Scuppernong - Revision history

Twiggy at 22:27, 1 October 2025

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	Nye of the Treaden Path argues that both approaches fall short by focussing too much on the patient. Nye believes it is the responsibility of the healer to ensure that they have the things they need to practice their skills. The vines should serve the nation just as the thorns do - do they charge for their service? Or the guides? When asked how the vines might do this, Nye suggests that they organise to build up their herb gardens and mana sites, and agitate to get more sinecures and great works built. Vines must not focus on healing alone, they must also act politically to secure the resources they need. When challenged that this is not the job of the healer he replies bluntly ''"Why not? Healing is the art of treating the wounded body. Surely securing the herbs is just as important as applying them?"''.		Nye of the Treaden Path argues that both approaches fall short by focussing too much on the patient. Nye believes it is the responsibility of the healer to ensure that they have the things they need to practice their skills. The vines should serve the nation just as the thorns do - do they charge for their service? Or the guides? When asked how the vines might do this, Nye suggests that they organise to build up their herb gardens and mana sites, and agitate to get more sinecures and great works built. Vines must not focus on healing alone, they must also act politically to secure the resources they need. When challenged that this is not the job of the healer he replies bluntly ''"Why not? Healing is the art of treating the wounded body. Surely securing the herbs is just as important as applying them?"''.

	Predictably there is little in the way of consensus. However everyone agrees that if the vines plan to prosper from the charity of the Navarr in some way, then it would need the Navarr Assembly to make the expectation clear to everyone that they should support the vines accordingly. If the vines plan only to charge what their arts cost or if they aim to be as active politically as they are on the battlefield then ~~that~~ that would "only" require the agreement of the leadership of the vines at Anvil.		Predictably there is little in the way of consensus. However everyone agrees that if the vines plan to prosper from the charity of the Navarr in some way, then it would need the Navarr Assembly to make the expectation clear to everyone that they should support the vines accordingly. If the vines plan only to charge what their arts cost or if they aim to be as active politically as they are on the battlefield then that would "only" require the agreement of the leadership of the vines at Anvil.

	==Who Do You Heal?==		==Who Do You Heal?==

Twiggy at 13:27, 16 July 2025

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	<quote by="Kisha of the Long Strike">The vallorn is an illness to be cured, an infection to be treated, a lesion to be sewn shut. But the vallorn is not the only wound that exists, war leaves deep scars and powerful curses can ravage the land destroying homes, poisoning waters and ruining lives. We should seek to draw the poison from these wounds so the world can heal.</quote>		<quote by="Kisha of the Long Strike">The vallorn is an illness to be cured, an infection to be treated, a lesion to be sewn shut. But the vallorn is not the only wound that exists, war leaves deep scars and powerful curses can ravage the land destroying homes, poisoning waters and ruining lives. We should seek to draw the poison from these wounds so the world can heal.</quote>

	This vision of the vines presents a philosophical approach to life, one in which a vine is someone who dedicates themselves to solving the problems of the world. That could be trying to secure a lasting peace between the Thule and the Empire, trying to convince the Iron Confederacy to abandon slavery, or seeking a way to quiet the anger of the Black Plateau. If the vines embraced a vision like this then when someone claimed to be a vine it would say something much more profound, than simply "I am a healer".		This vision of the vines presents a philosophical approach to life, one in which a vine is someone who dedicates themselves to solving the problems of the world. That could be trying to secure a lasting peace between the Thule and the Empire, trying to convince the Iron Confederacy to abandon slavery, or seeking a way to quiet the anger of the {{Black Plateau}}. If the vines embraced a vision like this then when someone claimed to be a vine it would say something much more profound, than simply "I am a healer".

	It is an appealing idea to many idealistic Navarr, but it is not without critics. Ginny Apgar who runs a wayhouse in Southmoor in the Mourn believes the Assembly has the whole thing on its head.		It is an appealing idea to many idealistic Navarr, but it is not without critics. Ginny Apgar who runs a wayhouse in Southmoor in the Mourn believes the Assembly has the whole thing on its head.

Hailmur at 16:11, 23 September 2024

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	This vision of the vines presents a philosophical approach to life, one in which a vine is someone who dedicates themselves to solving the problems of the world. That could be trying to secure a lasting peace between the Thule and the Empire, trying to convince the Iron Confederacy to abandon slavery, or seeking a way to quiet the anger of the Black Plateau. If the vines embraced a vision like this then when someone claimed to be a vine it would say something much more profound, than simply "I am a healer".		This vision of the vines presents a philosophical approach to life, one in which a vine is someone who dedicates themselves to solving the problems of the world. That could be trying to secure a lasting peace between the Thule and the Empire, trying to convince the Iron Confederacy to abandon slavery, or seeking a way to quiet the anger of the Black Plateau. If the vines embraced a vision like this then when someone claimed to be a vine it would say something much more profound, than simply "I am a healer".

	It is an appealing idea to many idealistic Navarr, but it is not without critics. Ginny Apgar who runs a wayhouse in Southmoor in the ~~Barrens~~ believes the Assembly has the whole thing on its head.		It is an appealing idea to many idealistic Navarr, but it is not without critics. Ginny Apgar who runs a wayhouse in Southmoor in the Mourn believes the Assembly has the whole thing on its head.

	<quote by="Ginny Apgar of the Fancy Pantry">A physick don't heal nobody... the body heals itself... Our job is to make the body strong enough for that to happen. If they're wounded, the best way to do that is with needle and thread, but I don't stop caring for my patient when the wound is closed. If the vines stood for finding ways to make everyone stronger, then that's something folks like me could embrace.</quote>		<quote by="Ginny Apgar of the Fancy Pantry">A physick don't heal nobody... the body heals itself... Our job is to make the body strong enough for that to happen. If they're wounded, the best way to do that is with needle and thread, but I don't stop caring for my patient when the wound is closed. If the vines stood for finding ways to make everyone stronger, then that's something folks like me could embrace.</quote>

Hailmur at 23:43, 10 September 2024

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	It was a good metaphor. He'd tell Avery in the morning.</ic>		It was a good metaphor. He'd tell Avery in the morning.</ic>
	<div style="float:left; width: ~~700px~~; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Scuppernong.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Time can heal most anything and you just might find who you're supposed to be.\|width=~~700~~}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 500px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Scuppernong.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Time can heal most anything and you just might find who you're supposed to be.\|width=500}}</div>
	{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRMCXcoPqc}}		{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRMCXcoPqc}}
	==Overview==		==Overview==

Hailmur: /* What Do you Heal? */

2024-06-02T10:32:59Z

What Do you Heal?

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	Imma's questions are challenging while Maire's views are deeply controversial. But everyone agrees that the questions need answering - and they are looking to Anvil for that. They ask the egregore to raise these questions with the vines, see if they can agree on an answer and then let everyone know what it is.		Imma's questions are challenging while Maire's views are deeply controversial. But everyone agrees that the questions need answering - and they are looking to Anvil for that. They ask the egregore to raise these questions with the vines, see if they can agree on an answer and then let everyone know what it is.

	==What Do ~~you~~ Heal?==		==What Do You Heal?==
	The specific wording of the statement of principle arouses a lot of interest. Enis Splinterspear doesn't say that the vines should heal <em>people</em> - rather he urges them to ''heal the maladies of the world.'' It is quite an ambition - and it is that more than anything else that intrigues people. The idea of pairing up with another healer to treat people on the battlefield so that one of you can watch for enemies might be useful to the heroes of Anvil, but it's less relevant to a physick treating the sick in a surgery in Miaren. More broadly, many Navarr healers don't feel they need a special name for themselves, when healer will do perfectly well.		The specific wording of the statement of principle arouses a lot of interest. Enis Splinterspear doesn't say that the vines should heal <em>people</em> - rather he urges them to ''heal the maladies of the world.'' It is quite an ambition - and it is that more than anything else that intrigues people. The idea of pairing up with another healer to treat people on the battlefield so that one of you can watch for enemies might be useful to the heroes of Anvil, but it's less relevant to a physick treating the sick in a surgery in Miaren. More broadly, many Navarr healers don't feel they need a special name for themselves, when healer will do perfectly well.

Hailmur: /* Who Do you You Heal? */

2024-06-02T10:32:49Z

Who Do you You Heal?

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	Predictably there is little in the way of consensus. However everyone agrees that if the vines plan to prosper from the charity of the Navarr in some way, then it would need the Navarr Assembly to make the expectation clear to everyone that they should support the vines accordingly. If the vines plan only to charge what their arts cost or if they aim to be as active politically as they are on the battlefield then that that would "only" require the agreement of the leadership of the vines at Anvil.		Predictably there is little in the way of consensus. However everyone agrees that if the vines plan to prosper from the charity of the Navarr in some way, then it would need the Navarr Assembly to make the expectation clear to everyone that they should support the vines accordingly. If the vines plan only to charge what their arts cost or if they aim to be as active politically as they are on the battlefield then that that would "only" require the agreement of the leadership of the vines at Anvil.

	==Who Do ~~you~~ You Heal?==		==Who Do You Heal?==
	Imma Heartshrew, the draughir healer in Lants Striding is less concerned with where the herbs come from and more bothered about who gets healed. When people respond "the Navarr of course" she gives an exaggerated sigh and rolls her eyes. Obviously the vines should heal the Navarr, but she insists the problem demands rather more thought than ''that''. The Navarr often fight alongside their allies from other nations. Should they heal a wounded Marcher? Should they heal the wounded Marcher first? What if their wounds look more pressing than those of the Navarr? What if you come upon the battlefield and find your husband bleeding from a leg wound while next to him an Asavean lies dying? Who gets treated first? Imma offers a question she claims to put to all the students she teaches.		Imma Heartshrew, the draughir healer in Lants Striding is less concerned with where the herbs come from and more bothered about who gets healed. When people respond "the Navarr of course" she gives an exaggerated sigh and rolls her eyes. Obviously the vines should heal the Navarr, but she insists the problem demands rather more thought than ''that''. The Navarr often fight alongside their allies from other nations. Should they heal a wounded Marcher? Should they heal the wounded Marcher first? What if their wounds look more pressing than those of the Navarr? What if you come upon the battlefield and find your husband bleeding from a leg wound while next to him an Asavean lies dying? Who gets treated first? Imma offers a question she claims to put to all the students she teaches.

Novemberalice at 10:28, 12 April 2023

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	It was a good metaphor. He'd tell Avery in the morning.</ic>		It was a good metaphor. He'd tell Avery in the morning.</ic>
	<div style="float:left; width: 700px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Scuppernong.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Time can heal most anything and you just might find who you're supposed to be.\|width=700}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 700px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Scuppernong.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Time can heal most anything and you just might find who you're supposed to be.\|width=700}}</div>
			{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRMCXcoPqc}}
	==Overview==		==Overview==
	At the Summer Solstice 381, the Navarri physick Timinion Splitroot died on the battlefield. His partner Gawain believed that there was no organisation of the healers within the nation, and elected to address that. At the next summit, he asked the healers to come and see him and proposed forming a new community of those dedicated to healing others. Slowly the idea spread to create an ideal that healers of the nation might aspire to emulate, not dissimilar to a [[guide]] or a [[brand]]. By 382 there were enough interested healers to hold their own meeting when the other councils met and they opted to call themselves vines.		At the Summer Solstice 381, the Navarri physick Timinion Splitroot died on the battlefield. His partner Gawain believed that there was no organisation of the healers within the nation, and elected to address that. At the next summit, he asked the healers to come and see him and proposed forming a new community of those dedicated to healing others. Slowly the idea spread to create an ideal that healers of the nation might aspire to emulate, not dissimilar to a [[guide]] or a [[brand]]. By 382 there were enough interested healers to hold their own meeting when the other councils met and they opted to call themselves vines.

RichardRaynor: /* OOC Design */

2023-04-07T23:44:06Z

OOC Design

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	==OOC Design==		==OOC Design==
	This plot recognises the efforts the players have done to date to create a new [[archetype]] for the Navarr. Doing that is very deliberately difficult in Empire, it is meant to be a significant achievement. Unlike getting an appraisal, or casting a ritual, how to do it is not something we can set clear rules for. It definitely involves communicating your ideas to the nation using your national assembly, but it also requires the players to have a clear vision for what the archetype does in play - and for any new archetype that has to be more than just a character skillset. To be incorporated into the wider setting an archetype has to have an ideology or an approach, something that will give players good hooks for their character when they come to Empire. Some of the newer archetype pages that we have written recently for the Urizen, such as [[architect]] or [[sword-scholar]] show the kind of information that is required.		This plot recognises the efforts the players have done to date to create a new [[archetype]] for the Navarr. Doing that is very deliberately difficult in Empire, it is meant to be a significant achievement. Unlike getting an appraisal, or casting a ritual, how to do it is not something we can set clear rules for. It definitely involves communicating your ideas to the nation using your national assembly, but it also requires the players to have a clear vision for what the archetype does in play - and for any new archetype that has to be more than just a character skillset. To be incorporated into the wider setting an archetype has to have an ideology or an approach, something that will give players good hooks for their character when they come to Empire. Some of the newer archetype pages that we have written recently for the Urizen, such as [[architect]] or [[sword scholar]] show the kind of information that is required.

	This wind of fortune is intended to give Navarr players an opportunity to communicate what vines are all about to the NPCs of their nation. Answers to the questions asked laid out here would provide the kind of information that Profound Decisions would need to create a good quality archetype page on the wiki. They're not the only questions that could be asked, but having clear answers on these issues would be sufficient for the vines to become a Navarr archetype, provided that the vines can ensure that they can communicate that clearly to the archetype.		This wind of fortune is intended to give Navarr players an opportunity to communicate what vines are all about to the NPCs of their nation. Answers to the questions asked laid out here would provide the kind of information that Profound Decisions would need to create a good quality archetype page on the wiki. They're not the only questions that could be asked, but having clear answers on these issues would be sufficient for the vines to become a Navarr archetype, provided that the vines can ensure that they can communicate that clearly to the archetype.

Dre at 22:02, 7 April 2023

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	But as Kisha of the Long Stride points out, being a guide is much more than just being a priest - being a vate is much more than just casting spells and rituals. If the vines are to mean something to folks beyond Anvil the name must evoke ideals and principles more profound and all-encompassing than simply being a healer. A few people claim that the vines are healers who are devoted to treating those who have been wounded fighting the vallorn - but that meets with some scepticism. The entire purpose of the Navarr nation is to oppose the vallorn... how has a Navarr healer who pledges themselves to treat the wounds caused by the vallorn gained any greater purpose? And besides, what should they do if they discover someone who was wounded by barbarians or just fell sick? Should they ''not'' treat that person to the best of their ability because the wound wasn't caused by the vallorn?		But as Kisha of the Long Stride points out, being a guide is much more than just being a priest - being a vate is much more than just casting spells and rituals. If the vines are to mean something to folks beyond Anvil the name must evoke ideals and principles more profound and all-encompassing than simply being a healer. A few people claim that the vines are healers who are devoted to treating those who have been wounded fighting the vallorn - but that meets with some scepticism. The entire purpose of the Navarr nation is to oppose the vallorn... how has a Navarr healer who pledges themselves to treat the wounds caused by the vallorn gained any greater purpose? And besides, what should they do if they discover someone who was wounded by barbarians or just fell sick? Should they ''not'' treat that person to the best of their ability because the wound wasn't caused by the vallorn?

	But the idea that the vines might try to heal the maladies of the world presents such an astonishing vision that a lot of people find it genuinely electrifying. As Kisha says ''"We don't treat the wound... we treat the patient... what if the Empire is our patient and ~~it's~~ maladies are wounds that we must close?"'' She says the vines should not seek to focus on the vallorn but to draw inspiration from it.		But the idea that the vines might try to heal the maladies of the world presents such an astonishing vision that a lot of people find it genuinely electrifying. As Kisha says ''"We don't treat the wound... we treat the patient... what if the Empire is our patient and its maladies are wounds that we must close?"'' She says the vines should not seek to focus on the vallorn but to draw inspiration from it.

	<quote by="Kisha of the Long Strike">The vallorn is an illness to be cured, an infection to be treated, a lesion to be sewn shut. But the vallorn is not the only wound that exists, war leaves deep scars and powerful curses can ravage the land destroying homes, poisoning waters and ruining lives. We should seek to draw the poison from these wounds so the world can heal.</quote>		<quote by="Kisha of the Long Strike">The vallorn is an illness to be cured, an infection to be treated, a lesion to be sewn shut. But the vallorn is not the only wound that exists, war leaves deep scars and powerful curses can ravage the land destroying homes, poisoning waters and ruining lives. We should seek to draw the poison from these wounds so the world can heal.</quote>
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	This vision of the vines presents a philosophical approach to life, one in which a vine is someone who dedicates themselves to solving the problems of the world. That could be trying to secure a lasting peace between the Thule and the Empire, trying to convince the Iron Confederacy to abandon slavery, or seeking a way to quiet the anger of the Black Plateau. If the vines embraced a vision like this then when someone claimed to be a vine it would say something much more profound, than simply "I am a healer".		This vision of the vines presents a philosophical approach to life, one in which a vine is someone who dedicates themselves to solving the problems of the world. That could be trying to secure a lasting peace between the Thule and the Empire, trying to convince the Iron Confederacy to abandon slavery, or seeking a way to quiet the anger of the Black Plateau. If the vines embraced a vision like this then when someone claimed to be a vine it would say something much more profound, than simply "I am a healer".

	It is an appealing idea to many idealistic Navarr, but it is not without critics. Ginny Apgar who runs a wayhouse in Southmoor in the Barrens believes the Assembly has the whole thing on ~~it's~~ head.		It is an appealing idea to many idealistic Navarr, but it is not without critics. Ginny Apgar who runs a wayhouse in Southmoor in the Barrens believes the Assembly has the whole thing on its head.

	<quote by="Ginny Apgar of the Fancy Pantry">A physick don't heal nobody... the body heals itself... Our job is to make the body strong enough for that to happen. If they're wounded, the best way to do that is with needle and thread, but I don't stop caring for my patient when the wound is closed. If the vines stood for finding ways to make everyone stronger, then that's something folks like me could embrace.</quote>		<quote by="Ginny Apgar of the Fancy Pantry">A physick don't heal nobody... the body heals itself... Our job is to make the body strong enough for that to happen. If they're wounded, the best way to do that is with needle and thread, but I don't stop caring for my patient when the wound is closed. If the vines stood for finding ways to make everyone stronger, then that's something folks like me could embrace.</quote>

Cyph: scuppernong

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scuppernong

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	Avery had wanted to know what he thought of the idea and he'd promised her that he'd think on it. He'd been trying to think of something clever to say, wracking his brains for two days now and still nothing came. So here he was, sat on his own next to a dying fire.		Avery had wanted to know what he thought of the idea and he'd promised her that he'd think on it. He'd been trying to think of something clever to say, wracking his brains for two days now and still nothing came. So here he was, sat on his own next to a dying fire.

	He reached for the firewood - if he was gonna be up all night, he might as well be warm. And that was when it hit him. The fire... it was dying. Without him to feed it, it would be out in an hour. He could keep it going of course... for a few more hours... if he kept feeding it with the last of the ~~Stridings~~ firewood.		He reached for the firewood - if he was gonna be up all night, he might as well be warm. And that was when it hit him. The fire... it was dying. Without him to feed it, it would be out in an hour. He could keep it going of course... for a few more hours... if he kept feeding it with the last of the Striding's firewood.

	He stood up, stretched and yawned. He scooped up the bucket of dirt and threw it over the dying fire, the wet soil hissing and popping as it choked the life from the flames.		He stood up, stretched and yawned. He scooped up the bucket of dirt and threw it over the dying fire, the wet soil hissing and popping as it choked the life from the flames.
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	The specific wording of the statement of principle arouses a lot of interest. Enis Splinterspear doesn't say that the vines should heal <em>people</em> - rather he urges them to ''heal the maladies of the world.'' It is quite an ambition - and it is that more than anything else that intrigues people. The idea of pairing up with another healer to treat people on the battlefield so that one of you can watch for enemies might be useful to the heroes of Anvil, but it's less relevant to a physick treating the sick in a surgery in Miaren. More broadly, many Navarr healers don't feel they need a special name for themselves, when healer will do perfectly well.		The specific wording of the statement of principle arouses a lot of interest. Enis Splinterspear doesn't say that the vines should heal <em>people</em> - rather he urges them to ''heal the maladies of the world.'' It is quite an ambition - and it is that more than anything else that intrigues people. The idea of pairing up with another healer to treat people on the battlefield so that one of you can watch for enemies might be useful to the heroes of Anvil, but it's less relevant to a physick treating the sick in a surgery in Miaren. More broadly, many Navarr healers don't feel they need a special name for themselves, when healer will do perfectly well.

	But as Kisha of the Long Stride points out, being a guide is much more than just being a priest - being a vate is much more than just casting spells and rituals. If the vines are to mean something to folks beyond Anvil the name must evoke ideals and principles more profound and all-encompassing than simply being a healer. A few people claim that the vines are healers who are devoted to treating those who have been wounded fighting the vallorn - but that meets with some ~~skepticism~~. The entire purpose of the Navarr nation is to oppose the vallorn... how has a Navarr healer who pledges themselves to treat the wounds caused by the vallorn gained any greater purpose? And besides, what should they do if they discover someone who was wounded by barbarians or just fell sick? Should they ''not'' treat that person to the best of their ability because the wound wasn't caused by the vallorn?		But as Kisha of the Long Stride points out, being a guide is much more than just being a priest - being a vate is much more than just casting spells and rituals. If the vines are to mean something to folks beyond Anvil the name must evoke ideals and principles more profound and all-encompassing than simply being a healer. A few people claim that the vines are healers who are devoted to treating those who have been wounded fighting the vallorn - but that meets with some scepticism. The entire purpose of the Navarr nation is to oppose the vallorn... how has a Navarr healer who pledges themselves to treat the wounds caused by the vallorn gained any greater purpose? And besides, what should they do if they discover someone who was wounded by barbarians or just fell sick? Should they ''not'' treat that person to the best of their ability because the wound wasn't caused by the vallorn?

	But the idea that the vines might try to heal the maladies of the world presents such an astonishing vision that a lot of people find it genuinely electrifying. As Kisha says ''"We don't treat the wound... we treat the patient... what if the Empire is our patient and it's maladies are wounds that we must close?"'' She says the vines should not seek to focus on the vallorn but to draw inspiration from it.		But the idea that the vines might try to heal the maladies of the world presents such an astonishing vision that a lot of people find it genuinely electrifying. As Kisha says ''"We don't treat the wound... we treat the patient... what if the Empire is our patient and it's maladies are wounds that we must close?"'' She says the vines should not seek to focus on the vallorn but to draw inspiration from it.
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	# Who bears the costs? - How will vines fund what they do? Will the nation support them - or should they dedicate themselves to ensuring the nation has the resources it needs to heal the wounded?		# Who bears the costs? - How will vines fund what they do? Will the nation support them - or should they dedicate themselves to ensuring the nation has the resources it needs to heal the wounded?
	# Who do you heal? - Sometimes a healer doesn't have the time to save everyone. How should those hard choices be made? And what about foreigners? What about barbarians? Who are the vines trying to save?		# Who do you heal? - Sometimes a healer doesn't have the time to save everyone. How should those hard choices be made? And what about foreigners? What about barbarians? Who are the vines trying to save?
	# What do you heal? - Are the vines trying to cure the ~~malaies~~ of the world or devote making those they treat strong enough to survive? What is the ~~overaching~~ philosophy of the vines?		# What do you heal? - Are the vines trying to cure the malaise of the world or devote making those they treat strong enough to survive? What is the overarching philosophy of the vines?

	The egregores will ask the vines to answer these questions as best they can. If discussing these issues leads to other important questions, they will record that also. The egregores plan to try to ensure every vine present has a chance to speak, and once a decision is arrived at, they will ask for a vote of the vines present to confirm it.		The egregores will ask the vines to answer these questions as best they can. If discussing these issues leads to other important questions, they will record that also. The egregores plan to try to ensure every vine present has a chance to speak, and once a decision is arrived at, they will ask for a vote of the vines present to confirm it.
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	This plot recognises the efforts the players have done to date to create a new [[archetype]] for the Navarr. Doing that is very deliberately difficult in Empire, it is meant to be a significant achievement. Unlike getting an appraisal, or casting a ritual, how to do it is not something we can set clear rules for. It definitely involves communicating your ideas to the nation using your national assembly, but it also requires the players to have a clear vision for what the archetype does in play - and for any new archetype that has to be more than just a character skillset. To be incorporated into the wider setting an archetype has to have an ideology or an approach, something that will give players good hooks for their character when they come to Empire. Some of the newer archetype pages that we have written recently for the Urizen, such as [[architect]] or [[sword-scholar]] show the kind of information that is required.		This plot recognises the efforts the players have done to date to create a new [[archetype]] for the Navarr. Doing that is very deliberately difficult in Empire, it is meant to be a significant achievement. Unlike getting an appraisal, or casting a ritual, how to do it is not something we can set clear rules for. It definitely involves communicating your ideas to the nation using your national assembly, but it also requires the players to have a clear vision for what the archetype does in play - and for any new archetype that has to be more than just a character skillset. To be incorporated into the wider setting an archetype has to have an ideology or an approach, something that will give players good hooks for their character when they come to Empire. Some of the newer archetype pages that we have written recently for the Urizen, such as [[architect]] or [[sword-scholar]] show the kind of information that is required.

	This wind of fortune is intended to give Navarr players an opportunity to communicate what vines are all about to the ~~npcs~~ of their nation. Answers to the questions asked laid out here would provide the kind of information that Profound Decisions would need to create a good quality archetype page on the wiki. They're not the only questions that could be asked, but having clear answers on these issues would be sufficient for the vines to become a Navarr archetype, provided that the vines can ensure that they can communicate that clearly to the archetype.		This wind of fortune is intended to give Navarr players an opportunity to communicate what vines are all about to the NPCs of their nation. Answers to the questions asked laid out here would provide the kind of information that Profound Decisions would need to create a good quality archetype page on the wiki. They're not the only questions that could be asked, but having clear answers on these issues would be sufficient for the vines to become a Navarr archetype, provided that the vines can ensure that they can communicate that clearly to the archetype.