https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/mediawiki-public/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Propose_treaty_with_Axos_Spring_384YE 2026-04-13T03:48:14Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.39.6 https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/mediawiki-public/index.php?title=Propose_treaty_with_Axos_Spring_384YE&diff=136040&oldid=prev 2026-03-23T14:17:00Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:17, 23 March 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l21">Line 21:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 21:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As a consequence, the motion has no legally binding implications. Any treaty arising from these discussions will still need to be ratified by the Senate. While it may be useful for the Imperial Senate to express a view on a treaty; even if the Axou were able to reply in time to confirm that they agreed to the exact wording of the treaty presented to the Senate there is no way it would be &quot;executed immediately&quot; in the way the motion seems to suggest. In theory, an attempt to pre-approve a treaty could be interpreted as an attempt to [[List_of_Criminal_Offences#Crimes_against_the_Processes_of_the_State|subvert the agencies of state]] because it has not been negotiated with authorised representatives of a foreign nation.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As a consequence, the motion has no legally binding implications. Any treaty arising from these discussions will still need to be ratified by the Senate. While it may be useful for the Imperial Senate to express a view on a treaty; even if the Axou were able to reply in time to confirm that they agreed to the exact wording of the treaty presented to the Senate there is no way it would be &quot;executed immediately&quot; in the way the motion seems to suggest. In theory, an attempt to pre-approve a treaty could be interpreted as an attempt to [[List_of_Criminal_Offences#Crimes_against_the_Processes_of_the_State|subvert the agencies of state]] because it has not been negotiated with authorised representatives of a foreign nation.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In addition, Gerard <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">le </del>Salle, the Auditor of the Imperial Treasury, is of the opinion that it is not possible to pass a motion to change [[tariffs]] at some point in the future - which this treaty would effectively do. A motion can be used to change the tariffs a nation pays, and a second motion would need to be passed in the future to change them again. He also expresses concerns that changing tariffs for a single season is unlikely to have a great effect other than to remove money from the Imperial treasury.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In addition, Gerard <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">La </ins>Salle, the Auditor of the Imperial Treasury, is of the opinion that it is not possible to pass a motion to change [[tariffs]] at some point in the future - which this treaty would effectively do. A motion can be used to change the tariffs a nation pays, and a second motion would need to be passed in the future to change them again. He also expresses concerns that changing tariffs for a single season is unlikely to have a great effect other than to remove money from the Imperial treasury.</div></td></tr> </table>

Twiggy https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/mediawiki-public/index.php?title=Propose_treaty_with_Axos_Spring_384YE&diff=95123&oldid=prev 2022-08-31T09:36:02Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:36, 31 August 2022</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Senate Motion]][[Category:384YE Spring]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Senate Motion]][[Category:384YE Spring]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>__NOTOC__</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>__NOTOC__</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&lt;quote by=&quot;Proposed: Sarvos. Seconded: Madruga.&gt;Motion to empower the Ambassador to Axos to offer the following treaty which will be executed immediately if accepted by Ilarch <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Maxatious</del>. &lt;/quote&gt;</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&lt;quote by=&quot;Proposed: Sarvos. Seconded: Madruga.&gt;Motion to empower the Ambassador to Axos to offer the following treaty which will be executed immediately if accepted by Ilarch <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Maxatios</ins>. &lt;/quote&gt;</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Outcome==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Outcome==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This motion was presented as a potential [[Ambassador#Treaty|treaty]] by the [[Ambassador to Axos]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This motion was presented as a potential [[Ambassador#Treaty|treaty]] by the [[Ambassador to Axos]]</div></td></tr> </table>

Rosemary https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/mediawiki-public/index.php?title=Propose_treaty_with_Axos_Spring_384YE&diff=93193&oldid=prev 2022-07-13T18:14:52Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Constitution: </span> sp</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:14, 13 July 2022</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l17">Line 17:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 17:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This motion received additional scrutiny from the Constitutional Court.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* This motion received additional scrutiny from the Constitutional Court.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Constitution==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Constitution==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>An Imperial [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ambassaor</del>]] can [[Ambassador#Treaty|present a treaty for ratification]] &#039;&#039;&quot;only when the civil service have confirmed that it is a genuinely negotiated treaty with members of that nation&quot;&#039;&#039;. During [[scrutiny]], the Constitutional Court have identified that this is not a legally valid treaty because it has not yet been agreed by the appropriate representatives of that nation - it is a proposal presented for the Senate to express an opinion on.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>An Imperial [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ambassador</ins>]] can [[Ambassador#Treaty|present a treaty for ratification]] &#039;&#039;&quot;only when the civil service have confirmed that it is a genuinely negotiated treaty with members of that nation&quot;&#039;&#039;. During [[scrutiny]], the Constitutional Court have identified that this is not a legally valid treaty because it has not yet been agreed by the appropriate representatives of that nation - it is a proposal presented for the Senate to express an opinion on.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As a consequence, the motion has no legally binding implications. Any treaty arising from these discussions will still need to be ratified by the Senate. While it may be useful for the Imperial Senate to express a view on a treaty; even if the Axou were able to reply in time to confirm that they agreed to the exact wording of the treaty presented to the Senate there is no way it would be &quot;executed immediately&quot; in the way the motion seems to suggest. In theory, an attempt to pre-approve a treaty could be interpreted as an attempt to [[List_of_Criminal_Offences#Crimes_against_the_Processes_of_the_State|subvert the agencies of state]] because it has not been negotiated with authorised representatives of a foreign nation.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As a consequence, the motion has no legally binding implications. Any treaty arising from these discussions will still need to be ratified by the Senate. While it may be useful for the Imperial Senate to express a view on a treaty; even if the Axou were able to reply in time to confirm that they agreed to the exact wording of the treaty presented to the Senate there is no way it would be &quot;executed immediately&quot; in the way the motion seems to suggest. In theory, an attempt to pre-approve a treaty could be interpreted as an attempt to [[List_of_Criminal_Offences#Crimes_against_the_Processes_of_the_State|subvert the agencies of state]] because it has not been negotiated with authorised representatives of a foreign nation.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In addition, Gerard le Salle, the Auditor of the Imperial Treasury, is of the opinion that it is not possible to pass a motion to change [[tariffs]] at some point in the future - which this treaty would effectively do. A motion can be used to change the tariffs a nation pays, and a second motion would need to be passed in the future to change them again. He also expresses concerns that changing tariffs for a single season is unlikely to have a great effect other than to remove money from the Imperial treasury.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In addition, Gerard le Salle, the Auditor of the Imperial Treasury, is of the opinion that it is not possible to pass a motion to change [[tariffs]] at some point in the future - which this treaty would effectively do. A motion can be used to change the tariffs a nation pays, and a second motion would need to be passed in the future to change them again. He also expresses concerns that changing tariffs for a single season is unlikely to have a great effect other than to remove money from the Imperial treasury.</div></td></tr> </table>

Emmanovi https://www.profounddecisions.co.uk/mediawiki-public/index.php?title=Propose_treaty_with_Axos_Spring_384YE&diff=93192&oldid=prev 2022-07-13T17:28:39Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:28, 13 July 2022</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Senate Motion]][[Category:384YE Spring]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Senate Motion]][[Category:384YE Spring]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>__NOTOC__</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>__NOTOC__</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{stub}}</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&lt;quote by=&quot;Proposed: Sarvos. Seconded: Madruga.&gt;Motion to empower the Ambassador to Axos to offer the following treaty which will be executed immediately if accepted by Ilarch Maxatious. &lt;/quote&gt;</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&lt;quote by=&quot;Proposed: Sarvos. Seconded: Madruga.&gt;Motion to empower the Ambassador to Axos to offer the following treaty which will be executed immediately if accepted by Ilarch Maxatious. &lt;/quote&gt;</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Outcome==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Outcome==</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l16">Line 16:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 15:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Axos commits to restoring normal trade and ministry functioning</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Axos commits to restoring normal trade and ministry functioning</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Outcome==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Outcome==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">TBC</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This motion received additional scrutiny from the Constitutional Court.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Constitution==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Constitution==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* This motion received additional </del>[[scrutiny]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">from </del>the Constitutional Court.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">An Imperial [[ambassaor]] can [[Ambassador#Treaty|present a treaty for ratification]] &#039;&#039;&quot;only when the civil service have confirmed that it is a genuinely negotiated treaty with members of that nation&quot;&#039;&#039;. During </ins>[[scrutiny]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>the Constitutional Court <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have identified that this is not a legally valid treaty because it has not yet been agreed by the appropriate representatives of that nation - it is a proposal presented for the Senate to express an opinion on.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">As a consequence, the motion has no legally binding implications. Any treaty arising from these discussions will still need to be ratified by the Senate. While it may be useful for the Imperial Senate to express a view on a treaty; even if the Axou were able to reply in time to confirm that they agreed to the exact wording of the treaty presented to the Senate there is no way it would be &quot;executed immediately&quot; in the way the motion seems to suggest. In theory, an attempt to pre-approve a treaty could be interpreted as an attempt to [[List_of_Criminal_Offences#Crimes_against_the_Processes_of_the_State|subvert the agencies of state]] because it has not been negotiated with authorised representatives of a foreign nation.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In addition, Gerard le Salle, the Auditor of the Imperial Treasury, is of the opinion that it is not possible to pass a motion to change [[tariffs]] at some point in the future - which this treaty would effectively do. A motion can be used to change the tariffs a nation pays, and a second motion would need to be passed in the future to change them again. He also expresses concerns that changing tariffs for a single season is unlikely to have a great effect other than to remove money from the Imperial treasury</ins>.</div></td></tr> </table>

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