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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

2026-01-15T22:07:44Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

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	For some time now the Marchers have been marching steadily towards embracing the [[Mournwold Orcs]], the former [[Jotun]] thralls who still occupy some of the best land in the [[Mournwold\|territory]]. There were clear similarities between them and their neighbours: a shared appreciation of a hard day's graft, a deep-seated love of the land, a refusal to put on airs and graces. There were problems however, deep theological problems. The Mournwold Orcs believe they reincarnate which flatly contradicts [[The Doctrines of the Faith\|Doctrine]] (although, admittedly, slightly less than it used to). Attempts to resolve this problem made no progress, but at the recent summit, the priests of the Marcher Assembly crossed the rubicon and said to hell with it - these people are Marcher - we'll deal with Doctrine later.		For some time now the Marchers have been marching steadily towards embracing the [[Mournwold Orcs]], the former [[Jotun]] thralls who still occupy some of the best land in the [[Mournwold\|territory]]. There were clear similarities between them and their neighbours: a shared appreciation of a hard day's graft, a deep-seated love of the land, a refusal to put on airs and graces. There were problems however, deep theological problems. The Mournwold Orcs believe they reincarnate which flatly contradicts [[The Doctrines of the Faith\|Doctrine]] (although, admittedly, slightly less than it used to). Attempts to resolve this problem made no progress, but at the recent summit, the priests of the Marcher Assembly crossed the rubicon and said to hell with it - these people are Marcher - we'll deal with Doctrine later.

	It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".		It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".
	{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to aid us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to aid us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}

Emmanovi: /* Nightsoil in the Fields */ capitalisation & mandate wording

2024-04-24T09:24:35Z

Nightsoil in the Fields: capitalisation & mandate wording

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	'''Aemon''' has offered an alternate mandate, using the [[Rings_and_crowns#Kinship_and_Greatness\|Partner of Greatness]] power, to the Highguard National Assembly.		'''Aemon''' has offered an alternate mandate, using the [[Rings_and_crowns#Kinship_and_Greatness\|Partner of Greatness]] power, to the Highguard National Assembly.

	{{Mandate\|mandate=The Virtuous raise up their fellows and seek out the poison in their neighbours field before it blights your own. We are one empire and one people, ~~The~~ way of virtue is for the of Enlightenment of all. As such being elder siblings of ~~The~~ faith we send priest 25 liao to encourage the Grey ~~pilgrims~~ to talk to the Marcher orcs and question them and in Loyalty aid them in facing the hard truths that there is no reincarnation of the Orcish Soul\|assembly=Highborn National Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The Virtuous raise up their fellows and seek out the poison in their neighbours field before it blights your own. We are one empire and one people, the way of virtue is for the Enlightenment of all. As such being elder siblings of the faith we send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to encourage the Grey Pilgrims to talk to the Marcher orcs and question them and in Loyalty aid them in facing the hard truths that there is no reincarnation of the Orcish Soul.\|assembly=Highborn National Assembly}}

	If this mandate is enacted, the grey pilgrims will speak to the Marcher orcs. The grey pilgrims will be forced to accept the hard truth that the Marcher orcs will not give up their belief in reincarnation.		If this mandate is enacted, the grey pilgrims will speak to the Marcher orcs. The grey pilgrims will be forced to accept the hard truth that the Marcher orcs will not give up their belief in reincarnation.

Hailmur: /* Nightsoil in the Fields */

2024-04-24T09:09:06Z

Nightsoil in the Fields

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	If this mandate is passed, the Imperial Orcs Assembly makes it clear that on matters of orc souls, their human peers should defer to them. It acknowledges that the Marcher Orcs have different beliefs to the Imperial Orcs, but commits to trying to find a middle ground. In the short term, Imperial Orcs preachers will visit the Mournwold orcs to debate and discuss their shared understanding of virtue, and their differing stance on what happens after one dies. In the long term, if anyone tries to denounce the Marcher orcs as heretics, the Imperial Orcs would step in.		If this mandate is passed, the Imperial Orcs Assembly makes it clear that on matters of orc souls, their human peers should defer to them. It acknowledges that the Marcher Orcs have different beliefs to the Imperial Orcs, but commits to trying to find a middle ground. In the short term, Imperial Orcs preachers will visit the Mournwold orcs to debate and discuss their shared understanding of virtue, and their differing stance on what happens after one dies. In the long term, if anyone tries to denounce the Marcher orcs as heretics, the Imperial Orcs would step in.

	There's not much chance the Marcher Orcs will give up their belief in reincarnation, for all the reasons already mentioned. Doing that would require accepting that millions of their ancestors were mistaken, and passed on those mistakes to their children, and have been devoured by the Howling Abyss. These orcs know their belief is correct, and won't abandon it in the foreseeable future no matter how many preachers or friars come to debate the Howling Abyss with them. What they ''will'' do is embrace the virtues as enthusiastically as any other Marcher, strive to live their lives to the full, take Pride in small things, and be Loyal to great things.		There's not much chance the Marcher Orcs will give up their belief in reincarnation, for all the reasons already mentioned. Doing that would require accepting that millions of their ancestors were mistaken, and passed on those mistakes to their children, and have been devoured by the Howling Abyss. These orcs know their belief is correct, and won't abandon it in the foreseeable future no matter how many preachers or friars come to debate the Howling Abyss with them. What they ''will'' do is embrace the virtues as enthusiastically as any other Marcher, strive to live their lives to the full, take Pride in small things, and be Loyal to great things.

			'''Aemon''' has offered an alternate mandate, using the [[Rings_and_crowns#Kinship_and_Greatness\|Partner of Greatness]] power, to the Highguard National Assembly.

			{{Mandate\|mandate=The Virtuous raise up their fellows and seek out the poison in their neighbours field before it blights your own. We are one empire and one people, The way of virtue is for the of Enlightenment of all. As such being elder siblings of The faith we send priest 25 liao to encourage the Grey pilgrims to talk to the Marcher orcs and question them and in Loyalty aid them in facing the hard truths that there is no reincarnation of the Orcish Soul\|assembly=Highborn National Assembly}}

			If this mandate is enacted, the grey pilgrims will speak to the Marcher orcs. The grey pilgrims will be forced to accept the hard truth that the Marcher orcs will not give up their belief in reincarnation.

	<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">The reward for a good job is more work.</quote></div>		<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">The reward for a good job is more work.</quote></div>

	==The Black Canal==		==The Black Canal==
	* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''		* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''

Novemberalice at 07:23, 23 April 2024

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	The Chalkdown Navigators were gathered round their new star player Proudly celebrating their first ever win. Two of them grabbed the girl and hoisted their hero proudly into the air, bearing her aloft on their shoulders. "Chalk Down! Chalk Down!" came the celebratory shouts as they carried the orc away.		The Chalkdown Navigators were gathered round their new star player Proudly celebrating their first ever win. Two of them grabbed the girl and hoisted their hero proudly into the air, bearing her aloft on their shoulders. "Chalk Down! Chalk Down!" came the celebratory shouts as they carried the orc away.
	</ic>		</ic>
	<div style="float:left; width: 400px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Foot the balls.jpg\|caption=Marchers - human and orc alike - enjoy violent physical team sports to a degree other nations find a little offputting.\|align=left\|width=400}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 400px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Foot the balls.jpg\|caption=Marchers - human and orc alike - enjoy violent physical team sports to a degree other nations find a little offputting.\|align=left\|width=400}}</div>{{audio\|link= https://youtu.be/6eMHrQMuu2Q?si=BnGc0-e9JQqtmqFJ}}
	===Overview===		===Overview===
	For some time now the Marchers have been marching steadily towards embracing the [[Mournwold Orcs]], the former [[Jotun]] thralls who still occupy some of the best land in the [[Mournwold\|territory]]. There were clear similarities between them and their neighbours: a shared appreciation of a hard day's graft, a deep-seated love of the land, a refusal to put on airs and graces. There were problems however, deep theological problems. The Mournwold Orcs believe they reincarnate which flatly contradicts [[The Doctrines of the Faith\|Doctrine]] (although, admittedly, slightly less than it used to). Attempts to resolve this problem made no progress, but at the recent summit, the priests of the Marcher Assembly crossed the rubicon and said to hell with it - these people are Marcher - we'll deal with Doctrine later.		For some time now the Marchers have been marching steadily towards embracing the [[Mournwold Orcs]], the former [[Jotun]] thralls who still occupy some of the best land in the [[Mournwold\|territory]]. There were clear similarities between them and their neighbours: a shared appreciation of a hard day's graft, a deep-seated love of the land, a refusal to put on airs and graces. There were problems however, deep theological problems. The Mournwold Orcs believe they reincarnate which flatly contradicts [[The Doctrines of the Faith\|Doctrine]] (although, admittedly, slightly less than it used to). Attempts to resolve this problem made no progress, but at the recent summit, the priests of the Marcher Assembly crossed the rubicon and said to hell with it - these people are Marcher - we'll deal with Doctrine later.

Hailmur at 02:00, 20 April 2024

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	It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[Imperial Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".		It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[Imperial Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".
	{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to ad us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to aid us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=The pursuit of virtue supersedes doctrine and the Law. If the Mournwold Orcs are willing to commit to living the life that they are living to the full extent of virtue and greatness, this assembly will welcome and defend them.\|by=Sister Meredith\|vote=Greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=The pursuit of virtue supersedes doctrine and the Law. If the Mournwold Orcs are willing to commit to living the life that they are living to the full extent of virtue and greatness, this assembly will welcome and defend them.\|by=Sister Meredith\|vote=Greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	==Marcher Orcs==		==Marcher Orcs==

Rafferty: /* Further Reading */

2024-04-19T13:27:50Z

Matt at 21:41, 18 April 2024

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	The Mournwold orcs are not all joining the Marches overnight, and it's likely that some of them never will. They're just too set in their old Jotun ways. To be fair though, most who felt like that left [[At_the_dog_and_eel_show#The_Orcs_of_Mournwold\|earlier in the year]]. Those who remain are the ones who ''want'' to be part of the Marches. The Marcher egregores report that among those who are taking the step of seeking to bond with them, almost all are proving successful. But it will still take time to fully integrate the orcs. For the moment the overwhelming majority of them remain in the Mournwold, but there are already some seeking new homes and fresh opportunities in [[Mitwold]], [[Upwold]], and even (very cautiously) [[Bregasland]].		The Mournwold orcs are not all joining the Marches overnight, and it's likely that some of them never will. They're just too set in their old Jotun ways. To be fair though, most who felt like that left [[At_the_dog_and_eel_show#The_Orcs_of_Mournwold\|earlier in the year]]. Those who remain are the ones who ''want'' to be part of the Marches. The Marcher egregores report that among those who are taking the step of seeking to bond with them, almost all are proving successful. But it will still take time to fully integrate the orcs. For the moment the overwhelming majority of them remain in the Mournwold, but there are already some seeking new homes and fresh opportunities in [[Mitwold]], [[Upwold]], and even (very cautiously) [[Bregasland]].
	{{SOP\|statement=We encourage the Marchers and the Mournwold Orcs to enter into debate and discussion around our shared beliefs and where those beliefs differ. We urge the Marchers to show understanding and lenience as they guide the Mournwold orcs on their journey to understanding the Way. As called for in statement 191 give them time.\|by=Darian Numbers, Assembly of Nine\|vote=Greater Majority (8-0) with Primacy\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=We encourage the Marchers and the Mournwold Orcs to enter into debate and discussion around our shared beliefs and where those beliefs differ. We urge the Marchers to show understanding and lenience as they guide the Mournwold orcs on their journey to understanding the Way. As called for in statement 191 give them time.\|by=Darian Numbers, Assembly of Nine\|vote=Greater Majority (8-0) with Primacy\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}

	==Nightsoil in the Fields==		==Nightsoil in the Fields==
	* '''The Marcher Orcs are heretics		* '''The Marcher Orcs are heretics
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	There's not much chance the Marcher Orcs will give up their belief in reincarnation, for all the reasons already mentioned. Doing that would require accepting that millions of their ancestors were mistaken, and passed on those mistakes to their children, and have been devoured by the Howling Abyss. These orcs know their belief is correct, and won't abandon it in the foreseeable future no matter how many preachers or friars come to debate the Howling Abyss with them. What they ''will'' do is embrace the virtues as enthusiastically as any other Marcher, strive to live their lives to the full, take Pride in small things, and be Loyal to great things.		There's not much chance the Marcher Orcs will give up their belief in reincarnation, for all the reasons already mentioned. Doing that would require accepting that millions of their ancestors were mistaken, and passed on those mistakes to their children, and have been devoured by the Howling Abyss. These orcs know their belief is correct, and won't abandon it in the foreseeable future no matter how many preachers or friars come to debate the Howling Abyss with them. What they ''will'' do is embrace the virtues as enthusiastically as any other Marcher, strive to live their lives to the full, take Pride in small things, and be Loyal to great things.
	<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">The reward for a good job is more work.</quote></div>		<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">The reward for a good job is more work.</quote></div>

	==The Black Canal==		==The Black Canal==
	* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''		* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''
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	Some would say the Black Canal has already served it's purpose, forging a common bond between the Marchers, orcs and humans alike. Others point out that it a lot of time and money has been sunk into this great project and it would be daft not to finish it now. There's still a lot of material needed to complete it however - 20 weirwood, 22 white granite and 3 crowns in all are still outstanding. Once that's provided for then the work will be quickly completed and the benefits will start to flow.		Some would say the Black Canal has already served it's purpose, forging a common bond between the Marchers, orcs and humans alike. Others point out that it a lot of time and money has been sunk into this great project and it would be daft not to finish it now. There's still a lot of material needed to complete it however - 20 weirwood, 22 white granite and 3 crowns in all are still outstanding. Once that's provided for then the work will be quickly completed and the benefits will start to flow.
	<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">Sword and shears both cut alike.</quote></div>		<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">Sword and shears both cut alike.</quote></div>

	==The Fruit of the Tree==		==The Fruit of the Tree==
	* '''The Marcher nation could raise a fifth army'''		* '''The Marcher nation could raise a fifth army'''

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The Fruit of the Tree

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	The [[Despise treachery\|situation]] in [[Bregasland]] means that a fifth Marcher army could be a risk. If that situation degenerated further, if the territory went into open rebellion, then the Marchers wouldn't have the means to support five armies and would suffer accordingly. Fortunately the nation has the breadbasket, which could mitigate some of the impact of that. Provided the Marchers don't lose control of a territory for any reason they should have no problems supporting five armies.		The [[Despise treachery\|situation]] in [[Bregasland]] means that a fifth Marcher army could be a risk. If that situation degenerated further, if the territory went into open rebellion, then the Marchers wouldn't have the means to support five armies and would suffer accordingly. Fortunately the nation has the breadbasket, which could mitigate some of the impact of that. Provided the Marchers don't lose control of a territory for any reason they should have no problems supporting five armies.

	This might not be the best time politically to raise a new army, but it would certainly capture the triumphant mood in the ~~Mournewold~~.		This might not be the best time politically to raise a new army, but it would certainly capture the triumphant mood in the Mournwold.
	While the Marcher Orcs won't fight in army for obvious reasons, the Marchers could call on them to join the new army bringing their long experience supporting others and their skills as quartermasters, healers, apothecaries, physicks, and other support roles that don't require them to lift a weapon. As time goes by that will change, though. Every generation contains some orcs ready to risk their soul and take their chance to cross the Abyss, to fight like their warrior-ancestors urge them to fight. Now that they can become citizens of the Marches they can join the Marcher armies and give the Jotun a damn good kicking.		While the Marcher Orcs won't fight in army for obvious reasons, the Marchers could call on them to join the new army bringing their long experience supporting others and their skills as quartermasters, healers, apothecaries, physicks, and other support roles that don't require them to lift a weapon. As time goes by that will change, though. Every generation contains some orcs ready to risk their soul and take their chance to cross the Abyss, to fight like their warrior-ancestors urge them to fight. Now that they can become citizens of the Marches they can join the Marcher armies and give the Jotun a damn good kicking.

	Alternatively there are more than a few Mournwold miners who could be persuaded to take the Imperial crown for a few years. They'd need some training to form the core of a good army, but most of them are as strong as an ox, not afraid of hard work and experienced working with engineers. Those are all skills an army could make use of.		Alternatively there are more than a few Mournwold miners who could be persuaded to take the Imperial crown for a few years. They'd need some training to form the core of a good army, but most of them are as strong as an ox, not afraid of hard work and experienced working with engineers. Those are all skills an army could make use of.

	Or the Marchers could look elsewhere to find the people who could form a new army. There is time to get this right - with the Mournwold ~~finaly~~ united, and all the people pulling in the same direction at last, this is one opportunity that isn't going anywhere.		Or the Marchers could look elsewhere to find the people who could form a new army. There is time to get this right - with the Mournwold finally united, and all the people pulling in the same direction at last, this is one opportunity that isn't going anywhere.

	==Marcher Orcs in Play==		==Marcher Orcs in Play==
	It is still not currently possible to play a Marcher Orc as your player character, or for existing orc characters to join the Marches.		It is still not currently possible to play a Marcher Orc as your player character, or for existing orc characters to join the Marches.

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The Black Canal

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Nightsoil in the Fields

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	If this mandate is passed, the Imperial Orcs Assembly makes it clear that on matters of orc souls, their human peers should defer to them. It acknowledges that the Marcher Orcs have different beliefs to the Imperial Orcs, but commits to trying to find a middle ground. In the short term, Imperial Orcs preachers will visit the Mournwold orcs to debate and discuss their shared understanding of virtue, and their differing stance on what happens after one dies. In the long term, if anyone tries to denounce the Marcher orcs as heretics, the Imperial Orcs would step in.		If this mandate is passed, the Imperial Orcs Assembly makes it clear that on matters of orc souls, their human peers should defer to them. It acknowledges that the Marcher Orcs have different beliefs to the Imperial Orcs, but commits to trying to find a middle ground. In the short term, Imperial Orcs preachers will visit the Mournwold orcs to debate and discuss their shared understanding of virtue, and their differing stance on what happens after one dies. In the long term, if anyone tries to denounce the Marcher orcs as heretics, the Imperial Orcs would step in.

	There's not much chance the Marcher Orcs will give up their belief in reincarnation, for all the reasons already mentioned. Doing that would require accepting that millions of their ancestors were mistaken, and passed on those mistakes to their children, and have been devoured by the Howling Abyss. These orcs know their belief is correct, and won't abandon it in the ~~forseeable~~ future no matter how many preachers or friars come to debate the Howling Abyss with them. What they ''will'' do is embrace the virtues as enthusiastically as any other Marcher, strive to live their lives to the full, take Pride in small things, and be Loyal to great things.		There's not much chance the Marcher Orcs will give up their belief in reincarnation, for all the reasons already mentioned. Doing that would require accepting that millions of their ancestors were mistaken, and passed on those mistakes to their children, and have been devoured by the Howling Abyss. These orcs know their belief is correct, and won't abandon it in the foreseeable future no matter how many preachers or friars come to debate the Howling Abyss with them. What they ''will'' do is embrace the virtues as enthusiastically as any other Marcher, strive to live their lives to the full, take Pride in small things, and be Loyal to great things.
	<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">The reward for a good job is more work.</quote></div>		<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">The reward for a good job is more work.</quote></div>

	==The Black Canal==		==The Black Canal==
	* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''		* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''

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	For some time now the Marchers have been marching steadily towards embracing the [[Mournwold Orcs]], the former [[Jotun]] thralls who still occupy some of the best land in the [[Mournwold\|territory]]. There were clear similarities between them and their neighbours: a shared appreciation of a hard day's graft, a deep-seated love of the land, a refusal to put on airs and graces. There were problems however, deep theological problems. The Mournwold Orcs believe they reincarnate which flatly contradicts [[The Doctrines of the Faith\|Doctrine]] (although, admittedly, slightly less than it used to). Attempts to resolve this problem made no progress, but at the recent summit, the priests of the Marcher Assembly crossed the rubicon and said to hell with it - these people are Marcher - we'll deal with Doctrine later.		For some time now the Marchers have been marching steadily towards embracing the [[Mournwold Orcs]], the former [[Jotun]] thralls who still occupy some of the best land in the [[Mournwold\|territory]]. There were clear similarities between them and their neighbours: a shared appreciation of a hard day's graft, a deep-seated love of the land, a refusal to put on airs and graces. There were problems however, deep theological problems. The Mournwold Orcs believe they reincarnate which flatly contradicts [[The Doctrines of the Faith\|Doctrine]] (although, admittedly, slightly less than it used to). Attempts to resolve this problem made no progress, but at the recent summit, the priests of the Marcher Assembly crossed the rubicon and said to hell with it - these people are Marcher - we'll deal with Doctrine later.

	It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".		It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".
	{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to aid us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to aid us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}

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	It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[Imperial Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".		It is timely moment to grasp the nettle, for the [[Imperial Synod]] chose that summit to [[385YE_Autumn_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_3\|confirm]] a major [[change of doctrine]]. The new [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Enlightenment\|Doctrine of Enlightenment]] has removed one of the many barriers keeping [[orc\|orcs]] from joining Imperial nations. It has further smoothed the transition of the Apulian orcs from being [[Grendel]] to being part of [[the League]]. It has removed another barrier between the [[Great Forest Orcs]] who established steadings in Miaren and Hercynia and their Navarr neighbours. And more than anything it has had a profound impact on the orcs in [[the Marches]] - especially the removal of the previous statement that "only humans reincarnate".
	{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=Those orcs who once were thralls of the Jotun are Marchers. They've been patient, and we won't keep them waiting while the rest of the Empire argues about what we know to be true. We send Sister Meredith with the egregore Jack to welcome them into our nation, and we will look to the paperwork later.\|by=Mel Bleak\|vote=greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to ad us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=The Mourn Orcs are Marchers, there is no doubt of this and denying such is false. Further, the matter of Orc souls should be left to Orcs. We encourage the Humans of the Empire to give our new siblings time while we guide them in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors. Let us have these conversations of our souls together. We encourage the Marchers to aid us in finding proof and understanding their new citizens.\|by=Bloodcrow Knott\|vote=Greater Majority (78-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=The pursuit of virtue supersedes doctrine and the Law. If the Mournwold Orcs are willing to commit to living the life that they are living to the full extent of virtue and greatness, this assembly will welcome and defend them.\|by=Sister Meredith\|vote=Greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=The pursuit of virtue supersedes doctrine and the Law. If the Mournwold Orcs are willing to commit to living the life that they are living to the full extent of virtue and greatness, this assembly will welcome and defend them.\|by=Sister Meredith\|vote=Greater Majority (264-0)\|when=Autumn Equinox 385YE}}
	==Marcher Orcs==		==Marcher Orcs==

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	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[Mournwold Orcs]]		* [[Mournwold Orcs]]
	* [[~~TBC~~]] - 385YE Winter Wind of Fortune discussing the Doctrine of Enlightenment		* [[Part of this together]] - 385YE Winter Wind of Fortune discussing the Doctrine of Enlightenment

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	* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''		* '''The Black Canal is nearing completion, but still requires 3 crowns, 20 weirwood and 22 white granite to complete'''
	* '''The project has helped to shift views across the Marchers, with many speaking positively of the Mournwold orcs work ethic'''		* '''The project has helped to shift views across the Marchers, with many speaking positively of the Mournwold orcs work ethic'''
	One factor that has done much to shift the wider Marcher opinion of the Mournwold Orcs was their shared work on the Black Canal. Having orcs from the Mournwold working side-by-side alongside the Marchers gave both a chance to appreciate each others company. The best way to mend fences is to put them back up together as the old Marcher proverb has it. People were ~~skeptical~~ at first, but the orcs soon won them round with their impressive work ethic, every bit the equal of a hard-working Marcher navvy. One sure sign that people are being won over is the way folk eventually stop referring to them as the Jotun thralls, and start calling them the Mournwold Orcs. And it's not that long after that someone just says refers to them as Marcher Orcs...		One factor that has done much to shift the wider Marcher opinion of the Mournwold Orcs was their shared work on the Black Canal. Having orcs from the Mournwold working side-by-side alongside the Marchers gave both a chance to appreciate each others company. The best way to mend fences is to put them back up together as the old Marcher proverb has it. People were sceptical at first, but the orcs soon won them round with their impressive work ethic, every bit the equal of a hard-working Marcher navvy. One sure sign that people are being won over is the way folk eventually stop referring to them as the Jotun thralls, and start calling them the Mournwold Orcs. And it's not that long after that someone just says refers to them as Marcher Orcs...

	<table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="float: right; margin-left:10px; width=50%; max-width:500px;">		<table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="float: right; margin-left:10px; width=50%; max-width:500px;">
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	<tr><td>'''Commission Type:'''Great Work</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Commission Type:'''Great Work</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Location:''' River Meade (Mitwold and Mournwold)</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Location:''' River Meade (Mitwold and Mournwold)</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Cost:''' 20 weirwood, 22 white granite and 3 Crowns to ~~coplete~~</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Cost:''' 20 weirwood, 22 white granite and 3 Crowns to complete</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Effects:''' Raises level of investment in farms in Mitwold by 1, in businesses in Mitwold and Mournwold by 1 and in mines in Mournwold by 2</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Effects:''' Raises level of investment in farms in Mitwold by 1, in businesses in Mitwold and Mournwold by 1 and in mines in Mournwold by 2</td></tr>
	</table>		</table>
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	Some would say the Black Canal has already served it's purpose, forging a common bond between the Marchers, orcs and humans alike. Others point out that it a lot of time and money has been sunk into this great project and it would be daft not to finish it now. There's still a lot of material needed to complete it however - 20 weirwood, 22 white granite and 3 crowns in all are still outstanding. Once that's provided for then the work will be quickly completed and the benefits will start to flow.		Some would say the Black Canal has already served it's purpose, forging a common bond between the Marchers, orcs and humans alike. Others point out that it a lot of time and money has been sunk into this great project and it would be daft not to finish it now. There's still a lot of material needed to complete it however - 20 weirwood, 22 white granite and 3 crowns in all are still outstanding. Once that's provided for then the work will be quickly completed and the benefits will start to flow.
	<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">Sword and shears both cut alike.</quote></div>		<div style="float: right; max-width:400px; margin-left:10px;"><quote by="Marcher Proverb">Sword and shears both cut alike.</quote></div>

	==The Fruit of the Tree==		==The Fruit of the Tree==
	* '''The Marcher nation could raise a fifth army'''		* '''The Marcher nation could raise a fifth army'''