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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

2026-01-15T21:30:31Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

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	The General [[Assembly]] of the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]] has rejected the [[change of doctrine]] proposed by Yael, the [[First Empress]] Reborn. While the vote fell far short of the [[Judgement#Greater_Majority\|greater majority]] it would have needed to become law, the Synod was clearly split - with scores of priests on either side. That split is beginning to be mirrored in the Empire itself.		The General [[Assembly]] of the [[Synod]] has rejected the [[change of doctrine]] proposed by Yael, the [[First Empress]] Reborn. While the vote fell far short of the [[Judgement#Greater_Majority\|greater majority]] it would have needed to become law, the Synod was clearly split - with scores of priests on either side. That split is beginning to be mirrored in the Empire itself.

	Thanks to Eldeen Wulfsdottir, and Corey Wayfarer, the [[Wintermark_religious_beliefs\|Stormcrows]] of [[Wintermark]] and the guides of Navarr are all urging caution advising citizens to talk to their priest before attempting a pilgrimage. But bereft of similar leadership the priests of other nations are unable to offer clear guidance. Citizens are arguing over what to believe.		Thanks to Eldeen Wulfsdottir, and Corey Wayfarer, the [[Wintermark_religious_beliefs\|Stormcrows]] of [[Wintermark]] and the guides of Navarr are all urging caution advising citizens to talk to their priest before attempting a pilgrimage. But bereft of similar leadership the priests of other nations are unable to offer clear guidance. Citizens are arguing over what to believe.

RichardRaynor at 21:17, 1 February 2022

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	The old crow stared at the spot of blood on the cloth. Without really thinking he dabbed it to his cheek again, though the bleeding had long since stopped.		The old crow stared at the spot of blood on the cloth. Without really thinking he dabbed it to his cheek again, though the bleeding had long since stopped.

Matt: First First Empress Link Link

2020-08-03T10:44:45Z

First First Empress Link Link

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	The General [[Assembly]] of the [[Imperial Synod]] has rejected the [[change of doctrine]] proposed by Yael, the First Empress Reborn. While the vote fell far short of the [[Judgement#Greater_Majority\|greater majority]] it would have needed to become law, the Synod was clearly split - with scores of priests on either side. That split is beginning to be mirrored in the Empire itself.		The General [[Assembly]] of the [[Imperial Synod]] has rejected the [[change of doctrine]] proposed by Yael, the [[First Empress]] Reborn. While the vote fell far short of the [[Judgement#Greater_Majority\|greater majority]] it would have needed to become law, the Synod was clearly split - with scores of priests on either side. That split is beginning to be mirrored in the Empire itself.

	Thanks to Eldeen Wulfsdottir, and Corey Wayfarer, the [[Wintermark_religious_beliefs\|Stormcrows]] of [[Wintermark]] and the guides of Navarr are all urging caution advising citizens to talk to their priest before attempting a pilgrimage. But bereft of similar leadership the priests of other nations are unable to offer clear guidance. Citizens are arguing over what to believe.		Thanks to Eldeen Wulfsdottir, and Corey Wayfarer, the [[Wintermark_religious_beliefs\|Stormcrows]] of [[Wintermark]] and the guides of Navarr are all urging caution advising citizens to talk to their priest before attempting a pilgrimage. But bereft of similar leadership the priests of other nations are unable to offer clear guidance. Citizens are arguing over what to believe.

Rafferty at 15:28, 1 November 2018

2018-11-01T15:28:20Z

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	The old crow stared at the spot of blood on the cloth. Without really thinking he dabbed it to his cheek again, though the bleeding had long since stopped.		The old crow stared at the spot of blood on the cloth. Without really thinking he dabbed it to his cheek again, though the bleeding had long since stopped.

Matt: /* Resolution */

2017-06-13T13:51:48Z

Resolution

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	<quote by="Odanava, Varushkan national assembly">The Varushkan National Assembly explicitly rejects Yael as the First Empress Reborn and encourage our people not to listen to her teachings. </quote>		<quote by="Odanava, Varushkan national assembly">The Varushkan National Assembly explicitly rejects Yael as the First Empress Reborn and encourage our people not to listen to her teachings. </quote>
	<quote by="Jonah Yakovitch, League national assembly">The League National Assembly utterly rejects Yael's claim to be the First Empress reborn and urges citizens to ignore her teachings. </quote>		<quote by="Jonah Yakovitch, League national assembly">The League National Assembly utterly rejects Yael's claim to be the First Empress reborn and urges citizens to ignore her teachings. </quote>
			<quote by="Zeno, Stallion's Sibling, Urizen national assembly">The Urizen National Assembly does not accept the teachings of the "Land Without Tears" based on current evidence and does not condone the following of this belief. Citizens are urged to focus on existing doctrine and teachings of the Way.</quote>
	<quote by="Sir Criseyde, Dawn national assembly"> The Troubadours of Dawn hold up the following song as proclamation: Some folk must walk the Labyrinth. To atone for their wrongs. Four thousand winters: Think it not too long. But others through the Labyrinth pass. To a land without tears. As true liao scholarship. Discovered through the years. Dawn's first Empress returned to us. From that happy vale. Reincarnate in the person of Highborn Yael. Blessed be this paragon. Returned from beyond. Raise your voices. And praise her in Song.</quote>		<quote by="Sir Criseyde, Dawn national assembly"> The Troubadours of Dawn hold up the following song as proclamation: Some folk must walk the Labyrinth. To atone for their wrongs. Four thousand winters: Think it not too long. But others through the Labyrinth pass. To a land without tears. As true liao scholarship. Discovered through the years. Dawn's first Empress returned to us. From that happy vale. Reincarnate in the person of Highborn Yael. Blessed be this paragon. Returned from beyond. Raise your voices. And praise her in Song.</quote>

Rafferty: /* The National Assemblies */

2017-06-13T10:11:30Z

The National Assemblies

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	It is a matter of faith.		It is a matter of faith.
			==Resolution==
			Several national assemblies made clear statements in opposition to, or in support of, Yael and her vision.
			<quote by="Wyn. Navarr national assembly">The Navarr Assembly utterly rejects Yael's claim to be the first Empress reborn and urges citizens to ignore her teachings.</quote>
			<quote by="Rane Jorunsdottir,Wintermark national assembly">We reject the claims and teachings of Yael regarding the First Empress and the Golden City. This is on the basis of insufficiently tested and explored evidence behind her, and no reflection of her virtue or intent. We demand she ceases these teachings and urge citizens to disregard them. </quote>
			<quote by="Torsch, Imperial Orcs national assembly">As the rifts in the Empire over Yael's Revelation widen, we urge the Imperial Orcs to look to our own place in the Way; the preachers and people must think and argue on matters of Virtue and Ancestors, not of what lies beyond the Labyrinth.</quote>
			<quote by="Odanava, Varushkan national assembly">The Varushkan National Assembly explicitly rejects Yael as the First Empress Reborn and encourage our people not to listen to her teachings. </quote>
			<quote by="Jonah Yakovitch, League national assembly">The League National Assembly utterly rejects Yael's claim to be the First Empress reborn and urges citizens to ignore her teachings. </quote>
			<quote by="Sir Criseyde, Dawn national assembly"> The Troubadours of Dawn hold up the following song as proclamation: Some folk must walk the Labyrinth. To atone for their wrongs. Four thousand winters: Think it not too long. But others through the Labyrinth pass. To a land without tears. As true liao scholarship. Discovered through the years. Dawn's first Empress returned to us. From that happy vale. Reincarnate in the person of Highborn Yael. Blessed be this paragon. Returned from beyond. Raise your voices. And praise her in Song.</quote>

Hailmur at 21:56, 8 May 2017

2017-05-08T21:56:21Z

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	The old crow stared at the spot of blood on the cloth. Without really thinking he dabbed it to his cheek again, though the bleeding had long since stopped.		The old crow stared at the spot of blood on the cloth. Without really thinking he dabbed it to his cheek again, though the bleeding had long since stopped.

Beeswax: /* The National Assemblies */

2017-04-16T13:01:13Z

The National Assemblies

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	Many citizens have become convinced that the General Assembly is incapable of making a decision about Yael. The spiritual implications of her revelations are extraordinary enough - but more than a few cynics have suggested that the political implications of fully acknowledging the First Empress Reborn are simply too much for the Synod to face.		Many citizens have become convinced that the General Assembly is incapable of making a decision about Yael. The spiritual implications of her revelations are extraordinary enough - but more than a few cynics have suggested that the political implications of fully acknowledging the First Empress Reborn are simply too much for the Synod to face.

	As a result citizens in many nations are growing impatient waiting for the General Assembly to make a decision while it still fails to make a doctrinal position clear They seek a judgement on whether they should embrace Yael's teachings, or reject them - and in this instance the message will have more weight coming from their own people. What the people want is a statement of principle on Yael's teaching from their national assembly.		As a result citizens in many nations are growing impatient waiting for the General Assembly to make a decision while it still fails to make a doctrinal position clear. They seek a judgement on whether they should embrace Yael's teachings, or reject them - and in this instance the message will have more weight coming from their own people. What the people want is a statement of principle on Yael's teaching from their national assembly.

	*While the General Assembly has not passed Doctrine refuting Yael, a [[statement of principle]] passed by any national assembly with a ''greater majority'' that '''explicitly''' accepts ''Yael's claim to be the First Empress Reborn and urges citizens to listen to her revelations'' will create [[Opportunity\|opportunities]] for mandates to fan the flame of Yael's faith in that nation by the spending of liao.		*While the General Assembly has not passed Doctrine refuting Yael, a [[statement of principle]] passed by any national assembly with a ''greater majority'' that '''explicitly''' accepts ''Yael's claim to be the First Empress Reborn and urges citizens to listen to her revelations'' will create [[Opportunity\|opportunities]] for mandates to fan the flame of Yael's faith in that nation by the spending of liao.

Matt at 20:45, 15 April 2017

2017-04-15T20:45:07Z

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	The alternative is to pass a change of doctrine that makes clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation. For example, doctrine is currently silent on whether it is possible or not for a paragon with true knowledge of the Labyrinth to return to exist as flesh and blood. A change of doctrine that asserted that this was not possible would definitively contradict the claims. Some critics of Yael's revelations have argued that visions of true liao can only give access to those memories that we acquire in our mortal shells. A change of doctrine of that nature would directly refute the revelations of the Land Without Tears.		The alternative is to pass a change of doctrine that makes clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation. For example, doctrine is currently silent on whether it is possible or not for a paragon with true knowledge of the Labyrinth to return to exist as flesh and blood. A change of doctrine that asserted that this was not possible would definitively contradict the claims. Some critics of Yael's revelations have argued that visions of true liao can only give access to those memories that we acquire in our mortal shells. A change of doctrine of that nature would directly refute the revelations of the Land Without Tears.
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	<quote by="Statement of principle proposed by Ozren Ivarovich Severyan">The Synod declares that all True Liao Visions touched by Eternal influence are suspect and can not be used as evidence or proof of past life claims, acts of faith, or signs without additional supporting archaeological or archival evidence.		<quote by="Statement of principle proposed by Ozren Ivarovich Severyan">The Synod declares that all True Liao Visions touched by Eternal influence are suspect and can not be used as evidence or proof of past life claims, acts of faith, or signs without additional supporting archaeological or archival evidence.

	And thus the vision received by Yael cannot be trusted.</quote>		And thus the vision received by Yael cannot be trusted.</quote>
	The above Statement of principle, proposed by, Ozren Ivarovich Severyan, would be sufficient to make clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation, ''if it were passed with a greater majority''.		The above Statement of principle, proposed by, Ozren Ivarovich Severyan, would be sufficient to make clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation, ''if it were passed with a greater majority''.
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	The balance of the Synod at the previous summit was not in favour of approving the change - but it is very clear that currently there is no majority in favour of rejecting the First Empress. Those who have spoken against Yael would need to find a way to convince a great many who have taken her side - and that will mean they need to find the precise wording for any change of doctrine that they can agree on. If those who oppose Yael are able to change doctrine with a judgement that is a clear and explicit denial of Yael's vision then the situation will rapidly improve. Most citizens, even many of those who have embraced Yael and made pilgrimage to Highguard will acknowledge the decision of the Synod and reject the First Empress and her vision.		The balance of the Synod at the previous summit was not in favour of approving the change - but it is very clear that currently there is no majority in favour of rejecting the First Empress. Those who have spoken against Yael would need to find a way to convince a great many who have taken her side - and that will mean they need to find the precise wording for any change of doctrine that they can agree on. If those who oppose Yael are able to change doctrine with a judgement that is a clear and explicit denial of Yael's vision then the situation will rapidly improve. Most citizens, even many of those who have embraced Yael and made pilgrimage to Highguard will acknowledge the decision of the Synod and reject the First Empress and her vision.

Matt: /* The General Assembly */

2017-04-15T20:20:47Z

The General Assembly

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	The alternative is to pass a change of doctrine that makes clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation. For example, doctrine is currently silent on whether it is possible or not for a paragon with true knowledge of the Labyrinth to return to exist as flesh and blood. A change of doctrine that asserted that this was not possible would definitively contradict the claims. Some critics of Yael's revelations have argued that visions of true liao can only give access to those memories that we acquire in our mortal shells. A change of doctrine of that nature would directly refute the revelations of the Land Without Tears.		The alternative is to pass a change of doctrine that makes clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation. For example, doctrine is currently silent on whether it is possible or not for a paragon with true knowledge of the Labyrinth to return to exist as flesh and blood. A change of doctrine that asserted that this was not possible would definitively contradict the claims. Some critics of Yael's revelations have argued that visions of true liao can only give access to those memories that we acquire in our mortal shells. A change of doctrine of that nature would directly refute the revelations of the Land Without Tears.

	<quote by="~~Mandate~~ proposed by Ozren Ivarovich Severyan">The Synod declares that all True Liao Visions touched by Eternal influence are suspect and can not be used as evidence or proof of past life claims, acts of faith, or signs without additional supporting archaeological or archival evidence.		<quote by="Statement of principle proposed by Ozren Ivarovich Severyan">The Synod declares that all True Liao Visions touched by Eternal influence are suspect and can not be used as evidence or proof of past life claims, acts of faith, or signs without additional supporting archaeological or archival evidence.

	And thus the vision received by Yael cannot be trusted.</quote>		And thus the vision received by Yael cannot be trusted.</quote>
	The above ~~mandate~~, proposed by, Ozren Ivarovich Severyan, would be sufficient to make clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation.		The above Statement of principle, proposed by, Ozren Ivarovich Severyan, would be sufficient to make clear that the Synod does ''not'' accept Yael's revelation, ''if it were passed with a greater majority''.

	The balance of the Synod at the previous summit was not in favour of approving the change - but it is very clear that currently there is no majority in favour of rejecting the First Empress. Those who have spoken against Yael would need to find a way to convince a great many who have taken her side - and that will mean they need to find the precise wording for any change of doctrine that they can agree on. If those who oppose Yael are able to change doctrine with a judgement that is a clear and explicit denial of Yael's vision then the situation will rapidly improve. Most citizens, even many of those who have embraced Yael and made pilgrimage to Highguard will acknowledge the decision of the Synod and reject the First Empress and her vision.		The balance of the Synod at the previous summit was not in favour of approving the change - but it is very clear that currently there is no majority in favour of rejecting the First Empress. Those who have spoken against Yael would need to find a way to convince a great many who have taken her side - and that will mean they need to find the precise wording for any change of doctrine that they can agree on. If those who oppose Yael are able to change doctrine with a judgement that is a clear and explicit denial of Yael's vision then the situation will rapidly improve. Most citizens, even many of those who have embraced Yael and made pilgrimage to Highguard will acknowledge the decision of the Synod and reject the First Empress and her vision.