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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

2026-01-15T21:27:49Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	{{Audio\|link=https://youtu.be/ef20YMqgwMw}}		{{Audio\|link=https://youtu.be/ef20YMqgwMw}}
	During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Constitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]] and the [[Senate]] might go about doing so.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Constitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Synod]] and the [[Senate]] might go about doing so.

	==All or Nothing==		==All or Nothing==

Hailmur: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

2026-01-15T13:16:11Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	{{Audio\|link=https://youtu.be/ef20YMqgwMw}}		{{Audio\|link=https://youtu.be/ef20YMqgwMw}}
	During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Constitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] might go about doing so.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Constitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[Senate]] might go about doing so.

	==All or Nothing==		==All or Nothing==

Twiggy at 03:03, 11 August 2025

2025-08-11T03:03:47Z

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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	{{Audio\|link=https://youtu.be/ef20YMqgwMw}}		{{Audio\|link=https://youtu.be/ef20YMqgwMw}}
	During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|~~Consitutional~~ Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[Imperial Senate]] might go about doing so.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Constitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[Imperial Senate]] might go about doing so.

	==All or Nothing==		==All or Nothing==

Rafferty at 10:35, 13 July 2022

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	Eligibility for some Imperial titles is based on membership of a specific virtue assembly - for example you must be a member of the Assembly of Courage to be the Cardinal of Courage. That would continue to be the case, but the new rules for calculating who was a member of the assembly would apply if the Senate implement this change. That means that any citizen with a relevant title, such as Cardinal, would be removed from their position if they embraced a different Virtue in downtime.		Eligibility for some Imperial titles is based on membership of a specific virtue assembly - for example you must be a member of the Assembly of Courage to be the Cardinal of Courage. That would continue to be the case, but the new rules for calculating who was a member of the assembly would apply if the Senate implement this change. That means that any citizen with a relevant title, such as Cardinal, would be removed from their position if they embraced a different Virtue in downtime.
			==Resolution==
			The Imperial Senate voted to institute the change to how membership of a Virtue Assembly was determined, from dedication to the virtues [[Congregation#Downtime\|preached]] by a priest between summits.
	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[The price of wisdom]] - the 384YE Spring Wind of Fortune detailing the fraught relationship between the General Assembly and the Virtue Assemblies		* [[The price of wisdom]] - the 384YE Spring Wind of Fortune detailing the fraught relationship between the General Assembly and the Virtue Assemblies

Rafferty: /* Further Reading */

2022-06-13T09:35:15Z

Novemberalice: /* Overview */

2022-05-29T17:33:26Z

Overview

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	<div style="float:left; width: 450px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Trust your inner vision.jpg\|caption=Goran Sokolov Zaytsev has addressed the paradox of orcs becoming exemplars while unable to be part of the very assemblies that recognised them.\|align=left\|width=450}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 450px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Trust your inner vision.jpg\|caption=Goran Sokolov Zaytsev has addressed the paradox of orcs becoming exemplars while unable to be part of the very assemblies that recognised them.\|align=left\|width=450}}</div>
	==Overview==		==Overview==
			{{Audio\|link=https://youtu.be/ef20YMqgwMw}}
	During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Consitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[Imperial Senate]] might go about doing so.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Consitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[Imperial Senate]] might go about doing so.

Beeswax at 19:09, 28 May 2022

2022-05-28T19:09:06Z

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	==All or Nothing==		==All or Nothing==
	<div style="width: 520px; float: right; clear: right; margin-left:10px;" class="ic"><quote by="Imperial Constitution">Those who stand in the Synod shall express the views of their congregation. The Synod will establish assemblies that each may know their virtue and select the most virtuous amongst them to lead. Voting in the Synod will be performed by such assemblies as are rightfully able to weigh the virtue of an action or individual, in accord with their nationality and authority.</quote></div>		<div style="width: 520px; float: right; clear: right; margin-left:10px;" class="ic"><quote by="Imperial Constitution">Those who stand in the Synod shall express the views of their congregation. The Synod will establish assemblies that each may know their virtue and select the most virtuous amongst them to lead. Voting in the Synod will be performed by such assemblies as are rightfully able to weigh the virtue of an action or individual, in accord with their nationality and authority.</quote></div>
	The [[Imperial Constitution]] does not mandate the makeup of the Virtue Assemblies. Indeed, there are some interpretations that argue that it does not necessarily mandate the ''existence'' of the Virtue assemblies at all. The procedures for determining who would be part of which Virtue Assembly were laid down at the formation of the Imperial Synod, in part as a way to allow the [[appointment]] of the eight [[Cardinal\|Cardinals]], but also to provide the virtuous a strong voice in the religious affairs of the Empire outside of national bonds. All those dedicated to a specific virtue were grouped together, with those who chose to be undedicated lending their voice to the Assembly of the Way, which many intended to serve as a counterweight to the virtue assemblies (perhaps underestimating how popular the idea of dedicating to a single virtue would become).		The [[Imperial Constitution]] does not mandate the makeup of the Virtue Assemblies. Indeed, there are some interpretations that argue that it does not necessarily mandate the ''existence'' of the Virtue assemblies at all. The procedures for determining who would be part of which Virtue Assembly were laid down at the formation of the Imperial Synod, in part as a way to allow the [[appointment]] of the eight [[Cardinal\|Cardinals]], but also to provide the virtuous with a strong voice in the religious affairs of the Empire outside of national bonds. All those dedicated to a specific virtue were grouped together, with those who chose to be undedicated lending their voice to the Assembly of the Way, which many intended to serve as a counterweight to the virtue assemblies (perhaps underestimating how popular the idea of dedicating to a single virtue would become).

	Membership is determined by [[dedication]], and before the Imperial Orcs joined the Empire, there was no need for a more complex method of determining membership. Because the Imperial Orcs could not become dedicated, it was taken as read that they would simply become members of the eighth Virtue assembly and at the time this was unquestioned. Goran Sokolov Zaytsev's statement points out how peculiar it appears that the Synod can declare an orc to be an exemplar of a virtue, while denying them a voice in the seven virtue assemblies.		Membership is determined by [[dedication]], and before the Imperial Orcs joined the Empire, there was no need for a more complex method of determining membership. Because the Imperial Orcs could not become dedicated, it was taken as read that they would simply become members of the eighth Virtue assembly and at the time this was unquestioned. Goran Sokolov Zaytsev's statement points out how peculiar it appears that the Synod can declare an orc to be an exemplar of a virtue, while denying them a voice in the seven virtue assemblies.

Rafferty: /* Overview */

2022-05-28T17:48:30Z

Overview

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	<div style="float:left; width: 450px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Trust your inner vision.jpg\|caption=Goran Sokolov Zaytsev has addressed the paradox of orcs becoming exemplars while unable to be part of the very assemblies that recognised them.\|align=left\|width=450}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 450px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Trust your inner vision.jpg\|caption=Goran Sokolov Zaytsev has addressed the paradox of orcs becoming exemplars while unable to be part of the very assemblies that recognised them.\|align=left\|width=450}}</div>
	==Overview==		==Overview==
	During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. ~~With~~ the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement ~~having been~~ upheld with a [[greater majority]], ~~the~~ [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Consitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[Imperial Senate]] might go about doing so.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Goran Sokolov Zaytsev''' raised a [[statement of principle]] in the [[General Assembly]] calling for [[orc]] priests of the Way to receive full recognition as members of the [[Assembly#The_Virtue_Assemblies\|virtue assemblies]]. Currently, membership of a virtue assembly is determined by [[dedication]] - and orcs are unable to become dedicated. As a consequence this limits their participation in the virtue assemblies to the assembly of the Way. While the Varushkan [[Varushka_religious_beliefs#Storytellers\|storyteller]]'s statement was not upheld with a [[greater majority]], it has still attracted some attention. The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional Court\|Consitutional Court]] have been asked to comment on whether the makeup of the virtue assemblies could be altered, and how the [[Imperial Synod]] and the [[Imperial Senate]] might go about doing so.

	==All or Nothing==		==All or Nothing==

Dre at 18:37, 27 May 2022

2022-05-27T18:37:47Z

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	In the view of the Constitutional Court, a change of this nature is not a [[Senate_motion#Constitution\|Constitutional]] matter and does not require [[The_Throne#Constitution\|ratification]]. All that is being changed is how one becomes a member of a Virtue assembly - their fundamental role is not being changed in any way. As such all that is required is a [[Senate motion]] indicating that membership of the Virtue assemblies should be assessed by the civil service alongside the calculation of votes and liao.		In the view of the Constitutional Court, a change of this nature is not a [[Senate_motion#Constitution\|Constitutional]] matter and does not require [[The_Throne#Constitution\|ratification]]. All that is being changed is how one becomes a member of a Virtue assembly - their fundamental role is not being changed in any way. As such all that is required is a [[Senate motion]] indicating that membership of the Virtue assemblies should be assessed by the civil service alongside the calculation of votes and liao.

	Ever cautious, the Court also strongly suggests that the Imperial Synod consider raising a similarly worded statement of principle in the [[General Assembly]] to reassure the Senate that the Synod supports this change. If such a statement achieves a greater majority, it would be a clear indication of the assemblies' support. This step is considered valuable because the original statement - despite ~~it's~~ greater majority - deals exclusively with orcs and as the Court indicates any change to the assemblies must be open to every citizen.		Ever cautious, the Court also strongly suggests that the Imperial Synod consider raising a similarly worded statement of principle in the [[General Assembly]] to reassure the Senate that the Synod supports this change. If such a statement achieves a greater majority, it would be a clear indication of the assemblies' support. This step is considered valuable because the original statement - despite its greater majority - deals exclusively with orcs and as the Court indicates any change to the assemblies must be open to every citizen.

	As a final "safety net" the Court also points out that the [[veto]] can be wielded by the General Assembly should they oppose a change to the way membership of a Virtue Assembly is determined.		As a final "safety net" the Court also points out that the [[veto]] can be wielded by the General Assembly should they oppose a change to the way membership of a Virtue Assembly is determined.

Emmanovi: The Auditor can numbers

2022-05-27T18:20:12Z

The Auditor can numbers

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	"You've caught me Abraham. I just made it up, but what I mean is that there's no harm bearing in mind that this isn't uncontroversial. Not everyone agrees that the orcs should be part of the Virtue assemblies. What do the rest of you think?"		"You've caught me Abraham. I just made it up, but what I mean is that there's no harm bearing in mind that this isn't uncontroversial. Not everyone agrees that the orcs should be part of the Virtue assemblies. What do the rest of you think?"

	"Eleven hundred is higher than four hundred, and it's a ~~greater~~ majority." said Gerard. He shrugged expressively, and went back to totting up the numbers he was working on.		"Eleven hundred is higher than four hundred, and it's a lesser majority." said Gerard. He shrugged expressively, and went back to totting up the numbers he was working on.

	"There is always the veto," said Karkovitch slowly. "To be honest I'm not sure why you're discussing the statement of principle at all. We haven't been asked to comment on the judgement, only on the practical implications."		"There is always the veto," said Karkovitch slowly. "To be honest I'm not sure why you're discussing the statement of principle at all. We haven't been asked to comment on the judgement, only on the practical implications."

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	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[~~Wind~~ of ~~Fortune~~]] - the 384YE Spring Wind of Fortune detailing the fraught relationship between the General Assembly and the Virtue Assemblies		* [[The price of wisdom]] - the 384YE Spring Wind of Fortune detailing the fraught relationship between the General Assembly and the Virtue Assemblies