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	===Questions of Pride===		===Questions of Pride===
	The Order of the Gilded Sceptre have planted their flag firmly, claiming that defending the people of Tsark is [[glory\|glorious]] thing to do. This has ~~lead~~ to rumblings in other nations as well - there are those in [[Wintermark]] who consider protecting people to be significantly more [[heroism\|heroic]] than stealing from them while some among the [[Imperial Orcs]] question whether it can be right to attack a population where orcs and humans appear to be living in harmony just to take their wealth. On the other hand, [[Free Company\|Free Companies]] in [[the League]] and [[Varushka_military_concerns#Wagon_Raiders_and_Sell_Swords\|wagon raiders]] in [[Varushka]] alike argue that mercenary work is mercenary work and if these people did not want their wealth taken, they should protect it better. There are also questions about whether a pre-emptive strike is not a bad idea in general.		The Order of the Gilded Sceptre have planted their flag firmly, claiming that defending the people of Tsark is [[glory\|glorious]] thing to do. This has led to rumblings in other nations as well - there are those in [[Wintermark]] who consider protecting people to be significantly more [[heroism\|heroic]] than stealing from them while some among the [[Imperial Orcs]] question whether it can be right to attack a population where orcs and humans appear to be living in harmony just to take their wealth. On the other hand, [[Free Company\|Free Companies]] in [[the League]] and [[Varushka_military_concerns#Wagon_Raiders_and_Sell_Swords\|wagon raiders]] in [[Varushka]] alike argue that mercenary work is mercenary work and if these people did not want their wealth taken, they should protect it better. There are also questions about whether a pre-emptive strike is not a bad idea in general.

	There are currently no mandates for the [[Assembly#The_National_Assemblies\|national assemblies]] to raise that support either the raid, or the defence against it. Any priest could, however, use the alternate mandate rules to submit a suitably worded mandate that urges their people to either defend the folk of Tsark, or to participate in the raid against them. As long as the wording is clear, it is likely that such mandates will require 25 liao, and grant any member of the nation who takes the approved action a +1 rank bonus, while providing a -1 rank penalty to anyone who takes the other action.		There are currently no mandates for the [[Assembly#The_National_Assemblies\|national assemblies]] to raise that support either the raid, or the defence against it. Any priest could, however, use the alternate mandate rules to submit a suitably worded mandate that urges their people to either defend the folk of Tsark, or to participate in the raid against them. As long as the wording is clear, it is likely that such mandates will require 25 liao, and grant any member of the nation who takes the approved action a +1 rank bonus, while providing a -1 rank penalty to anyone who takes the other action.

Responsible1: /* Questions of Virtue */

2022-08-06T10:24:41Z

Questions of Virtue

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	A different mandate submitted by Tom Keeper, of Copperhill urges citizens to avoid any involvement with the raid, on either side of the fight.		A different mandate submitted by Tom Keeper, of Copperhill urges citizens to avoid any involvement with the raid, on either side of the fight.

	{{Mandate\|mandate=We shall not aid a slaving nation raid foreigners, but neither should we defend the unvigilant, who's inaction leave guard posts empty, we send (named priest) with x ~~does~~ of Liao to urge captains to ignore the Mountains of the moon this season, and join in the prosperous raiding of a slaving Barbarians, Raid Skallahn.\|assembly=General Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=We shall not aid a slaving nation raid foreigners, but neither should we defend the unvigilant, who's inaction leave guard posts empty, we send (named priest) with x doses of Liao to urge captains to ignore the Mountains of the moon this season, and join in the prosperous raiding of a slaving Barbarians, Raid Skallahn.\|assembly=General Assembly}}

	If this mandate is upheld, then any military unit that takes part in the raid on either side will receive a -1 rank penalty when they do so.		If this mandate is upheld, then any military unit that takes part in the raid on either side will receive a -1 rank penalty when they do so.

Matt: /* Questions of Virtue */

2022-07-27T12:02:12Z

Questions of Virtue

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	If this mandate is upheld, then it will inspire a number of mercenaries, wagon raiders, and reavers to take up Paymaster Muireall's offer. A flat 1000 points of strength will be added to the raider's force, and any military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.		If this mandate is upheld, then it will inspire a number of mercenaries, wagon raiders, and reavers to take up Paymaster Muireall's offer. A flat 1000 points of strength will be added to the raider's force, and any military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.

	~~These two mandates are in competition~~ with ~~each other; if both are raised and both pass then only~~ the ~~one that achieves~~ the ~~greatest margin will be effective~~.		A different mandate submitted by Tom Keeper, of Copperhill urges citizens to avoid any involvement with the raid, on either side of the fight.

	As ever ~~this~~ effects will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority. However '''Herminius''' has asked the Urizen Assembly to judge their own mandate on this issue.		{{Mandate\|mandate=We shall not aid a slaving nation raid foreigners, but neither should we defend the unvigilant, who's inaction leave guard posts empty, we send (named priest) with x does of Liao to urge captains to ignore the Mountains of the moon this season, and join in the prosperous raiding of a slaving Barbarians, Raid Skallahn.\|assembly=General Assembly}}

			If this mandate is upheld, then any military unit that takes part in the raid on either side will receive a -1 rank penalty when they do so.

			These three mandates are in competition with each other; if both are raised and both pass then only the one that achieves the greatest margin will be effective.

			As ever these effects will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority. However '''Herminius''' has asked the Urizen Assembly to judge their own mandate on this issue.

	{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. As a National Assembly we encouraged trade with the Grendel, trade comes in many forms. Embracing this opportunity will show that there is more prosperity for the Grendel in trading with the Empire when revisiting the negotiation table in the coming seasons. We send (named priest) with 25 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. As a National Assembly we encouraged trade with the Grendel, trade comes in many forms. Embracing this opportunity will show that there is more prosperity for the Grendel in trading with the Empire when revisiting the negotiation table in the coming seasons. We send (named priest) with 25 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}

Hailmur: /* The Paymaster's Plan */

2022-07-26T15:00:08Z

The Paymaster's Plan

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	==The Paymaster's Plan==		==The Paymaster's Plan==
	*'''Paymaster Muireall will take full responsibility for the raid'''		*'''Paymaster Muireall will take full responsibility for the raid'''
	'''Paymaster Muireall''' has staked all her personal wealth, and that of an unknown number of investors, on the raid being a success. She is confident her forces will breach the Mountains but lacks the pure numbers to really make the most of the situation. The [[fortification\|fortifications]] of the Mountains of the Moon make it difficult for actual armies to gain any sort of beachhead (in Naucini alone it would need multiple armies just to counteract the influence of the fortification). Smaller forces, working in concert however will be able to take the higher passes, bypassing the strongest fortifications and guardhouses that prevent anyone from outside reaching the people of Tsark.		''Paymaster Muireall'' has staked all her personal wealth, and that of an unknown number of investors, on the raid being a success. She is confident her forces will breach the Mountains but lacks the pure numbers to really make the most of the situation. The [[fortification\|fortifications]] of the Mountains of the Moon make it difficult for actual armies to gain any sort of beachhead (in Naucini alone it would need multiple armies just to counteract the influence of the fortification). Smaller forces, working in concert however will be able to take the higher passes, bypassing the strongest fortifications and guardhouses that prevent anyone from outside reaching the people of Tsark.

	The plan is to that Imperial [[military unit\|military units]] will make their own way to [[Spiral#Ossuary\|Ossuary]] in [[Spiral]]. The mercenaries will spend as little time there as possible before crossing the peaks to the east and making their way down to [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Naucini\|Naucini]], bypassing the [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Maze_of_Zora_and_the_Mislitel_Pass\|Mislitel Pass]]. After that, with sufficient numbers and the element of surprise, the mercenaries will be able to capture [[Mountains of the Moon#Mountains_of_the_Moon#Krug_and_the_Disc_of_the_Ogledano\|Krug and the Disc of the Ogledano]] and from there move south into [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Borenj\|Borenj]] and claim the bounty of [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Kamen_Quarry\|Kamen Quarry]].		The plan is to that Imperial [[military unit\|military units]] will make their own way to [[Spiral#Ossuary\|Ossuary]] in [[Spiral]]. The mercenaries will spend as little time there as possible before crossing the peaks to the east and making their way down to [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Naucini\|Naucini]], bypassing the [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Maze_of_Zora_and_the_Mislitel_Pass\|Mislitel Pass]]. After that, with sufficient numbers and the element of surprise, the mercenaries will be able to capture [[Mountains of the Moon#Mountains_of_the_Moon#Krug_and_the_Disc_of_the_Ogledano\|Krug and the Disc of the Ogledano]] and from there move south into [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Borenj\|Borenj]] and claim the bounty of [[Mountains_of_the_Moon#Kamen_Quarry\|Kamen Quarry]].

Noserenda: /* Questions of Virtue */

2022-07-25T21:26:39Z

Questions of Virtue

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	As ever this effects will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority. However '''Herminius''' has asked the Urizen Assembly to judge their own mandate on this issue.		As ever this effects will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority. However '''Herminius''' has asked the Urizen Assembly to judge their own mandate on this issue.

	{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. As a National Assembly we encouraged trade with the Grendel, trade comes in many forms. Embracing this opportunity will show that there is more prosperity for the Grendel in trading with the Empire when revisiting the negotiation table in the coming seasons.We send (named priest) with 25 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. As a National Assembly we encouraged trade with the Grendel, trade comes in many forms. Embracing this opportunity will show that there is more prosperity for the Grendel in trading with the Empire when revisiting the negotiation table in the coming seasons. We send (named priest) with 25 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}

	If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will be open to the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall's. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.		If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will be open to the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall's. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.
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	If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will reject the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a -1 rank penalty when they do so.		If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will reject the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a -1 rank penalty when they do so.

	The mandates of Herminius and Able the Taller are, of course, [[Mandate#Competing_Mandates\|in competition]] with each other.		The mandates of Herminius and Able the Taller are, of course, [[Mandate#Competing_Mandates\|in competition]] with each other.

	===Questions of Pride===		===Questions of Pride===

Rafferty: /* Questions of Virtue */

2022-07-25T21:24:29Z

Questions of Virtue

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	If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will be open to the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall's. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.		If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will be open to the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall's. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.

			In response to this proposed Mandate, '''Able the Taller''' has proposed that the Urizen Assembly judge a different approach.

			{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our Allies, but this is not the time to Strike at Tsark. The War in Zenith has reached a critical juncture. The perfect moment to Strike and regain our homes is now. We send [named priest] with 25 doses of Liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to show their Pride and instead commit to the retaking of Zenith..\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}

			If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will reject the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a -1 rank penalty when they do so.

			The mandates of Herminius and Able the Taller are, of course, [[Mandate#Competing_Mandates\|in competition]] with each other.

	===Questions of Pride===		===Questions of Pride===

Novemberalice: /* Overview */

2022-07-24T16:33:34Z

Overview

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	<div style="float:left; width: 600px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Roll and fall.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Penetrating the [[Mountains of the Moon]] via one of the lowland passes would require multiple armies to lay siege to the grand [[fortification\|fortifications]] that guard them. A smaller, more agile force however could try sneak over the high peaks and take the people of [[Tsark]] by surprise.\|width=600}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 600px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Roll and fall.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Penetrating the [[Mountains of the Moon]] via one of the lowland passes would require multiple armies to lay siege to the grand [[fortification\|fortifications]] that guard them. A smaller, more agile force however could try sneak over the high peaks and take the people of [[Tsark]] by surprise.\|width=600}}</div>
	==Overview==		==Overview==
			{{Audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ifX-gfiTDg}}
	* '''A Grendel Paymaster is planning to raid the Mountains of the Moon and has approached the Empire with an opportunity'''		* '''A Grendel Paymaster is planning to raid the Mountains of the Moon and has approached the Empire with an opportunity'''
	* '''A Dawnish knightly order is recruiting people to oppose the Grendel raid'''		* '''A Dawnish knightly order is recruiting people to oppose the Grendel raid'''

Rafferty: /* Questions of Virtue */

2022-07-24T12:00:10Z

Questions of Virtue

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	These two mandates are in competition with each other; if both are raised and both pass then only the one that achieves the greatest margin will be effective.		These two mandates are in competition with each other; if both are raised and both pass then only the one that achieves the greatest margin will be effective.

	As ever this effects will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority. However Herminius has asked the Urizen Assembly to judge their own mandate on this issue.		As ever this effects will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority. However '''Herminius''' has asked the Urizen Assembly to judge their own mandate on this issue.

	{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. As a National Assembly we encouraged trade with the Grendel, trade comes in many forms. Embracing this opportunity will show that there is more prosperity for the Grendel in trading with the Empire when revisiting the negotiation table in the coming seasons.We send (named priest) with 25 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. As a National Assembly we encouraged trade with the Grendel, trade comes in many forms. Embracing this opportunity will show that there is more prosperity for the Grendel in trading with the Empire when revisiting the negotiation table in the coming seasons.We send (named priest) with 25 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}

Matt: /* Questions of Virtue */

2022-07-24T11:58:33Z

Questions of Virtue

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	Alternatively, the Synod could back the raid against the Mountains of the Moon and give its blessing to those prepared to work for the Grendel. Those who support this viewpoint say that Prosperity does not judge.		Alternatively, the Synod could back the raid against the Mountains of the Moon and give its blessing to those prepared to work for the Grendel. Those who support this viewpoint say that Prosperity does not judge.
	{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies; they are not even our friends. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. Those prepared to work hard for Grendel coin are no different to those who work hard for any other payment, while the vigilant know the best time to strike against a future threat is ''now''. We send (named priest) with 50 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=General Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies; they are not even our friends. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. Those prepared to work hard for Grendel coin are no different to those who work hard for any other payment, while the vigilant know the best time to strike against a future threat is ''now''. We send (named priest) with 50 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=General Assembly}}
	If this mandate is upheld, then it will inspire a number of mercenaries, wagon raiders, and reavers to take up Paymaster Muireall's offer. A flat 1000 points of strength will be added to the raider's force, and any military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so~~. As before, however, this bonus will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority~~.		If this mandate is upheld, then it will inspire a number of mercenaries, wagon raiders, and reavers to take up Paymaster Muireall's offer. A flat 1000 points of strength will be added to the raider's force, and any military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.

	These two mandates are in competition with each other; if both are raised and both pass then only the one that achieves the greatest margin will be effective.		These two mandates are in competition with each other; if both are raised and both pass then only the one that achieves the greatest margin will be effective.

			As ever this effects will only apply to military units from Urizen or Varushka if the mandate achieves a greater majority. However Herminius has asked the Urizen Assembly to judge their own mandate on this issue.

			{{Mandate\|mandate=The people of the Mountains of the Moon are not our allies. They hoard their wealth and show all the signs of embracing malign spiritual forces. As a National Assembly we encouraged trade with the Grendel, trade comes in many forms. Embracing this opportunity will show that there is more prosperity for the Grendel in trading with the Empire when revisiting the negotiation table in the coming seasons.We send (named priest) with 25 doses of liao to urge any who wish to take up the offer of Paymaster Muireall to raid the Mountains of the Moon to embrace this opportunity to enrich themselves and the Empire.\|assembly=Urizen Assembly}}

			If this mandate is upheld with a greater majority, then sentinels and sword scholars will be open to the idea of trade with Paymaster Muireall's. Any Urizeni military unit that takes the ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' action will receive a +1 rank bonus when they do so.

	===Questions of Pride===		===Questions of Pride===

Vsabo: /* Results */

2022-07-23T22:13:05Z

Results

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	Without Imperial assistance, Paymaster Muireall's raid effectively has 10,000 strength. If the Empire does not get involved her forces will make it through the mountains and into the Mountains of the Moon. They will raid the region of Borenj - claiming an amount of white granite - but be unable to push further into the territory. Military units that ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' increase the effective strength of the raid, while those that ''Defend the people of Tsark'' deduct their effective strength from that of the raid. The outcome depends on how much strength is accumulated.		Without Imperial assistance, Paymaster Muireall's raid effectively has 10,000 strength. If the Empire does not get involved her forces will make it through the mountains and into the Mountains of the Moon. They will raid the region of Borenj - claiming an amount of white granite - but be unable to push further into the territory. Military units that ''Raid the Mountains of the Moon'' increase the effective strength of the raid, while those that ''Defend the people of Tsark'' deduct their effective strength from that of the raid. The outcome depends on how much strength is accumulated.

	In each case the monetary rewards for those taking place in the raid are cumulative - if the raid achieves a total of 18,000 strength for example each military unit working for the Grendel receives 3 crowns, 2 mana crystals, 2 doses of random herbs and a dose of Zaboravi on top of the money being offered by Paymaster Muireall.		In each case the monetary rewards for those taking place in the raid are cumulative - if the raid achieves a total of 18,000 strength for example each military unit working for the Grendel receives 3 crowns, 2 mana crystals, 2 doses of random herbs, and a dose of Zaboravi on top of the money being offered by Paymaster Muireall.

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