour of being interred in the Necropolis and insisted on being entombed in her beloved League alongside her husband. She was laid to rest in the Alivetti estates (a mere two years before they were ravaged by the storm that sank [[Caricomare]]) in a marble tomb that has now been effectively destroyed by the Grendel.

	Several Highborn [[Highguard_religious_beliefs#Stewards_of_the_dead\|Stewards of the Dead]] have raised serious concerns about the ability of the Empire to protect a tomb built in Sarvos - they argue that the Grendel have shown they can strike at the city with impunity. To re-inter Giselle in Sarvos would be an attack on Imperial [[Wisdom]] and [[Vigilance]]. Only in the Necropolis can the tomb be properly protected (not least because the cliffs south of the Necropolis provide no access to [[~~Imperial~~ navy\|naval]] forces.) In response, a group of League [[bishop\|bishops]] led by the influential Bishop Jago Heshel di Temeschwar of the Church of the Golden Orator in [[Temeschwar]] has denounced attempts to move Giselle out of the League - in violation of her stated wishes - as an unforgivable attack on the [[Pride]] of that nation. A band of Marcher [[Monasteries\|abbots]] have penned a series of strongly worded letters to the Senators of both Highguard ''and'' the League suggesting that regardless of where Empress Giselle turns up, it might not be a bad idea to start [[fortification\|fortifying]] the coast of the Bay of Catazar given the Grendel appear to be able to attack wherever they want without repercussion.		Several Highborn [[Highguard_religious_beliefs#Stewards_of_the_dead\|Stewards of the Dead]] have raised serious concerns about the ability of the Empire to protect a tomb built in Sarvos - they argue that the Grendel have shown they can strike at the city with impunity. To re-inter Giselle in Sarvos would be an attack on Imperial [[Wisdom]] and [[Vigilance]]. Only in the Necropolis can the tomb be properly protected (not least because the cliffs south of the Necropolis provide no access to [[navy\|naval]] forces.) In response, a group of League [[bishop\|bishops]] led by the influential Bishop Jago Heshel di Temeschwar of the Church of the Golden Orator in [[Temeschwar]] has denounced attempts to move Giselle out of the League - in violation of her stated wishes - as an unforgivable attack on the [[Pride]] of that nation. A band of Marcher [[Monasteries\|abbots]] have penned a series of strongly worded letters to the Senators of both Highguard ''and'' the League suggesting that regardless of where Empress Giselle turns up, it might not be a bad idea to start [[fortification\|fortifying]] the coast of the Bay of Catazar given the Grendel appear to be able to attack wherever they want without repercussion.

	Regardless, the final resting place of Empress Giselle is of great interest not only as a political hot potato, but as a matter of deep concern to patriotic followers of the Way across the Empire.		Regardless, the final resting place of Empress Giselle is of great interest not only as a political hot potato, but as a matter of deep concern to patriotic followers of the Way across the Empire.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	===The Judgement of the Senate===		===The Judgement of the Senate===
	The final decision about where Empress Giselle should be laid to rest is up to the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]].		The final decision about where Empress Giselle should be laid to rest is up to the [[Senate]].

	If they choose to honour tradition and say that she will be interred in the Necropolis, this will reassure the Highborn that their role as protectors of the Imperial dead is still recognised by the rest of the Empire.		If they choose to honour tradition and say that she will be interred in the Necropolis, this will reassure the Highborn that their role as protectors of the Imperial dead is still recognised by the rest of the Empire.

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	If the tomb is built with 20 wains the bonus will last for two seasons; if built with 40 wains the bonus will last for a year; if built with 80 wains, construction will take six months but the bonus will last for two years; and if built with 160 wains, construction will take nine months but the bonus will last for four years. In each case, the bonus will apply from the point where the tomb's construction is completed.		If the tomb is built with 20 wains the bonus will last for two seasons; if built with 40 wains the bonus will last for a year; if built with 80 wains, construction will take six months but the bonus will last for two years; and if built with 160 wains, construction will take nine months but the bonus will last for four years. In each case, the bonus will apply from the point where the tomb's construction is completed.

	Regardless, a more prestigious tomb will not increase the number of votes or liao delivered, and any bonuses will last only as long as the tomb of Empress Giselle remains intact, ~~umolested~~, and uncontested.		Regardless, a more prestigious tomb will not increase the number of votes or liao delivered, and any bonuses will last only as long as the tomb of Empress Giselle remains intact, untouched, and uncontested.

	===The fate of Teodore von Mestra===		===The fate of Teodore von Mestra===

Twiggy at 15:10, 21 August 2025

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	There is some uncertainty as to precisely what happened next, but the Unconquered band who had recovered Giselle's remains left Anvil heading east toward [[Necropolis#The Necropolis\|necropolis]]. Contradictory instructions were issued, and confusion reigned. Some citizens of the League demanded the return of Empress Giselle, while some Highborn seemed certain that the Empress' remains should be re-interred in a suitable tomb in the Necropolis.		There is some uncertainty as to precisely what happened next, but the Unconquered band who had recovered Giselle's remains left Anvil heading east toward [[Necropolis#The Necropolis\|necropolis]]. Contradictory instructions were issued, and confusion reigned. Some citizens of the League demanded the return of Empress Giselle, while some Highborn seemed certain that the Empress' remains should be re-interred in a suitable tomb in the Necropolis.

	The Unconquered themselves were intercepted by magistrates just outside of [[Necropolis#Sybella\|Sybella]] and the coffin impounded until a clear decision could be given as to where the dead Empress' remains belong. Investigation has determined that while there are several word-of-mouth reports that Empress Giselle declined the honour of being interred in the Necropolis, there is no actual written or magistrate-witnessed evidence to support these claims. Sufficient doubt is cast that the matter remains in contention. As a consequence, the decision lies with the Senate; not least because they will need to ~~authorize~~ the construction of a suitable tomb to house the remains.		The Unconquered themselves were intercepted by magistrates just outside of [[Necropolis#Sybella\|Sybella]] and the coffin impounded until a clear decision could be given as to where the dead Empress' remains belong. Investigation has determined that while there are several word-of-mouth reports that Empress Giselle declined the honour of being interred in the Necropolis, there is no actual written or magistrate-witnessed evidence to support these claims. Sufficient doubt is cast that the matter remains in contention. As a consequence, the decision lies with the Senate; not least because they will need to authorise the construction of a suitable tomb to house the remains.

	==Significance==		==Significance==

Dre at 18:06, 29 December 2023

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	Weighed against that are the wishes of the Empress. According to those who were with her during the retreat from [[Holberg]], she refused the honour of being interred in the Necropolis and insisted on being entombed in her beloved League alongside her husband. She was laid to rest in the Alivetti estates (a mere two years before they were ravaged by the storm that sank [[Caricomare]]) in a marble tomb that has now been effectively destroyed by the Grendel.		Weighed against that are the wishes of the Empress. According to those who were with her during the retreat from [[Holberg]], she refused the honour of being interred in the Necropolis and insisted on being entombed in her beloved League alongside her husband. She was laid to rest in the Alivetti estates (a mere two years before they were ravaged by the storm that sank [[Caricomare]]) in a marble tomb that has now been effectively destroyed by the Grendel.

	Several Highborn [[Highguard_religious_beliefs#Stewards_of_the_dead\|Stewards of the Dead]] have raised serious concerns about the ability of the Empire to protect a tomb built in Sarvos - they argue that the Grendel have shown they can strike at the city with impunity. To re-inter Giselle in Sarvos would be an attack on Imperial [[Wisdom]] and [[Vigilance]]. Only in the Necropolis can the tomb be properly protected (not least because the cliffs south of the Necropolis provide no access to [[Imperial navy\|naval]] forces.) In response, a group of League [[bishop\|bishops]] ~~lead~~ by the influential Bishop Jago Heshel di Temeschwar of the Church of the Golden Orator in [[Temeschwar]] has denounced attempts to move Giselle out of the League - in violation of her stated wishes - as an unforgivable attack on the [[Pride]] of that nation. A band of Marcher [[Monasteries\|abbots]] have penned a series of strongly worded letters to the Senators of both Highguard ''and'' the League suggesting that regardless of where Empress Giselle turns up, it might not be a bad idea to start [[fortification\|fortifying]] the coast of the Bay of Catazar given the Grendel appear to be able to attack wherever they want without repercussion.		Several Highborn [[Highguard_religious_beliefs#Stewards_of_the_dead\|Stewards of the Dead]] have raised serious concerns about the ability of the Empire to protect a tomb built in Sarvos - they argue that the Grendel have shown they can strike at the city with impunity. To re-inter Giselle in Sarvos would be an attack on Imperial [[Wisdom]] and [[Vigilance]]. Only in the Necropolis can the tomb be properly protected (not least because the cliffs south of the Necropolis provide no access to [[Imperial navy\|naval]] forces.) In response, a group of League [[bishop\|bishops]] led by the influential Bishop Jago Heshel di Temeschwar of the Church of the Golden Orator in [[Temeschwar]] has denounced attempts to move Giselle out of the League - in violation of her stated wishes - as an unforgivable attack on the [[Pride]] of that nation. A band of Marcher [[Monasteries\|abbots]] have penned a series of strongly worded letters to the Senators of both Highguard ''and'' the League suggesting that regardless of where Empress Giselle turns up, it might not be a bad idea to start [[fortification\|fortifying]] the coast of the Bay of Catazar given the Grendel appear to be able to attack wherever they want without repercussion.

	Regardless, the final resting place of Empress Giselle is of great interest not only as a political hot potato, but as a matter of deep concern to patriotic followers of the Way across the Empire.		Regardless, the final resting place of Empress Giselle is of great interest not only as a political hot potato, but as a matter of deep concern to patriotic followers of the Way across the Empire.

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:380YE]][[Category:Recent History]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:380YE Summer]][[Category:Recent History]]
	<ic>Hugh sat down next to his old friend Isolde, a plate of food in either hand. Hardly a fair payment for the time of the woman who had once been the best advocate in Weirwater, but Isolde was retired now and this was mate's rates anyway. And besides the Fatted Pig was not a cheap inn.		<ic>Hugh sat down next to his old friend Isolde, a plate of food in either hand. Hardly a fair payment for the time of the woman who had once been the best advocate in Weirwater, but Isolde was retired now and this was mate's rates anyway. And besides the Fatted Pig was not a cheap inn.

Rafferty: /* The fate of Tedoroe von Mestra */

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The fate of Tedoroe von Mestra

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	Regardless, a more prestigious tomb will not increase the number of votes or liao delivered, and any bonuses will last only as long as the tomb of Empress Giselle remains intact, umolested, and uncontested.		Regardless, a more prestigious tomb will not increase the number of votes or liao delivered, and any bonuses will last only as long as the tomb of Empress Giselle remains intact, umolested, and uncontested.

	===The fate of ~~Tedoroe~~ von Mestra===		===The fate of Teodore von Mestra===
	The body of Empress Giselle's husband Teodore von Mestra, was not recovered by the Unconquered. His sarcophagus was discovered to have been torn apart (presumably by Grendel orcs), and the contents stolen along with a number of other valuable goods precious to that Imperial household. Why the Grendel would take Teodore's body (rather than simply stripping it of valuables) is unknown - speculation suggests they may have mistaken it for the body of Empress Giselle but this explanation is tenuous at best.		The body of Empress Giselle's husband Teodore von Mestra, was not recovered by the Unconquered. His sarcophagus was discovered to have been torn apart (presumably by Grendel orcs), and the contents stolen along with a number of other valuable goods precious to that Imperial household. Why the Grendel would take Teodore's body (rather than simply stripping it of valuables) is unknown - speculation suggests they may have mistaken it for the body of Empress Giselle but this explanation is tenuous at best.

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	During the Summer Solstice, the Senate issued no instructions regarding the disposition of the body of Empress Giselle. However, shortly after the end of the Solstice a delegation of respected magistrates accompanied by a discreet coven of diviners visited the cellar where the body is being kept, and apparently engaged in an extensive examination of the remains.		During the Summer Solstice, the Senate issued no instructions regarding the disposition of the body of Empress Giselle. However, shortly after the end of the Solstice a delegation of respected magistrates accompanied by a discreet coven of diviners visited the cellar where the body is being kept, and apparently engaged in an extensive examination of the remains.

	Shortly before the Spring Equinox 381YE, work was completed on [[~~Temeschwar~~#~~The_Tomb_of_Empress_Giselle_~~.~~28.22Virtues_Respite.22.29~~\|Virtue's Respite]], a new tomb, in the League city of [[Temeschwar]]. Empress Giselle has now been re-interred in the northernmost city of the League.		Shortly before the Spring Equinox 381YE, work was completed on [[Guardian_of_Giselle%27s_Tomb#Virtue.27s_Respite\|Virtue's Respite]], a new tomb, in the League city of [[Temeschwar]]. Empress Giselle has now been re-interred in the northernmost city of the League.

Dre at 12:34, 11 September 2017

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	Weighed against that are the wishes of the Empress. According to those who were with her during the retreat from [[Holberg]], she refused the honour of being interred in the Necropolis and insisted on being entombed in her beloved League alongside her husband. She was laid to rest in the Alivetti estates (a mere two years before they were ravaged by the storm that sank [[Caricomare]]) in a marble tomb that has now been effectively destroyed by the Grendel.		Weighed against that are the wishes of the Empress. According to those who were with her during the retreat from [[Holberg]], she refused the honour of being interred in the Necropolis and insisted on being entombed in her beloved League alongside her husband. She was laid to rest in the Alivetti estates (a mere two years before they were ravaged by the storm that sank [[Caricomare]]) in a marble tomb that has now been effectively destroyed by the Grendel.

	Several Highborn [[Highguard_religious_beliefs#Stewards_of_the_dead\|Stewards of the Dead]] have raised serious concerns about the ability of the Empire to protect a tomb built in Sarvos - they argue that the Grendel have shown they can strike at the city with impunity. To ~~reinterr~~ Giselle in Sarvos would be an attack on Imperial [[Wisdom]] and [[Vigilance]]. Only in the Necropolis can the tomb be properly protected (not least because the cliffs south of the Necropolis provide no access to [[Imperial navy\|naval]] forces.) In response, a group of League [[bishop\|bishops]] lead by the influential Bishop Jago Heshel di Temeschwar of the Church of the Golden Orator in [[Temeschwar]] has denounced attempts to move Giselle out of the League - in violation of her stated wishes - as an unforgivable attack on the [[Pride]] of that nation. A band of Marcher [[Monasteries\|~~abbotts~~]] have penned a series of strongly worded letters to the Senators of both Highguard ''and'' the League suggesting that regardless of where Empress Giselle turns up, it might not be a bad idea to ~~stary~~ [[fortification\|fortifying]] the coast of the Bay of ~~Catazaar~~ given the Grendel appear to be able to attack wherever they want without repercussion.		Several Highborn [[Highguard_religious_beliefs#Stewards_of_the_dead\|Stewards of the Dead]] have raised serious concerns about the ability of the Empire to protect a tomb built in Sarvos - they argue that the Grendel have shown they can strike at the city with impunity. To re-inter Giselle in Sarvos would be an attack on Imperial [[Wisdom]] and [[Vigilance]]. Only in the Necropolis can the tomb be properly protected (not least because the cliffs south of the Necropolis provide no access to [[Imperial navy\|naval]] forces.) In response, a group of League [[bishop\|bishops]] lead by the influential Bishop Jago Heshel di Temeschwar of the Church of the Golden Orator in [[Temeschwar]] has denounced attempts to move Giselle out of the League - in violation of her stated wishes - as an unforgivable attack on the [[Pride]] of that nation. A band of Marcher [[Monasteries\|abbots]] have penned a series of strongly worded letters to the Senators of both Highguard ''and'' the League suggesting that regardless of where Empress Giselle turns up, it might not be a bad idea to start [[fortification\|fortifying]] the coast of the Bay of Catazar given the Grendel appear to be able to attack wherever they want without repercussion.

	Regardless, the final resting place of Empress Giselle is of great interest not only as a political hot potato, but as a matter of deep concern to patriotic followers of the Way across the Empire.		Regardless, the final resting place of Empress Giselle is of great interest not only as a political hot potato, but as a matter of deep concern to patriotic followers of the Way across the Empire.
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	If they choose to honour tradition and say that she will be interred in the Necropolis, this will reassure the Highborn that their role as protectors of the Imperial dead is still recognised by the rest of the Empire.		If they choose to honour tradition and say that she will be interred in the Necropolis, this will reassure the Highborn that their role as protectors of the Imperial dead is still recognised by the rest of the Empire.

	Alternatively, if they choose to ~~interr~~ Giselle in a League city (whether in Sarvos, or a different [[territory]]) this will salve the injured pride of the League, still smarting from their losses at the hands of the Grendel.		Alternatively, if they choose to inter Giselle in a League city (whether in Sarvos, or a different [[territory]]) this will salve the injured pride of the League, still smarting from their losses at the hands of the Grendel.

	Regardless of the decision, Giselle will require a new vault. The motion to decree the new resting place for the Empress, will automatically include the commission of a vault to house the remains. A suitable tomb will require a minimum of ten wains of white granite and twenty crowns and will automatically create an Imperial title responsible for protecting the tomb. The title will receive 10 votes and 5 liao, and should be appointed through the Imperial Synod. As a result the motion ''will'' count against the twelve commissions available to the Empire each season.		Regardless of the decision, Giselle will require a new vault. The motion to decree the new resting place for the Empress, will automatically include the commission of a vault to house the remains. A suitable tomb will require a minimum of ten wains of white granite and twenty crowns and will automatically create an Imperial title responsible for protecting the tomb. The title will receive 10 votes and 5 liao, and should be appointed through the Imperial Synod. As a result the motion ''will'' count against the twelve commissions available to the Empire each season.
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	During the Summer Solstice, the Senate issued no instructions regarding the disposition of the body of Empress Giselle. However, shortly after the end of the Solstice a delegation of respected magistrates accompanied by a discreet coven of diviners visited the cellar where the body is being kept, and apparently engaged in an extensive examination of the remains.		During the Summer Solstice, the Senate issued no instructions regarding the disposition of the body of Empress Giselle. However, shortly after the end of the Solstice a delegation of respected magistrates accompanied by a discreet coven of diviners visited the cellar where the body is being kept, and apparently engaged in an extensive examination of the remains.

	Shortly before the Spring Equinox 381YE, work was completed on [[Temeschwar#The_Tomb_of_Empress_Giselle_.28.22Virtues_Respite.22.29\|Virtue's Respite]], a new tomb, in the League city of [[Temeschwar]]. Empress Giselle has now been ~~reinterred~~ in the northernmost city of the League.		Shortly before the Spring Equinox 381YE, work was completed on [[Temeschwar#The_Tomb_of_Empress_Giselle_.28.22Virtues_Respite.22.29\|Virtue's Respite]], a new tomb, in the League city of [[Temeschwar]]. Empress Giselle has now been re-interred in the northernmost city of the League.

Rafferty: /* Resolution */

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Resolution

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	During the Summer Solstice, the Senate issued no instructions regarding the disposition of the body of Empress Giselle. However, shortly after the end of the Solstice a delegation of respected magistrates accompanied by a discreet coven of diviners visited the cellar where the body is being kept, and apparently engaged in an extensive examination of the remains.		During the Summer Solstice, the Senate issued no instructions regarding the disposition of the body of Empress Giselle. However, shortly after the end of the Solstice a delegation of respected magistrates accompanied by a discreet coven of diviners visited the cellar where the body is being kept, and apparently engaged in an extensive examination of the remains.

	~~The situation~~ has ~~not otherwise changed, and~~ the ~~information here may be used to seek a resolution during~~ the ~~Autumn Equinox~~.		Shortly before the Spring Equinox 381YE, work was completed on [[Temeschwar#The_Tomb_of_Empress_Giselle_.28.22Virtues_Respite.22.29\|Virtue's Respite]], a new tomb, in the League city of [[Temeschwar]]. Empress Giselle has now been reinterred in the northernmost city of the League.