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	<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>		#REDIRECT [[Imperial_Conclave#Principle_of_Precedence]]
	~~==The Principle==~~
	The Principle of Presence states that an individual wishing to vote or address the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[Conclave address\|address]] or [[declaration]] must do so in person; they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.

	~~==Application==~~
	~~An individual who is [[Conclave_session~~#Speaking_before_the_Conclave\|speaking before the Conclave]] is legally forbidden to claim to be speaking on behalf of another individual or Imperial citizen. Heralds may not legally claim to represent their Eternal patrons, Imperial citizens may not claim to be speaking for a Senator, General or similar individual. If such an individual wishes to address the Conclave, they are required to present themselves before the Conclave to do so.

	It has always been difficult for civil servants to legally enforce the principle and many speakers are adept at communicating their political patronage or support where it exists. However an open claim to be speaking on another's behalf can result in the speaker being corrected by the civil servants present - or in the speaker being shouted down by the assembled Conclave.

	~~Application of the principle is critical for presentations.~~

	~~===Presentations===~~
	~~Every~~ [[~~Conclave_session~~#Setting_the_Agenda\|agenda]] item grants one free minute to make a presentation, any further time must be [[Principle of Proportions\|paid for in mana]]. Only the person who raised the address to the agenda is legally allowed to make the presentation, no other character may speak in their stead. A group of magicians must select a spokesperson, and have that person present the address to the agenda.

	~~If the person who raised the agenda item is not present, the civil servant announces the item as it is recorded on the agenda and then moves directly to the debate.~~

	~~==Intention==~~
	Citizens may freely trade mana crystals amongst themselves, so the limitations imposed by this principle are very slight for most '''magicians'''. However the principle is intended to ensure the independence of the Conclave, by presenting significant barriers to any non-magician who wishes the Conclave to hear what they have to say. The Senate may make pronouncements, but only a senator who is also a magician can easily come to the Conclave to speak directly.

	Critics argue that this makes it difficult for the Conclave to know what the [[Imperial Senate\|Senate]], [[Imperial Synod\|Synod]], [[Imperial_Military_Council\|Military Council]] or [[Imperial Bourse\|Bourse]] has to say. The counter-argument is that interested magicians can easily converse with other Imperial citizens and then present those arguments as their own if they are convinced by them.

	~~The principle also means that being able to speak effectively in front of the assembled Conclave remains a critical skill for an archmage or Warmage.~~
	~~{{Conclave further reading}}~~
	~~[[Category:Conclave~~]]

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Intention

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	Citizens may freely trade mana crystals amongst themselves, so the limitations imposed by this principle are very slight for most '''magicians'''. However the principle is intended to ensure the independence of the Conclave, by presenting significant barriers to any non-magician who wishes the Conclave to hear what they have to say. The Senate may make pronouncements, but only a senator who is also a magician can easily come to the Conclave to speak directly.		Citizens may freely trade mana crystals amongst themselves, so the limitations imposed by this principle are very slight for most '''magicians'''. However the principle is intended to ensure the independence of the Conclave, by presenting significant barriers to any non-magician who wishes the Conclave to hear what they have to say. The Senate may make pronouncements, but only a senator who is also a magician can easily come to the Conclave to speak directly.

	Critics argue that this makes it difficult for the Conclave to know what the [[Imperial Senate\|Senate]], [[Imperial Synod\|Synod]], [[~~Imperial Miltiary Council~~\|~~Miltiary~~ Council]] or [[Imperial Bourse\|Bourse]] has to say. The counter-argument is that interested magicians can easily converse with other Imperial citizens and then present those arguments as their own if they are convinced by them.		Critics argue that this makes it difficult for the Conclave to know what the [[Imperial Senate\|Senate]], [[Imperial Synod\|Synod]], [[Imperial_Military_Council\|Military Council]] or [[Imperial Bourse\|Bourse]] has to say. The counter-argument is that interested magicians can easily converse with other Imperial citizens and then present those arguments as their own if they are convinced by them.

	The principle also means that being able to speak effectively in front of the assembled Conclave remains a critical skill for an archmage or Warmage.		The principle also means that being able to speak effectively in front of the assembled Conclave remains a critical skill for an archmage or Warmage.
	{{Conclave further reading}}		{{Conclave further reading}}
	[[Category:Conclave]]		[[Category:Conclave]]

Paulwilder at 18:58, 29 June 2022

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	<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>		<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>
	==The Principle==		==The Principle==
	The Principle of Presence states that an individual ~~addressing~~ the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[Conclave address\|address]] or [[declaration]] must do so in person, they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.		The Principle of Presence states that an individual wishing to vote or address the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[Conclave address\|address]] or [[declaration]] must do so in person; they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.

	==Application==		==Application==

Rafferty at 11:35, 22 March 2018

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	The principle also means that being able to speak effectively in front of the assembled Conclave remains a critical skill for an archmage or Warmage.		The principle also means that being able to speak effectively in front of the assembled Conclave remains a critical skill for an archmage or Warmage.
			{{Conclave further reading}}
	[[Category:Conclave]]		[[Category:Conclave]]

Rafferty: Still removing gambits

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Still removing gambits

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	<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>		<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>
	==The Principle==		==The Principle==
	The Principle of Presence states that an individual addressing the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[Conclave address\|address]], [[declaration~~]], or [[gambit~~]] must do so in person, they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.		The Principle of Presence states that an individual addressing the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[Conclave address\|address]] or [[declaration]] must do so in person, they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.

	==Application==		==Application==
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	It has always been difficult for civil servants to legally enforce the principle and many speakers are adept at communicating their political patronage or support where it exists. However an open claim to be speaking on another's behalf can result in the speaker being corrected by the civil servants present - or in the speaker being shouted down by the assembled Conclave.		It has always been difficult for civil servants to legally enforce the principle and many speakers are adept at communicating their political patronage or support where it exists. However an open claim to be speaking on another's behalf can result in the speaker being corrected by the civil servants present - or in the speaker being shouted down by the assembled Conclave.

	Application of the principle is critical for presentations ~~and for gambits~~.		Application of the principle is critical for presentations.

	===Presentations===		===Presentations===
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	If the person who raised the agenda item is not present, the civil servant announces the item as it is recorded on the agenda and then moves directly to the debate.		If the person who raised the agenda item is not present, the civil servant announces the item as it is recorded on the agenda and then moves directly to the debate.

	~~===Gambits===~~
	Only individuals with specific Imperial titles - an [[archmage]] or the [[Warmage]] - have the legal power to raise a gambit. The holder of the title can nominate a proxy to act on their behalf to raise the gambit, but the gambit is still considered to be raised by the office-holder - they cannot nominate a proxy to speak before the Conclave on their behalf. If an archmage can not or does not wish to make the free presentation of their gambit then the gambit proceeds as normal but without any presentation.

	==Intention==		==Intention==

Rafferty at 16:42, 15 July 2014

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	<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>		<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>
	==The Principle==		==The Principle==
	The Principle of Presence states that an individual addressing the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[address]], [[declaration]], or [[gambit]] must do so in person, they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.		The Principle of Presence states that an individual addressing the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[Conclave address\|address]], [[declaration]], or [[gambit]] must do so in person, they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.

	==Application==		==Application==

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<quote by="Iñes i Guerra">Of course we would be honoured to listen to her Imperial Majesty speak. But as she has declined to present herself before this Conclave, I'm afraid I have no interest at all in hearing ''you'' speak.</quote>
==The Principle==
The Principle of Presence states that an individual addressing the [[Imperial Conclave]] on an [[address]], [[declaration]], or [[gambit]] must do so in person, they may not send a proxy to speak in their place.

==Application==
An individual who is [[Conclave_session#Speaking_before_the_Conclave|speaking before the Conclave]] is legally forbidden to claim to be speaking on behalf of another individual or Imperial citizen. Heralds may not legally claim to represent their Eternal patrons, Imperial citizens may not claim to be speaking for a Senator, General or similar individual. If such an individual wishes to address the Conclave, they are required to present themselves before the Conclave to do so.

It has always been difficult for civil servants to legally enforce the principle and many speakers are adept at communicating their political patronage or support where it exists. However an open claim to be speaking on another's behalf can result in the speaker being corrected by the civil servants present - or in the speaker being shouted down by the assembled Conclave.

Application of the principle is critical for presentations and for gambits.

===Presentations===
Every [[Conclave_session#Setting_the_Agenda|agenda]] item grants one free minute to make a presentation, any further time must be [[Principle of Proportions|paid for in mana]]. Only the person who raised the address to the agenda is legally allowed to make the presentation, no other character may speak in their stead. A group of magicians must select a spokesperson, and have that person present the address to the agenda.

If the person who raised the agenda item is not present, the civil servant announces the item as it is recorded on the agenda and then moves directly to the debate.

===Gambits===
Only individuals with specific Imperial titles - an [[archmage]] or the [[Warmage]] - have the legal power to raise a gambit. The holder of the title can nominate a proxy to act on their behalf to raise the gambit, but the gambit is still considered to be raised by the office-holder - they cannot nominate a proxy to speak before the Conclave on their behalf. If an archmage can not or does not wish to make the free presentation of their gambit then the gambit proceeds as normal but without any presentation.

==Intention==
Citizens may freely trade mana crystals amongst themselves, so the limitations imposed by this principle are very slight for most '''magicians'''. However the principle is intended to ensure the independence of the Conclave, by presenting significant barriers to any non-magician who wishes the Conclave to hear what they have to say. The Senate may make pronouncements, but only a senator who is also a magician can easily come to the Conclave to speak directly.

Critics argue that this makes it difficult for the Conclave to know what the [[Imperial Senate|Senate]], [[Imperial Synod|Synod]], [[Imperial Miltiary Council|Miltiary Council]] or [[Imperial Bourse|Bourse]] has to say. The counter-argument is that interested magicians can easily converse with other Imperial citizens and then present those arguments as their own if they are convinced by them.

The principle also means that being able to speak effectively in front of the assembled Conclave remains a critical skill for an archmage or Warmage.

[[Category:Conclave]]