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Matt: Text replacement - "Conclave" to "Conclave"

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Text replacement - "Conclave" to "Conclave"

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	* '''It would be illegal to mix, own or sell an interdicted potion'''		* '''It would be illegal to mix, own or sell an interdicted potion'''
	* '''Magistrates would seek to destroy the herbal of an interdicted potion that was not part of Imperial Lore'''		* '''Magistrates would seek to destroy the herbal of an interdicted potion that was not part of Imperial Lore'''
	The Apothecaries' Guild is the only body of state with legally defined responsibilities for the apothecary art. However, the terms of the manifesto place significant limits on the power of the Guild to prevent the use of potions that pose a danger to the Empire or its citizens. It states that the sodality will ''"Serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required"''. The implication is that the intention is that the [[~~Conclave\|~~Conclave]] and the Senate continue to regulate the use of potions either by making them illegal with a Senate motion or by interdiction with a Conclave declaration.		The Apothecaries' Guild is the only body of state with legally defined responsibilities for the apothecary art. However, the terms of the manifesto place significant limits on the power of the Guild to prevent the use of potions that pose a danger to the Empire or its citizens. It states that the sodality will ''"Serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required"''. The implication is that the intention is that the [[Conclave]] and the Senate continue to regulate the use of potions either by making them illegal with a Senate motion or by interdiction with a Conclave declaration.

	The court are clear that the Senate ''could'' choose to grant the sodality the power to interdict potions or a single potion recipe. This would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]] as it would strip the Conclave of any power or responsibility over potions and poisons. It would also prevent the Imperial Senate from making decisions on the creation, sale, or use of such a potion. Any existing potions that were interdicted would remain interdicted, but control of their status would pass to the Guild. A simple vote of Guild members would be sufficient to interdict a potion - or to remove interdiction from a potion.		The court are clear that the Senate ''could'' choose to grant the sodality the power to interdict potions or a single potion recipe. This would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]] as it would strip the Conclave of any power or responsibility over potions and poisons. It would also prevent the Imperial Senate from making decisions on the creation, sale, or use of such a potion. Any existing potions that were interdicted would remain interdicted, but control of their status would pass to the Guild. A simple vote of Guild members would be sufficient to interdict a potion - or to remove interdiction from a potion.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Conclave" to "[[Conclave"

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Text replacement - "[[Imperial Conclave" to "[[Conclave"

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	* '''It would be illegal to mix, own or sell an interdicted potion'''		* '''It would be illegal to mix, own or sell an interdicted potion'''
	* '''Magistrates would seek to destroy the herbal of an interdicted potion that was not part of Imperial Lore'''		* '''Magistrates would seek to destroy the herbal of an interdicted potion that was not part of Imperial Lore'''
	The Apothecaries' Guild is the only body of state with legally defined responsibilities for the apothecary art. However, the terms of the manifesto place significant limits on the power of the Guild to prevent the use of potions that pose a danger to the Empire or its citizens. It states that the sodality will ''"Serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required"''. The implication is that the intention is that the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave\|Conclave]] and the Senate continue to regulate the use of potions either by making them illegal with a Senate motion or by interdiction with a Conclave declaration.		The Apothecaries' Guild is the only body of state with legally defined responsibilities for the apothecary art. However, the terms of the manifesto place significant limits on the power of the Guild to prevent the use of potions that pose a danger to the Empire or its citizens. It states that the sodality will ''"Serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required"''. The implication is that the intention is that the [[Conclave\|Conclave]] and the Senate continue to regulate the use of potions either by making them illegal with a Senate motion or by interdiction with a Conclave declaration.

	The court are clear that the Senate ''could'' choose to grant the sodality the power to interdict potions or a single potion recipe. This would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]] as it would strip the Conclave of any power or responsibility over potions and poisons. It would also prevent the Imperial Senate from making decisions on the creation, sale, or use of such a potion. Any existing potions that were interdicted would remain interdicted, but control of their status would pass to the Guild. A simple vote of Guild members would be sufficient to interdict a potion - or to remove interdiction from a potion.		The court are clear that the Senate ''could'' choose to grant the sodality the power to interdict potions or a single potion recipe. This would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]] as it would strip the Conclave of any power or responsibility over potions and poisons. It would also prevent the Imperial Senate from making decisions on the creation, sale, or use of such a potion. Any existing potions that were interdicted would remain interdicted, but control of their status would pass to the Guild. A simple vote of Guild members would be sufficient to interdict a potion - or to remove interdiction from a potion.
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	The skills of the apothecary can heal the body and empower the soul, but they can also be used to poison and kill. The Navarr are not shy about this fundamental truth, many of their apothecaries have a great deal of experience creating poisons as the nation are skilled at using them in battle against the Empire's enemies. On more than one occasion, they have expressed frustration with the simple approach to poisons adopted by Imperial law and suggested that the Empire would be better served by an arrangement closer to the one that applies to curses.		The skills of the apothecary can heal the body and empower the soul, but they can also be used to poison and kill. The Navarr are not shy about this fundamental truth, many of their apothecaries have a great deal of experience creating poisons as the nation are skilled at using them in battle against the Empire's enemies. On more than one occasion, they have expressed frustration with the simple approach to poisons adopted by Imperial law and suggested that the Empire would be better served by an arrangement closer to the one that applies to curses.

	Magic that harms a citizen is legal in the Empire, in part because of the potential to turn curses on the Empire's enemies but largely because the constitution ensures that the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave]] control the uses of curses (and other magic) through the use of [[interdiction]] and [[sorcery]]. In the view of many Navarr, the Apothecaries' Guild could be built up to operate in a similar way, giving it power over the use of potions and poisons and over the people who create them.		Magic that harms a citizen is legal in the Empire, in part because of the potential to turn curses on the Empire's enemies but largely because the constitution ensures that the [[Conclave]] control the uses of curses (and other magic) through the use of [[interdiction]] and [[sorcery]]. In the view of many Navarr, the Apothecaries' Guild could be built up to operate in a similar way, giving it power over the use of potions and poisons and over the people who create them.

	That would require a number of substantial changes to Imperial law, all of which are likely to require a constitutional vote. Crucially, the current responsibilities of the sodality, as defined by the Senate in its manifesto, do not really allow for such power. The manifesto says only that the Guild will ''"serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required."'' That is no legal basis for wide-sweeping powers to control the use of the apothecary's arts in that statement. Not currently, at least.		That would require a number of substantial changes to Imperial law, all of which are likely to require a constitutional vote. Crucially, the current responsibilities of the sodality, as defined by the Senate in its manifesto, do not really allow for such power. The manifesto says only that the Guild will ''"serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required."'' That is no legal basis for wide-sweeping powers to control the use of the apothecary's arts in that statement. Not currently, at least.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	* '''The Senate could devolve a number of powers to the sodality'''		* '''The Senate could devolve a number of powers to the sodality'''
	* '''Senate could grant the sodality the power to interdict potions'''		* '''Senate could grant the sodality the power to interdict potions'''
	The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] have reviewed the current manifesto of the Apothecaries' Guild and have confirmed that it appears to be entirely constitutional. As part of that review, they have looked at what legal powers should logically be delegated to the new sodality in line with the legal authority granted to it by the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]].		The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] have reviewed the current manifesto of the Apothecaries' Guild and have confirmed that it appears to be entirely constitutional. As part of that review, they have looked at what legal powers should logically be delegated to the new sodality in line with the legal authority granted to it by the [[Senate]].

	Most [[Powers of the Imperial Senate\|powers of state]] are obviously not appropriate - it would not be constitutional to give the Apothecaries' Guild the power to appoint [[general\|generals]], or assign a Bourse seat or anything of that nature. That is not because these powers are too important - the power of a sodality is not limited in that way - but any legal powers must align with the purpose and manifesto of the sodality.		Most [[Powers of the Imperial Senate\|powers of state]] are obviously not appropriate - it would not be constitutional to give the Apothecaries' Guild the power to appoint [[general\|generals]], or assign a Bourse seat or anything of that nature. That is not because these powers are too important - the power of a sodality is not limited in that way - but any legal powers must align with the purpose and manifesto of the sodality.
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	* '''An administrative motion on Friday will ask the Senate to confirm that the sodality has the power to add new potions to Imperial lore'''		* '''An administrative motion on Friday will ask the Senate to confirm that the sodality has the power to add new potions to Imperial lore'''
	* '''The costs would remain the same - but the Guild could vote to add a potion to Imperial lore rather than needing a Senate motion'''		* '''The costs would remain the same - but the Guild could vote to add a potion to Imperial lore rather than needing a Senate motion'''
	The Imperial Senate has stated that the Apothecaries' Guild has the legal authority to "Coordinate... education, and dissemination of ingredients, potions, and antidotes." Currently, the responsibility for adding new potions and recipe sets to Imperial lore lies with the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]]. It is not clear from the wording of the original [[Senate motion\|motion]] if the Senate intended to grant this power to the new sodality or not, but it does appear to be consistent with the purpose of the Apothecaries' Guild as defined by the Senate. Therefore, the constitutional court have prepared an administrative motion to confirm whether this was the Senate's intent or not. The motion will be presented to Senate on Friday night.		The Imperial Senate has stated that the Apothecaries' Guild has the legal authority to "Coordinate... education, and dissemination of ingredients, potions, and antidotes." Currently, the responsibility for adding new potions and recipe sets to Imperial lore lies with the [[Senate]]. It is not clear from the wording of the original [[Senate motion\|motion]] if the Senate intended to grant this power to the new sodality or not, but it does appear to be consistent with the purpose of the Apothecaries' Guild as defined by the Senate. Therefore, the constitutional court have prepared an administrative motion to confirm whether this was the Senate's intent or not. The motion will be presented to Senate on Friday night.

	At present, the only legal body with the power to do this is the Imperial Senate. It requires [[Potion#Herbal\|a Senate motion each time]] and costs 10 thrones. If the Senate passes the administrative motion, then the legal power to do this will be transferred to the new Guild.		At present, the only legal body with the power to do this is the Imperial Senate. It requires [[Potion#Herbal\|a Senate motion each time]] and costs 10 thrones. If the Senate passes the administrative motion, then the legal power to do this will be transferred to the new Guild.

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Dre: /* Legal Possibilities */

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Legal Possibilities

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	* '''The Senate could devolve a number of powers to the sodality'''		* '''The Senate could devolve a number of powers to the sodality'''
	* '''Senate could grant the sodality the power to interdict potions'''		* '''Senate could grant the sodality the power to interdict potions'''
	The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] have reviewed the current manifesto of the Apothecaries Guild and have confirmed that it appears to be entirely constitutional. As part of that review, they have looked at what legal powers should logically be delegated to the new sodality in line with the legal authority granted to it by the [[Imperial Senate]].		The [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] have reviewed the current manifesto of the Apothecaries' Guild and have confirmed that it appears to be entirely constitutional. As part of that review, they have looked at what legal powers should logically be delegated to the new sodality in line with the legal authority granted to it by the [[Imperial Senate]].

	Most [[Powers of the Imperial Senate\|powers of state]] are obviously not appropriate - it would not be constitutional to give the ~~Apothecary~~'s Guild the power to appoint [[general\|generals]], or assign a Bourse seat or anything of that nature. That is not because these powers are too important - the power of a sodality is not limited in that way - but any legal powers must align with the purpose and manifesto of the sodality.		Most [[Powers of the Imperial Senate\|powers of state]] are obviously not appropriate - it would not be constitutional to give the Apothecaries' Guild the power to appoint [[general\|generals]], or assign a Bourse seat or anything of that nature. That is not because these powers are too important - the power of a sodality is not limited in that way - but any legal powers must align with the purpose and manifesto of the sodality.

	However, there are legal powers that the court have identified that ought to reside with the Apothecaries Guild - in line with their manifesto. Any [[Senate motion]] carries the legal authority of the Empire, so it could be argued that the Senate has ''already'' made the decision by recognising the authority of the Apothecaries Guild. In practice, the Constitutional Court prefer to use [[Senate_motion#Administrative_Motions\|administrative motions]] so that they can confirm whether such changes accurately capture the intent of the Senate.		However, there are legal powers that the court have identified that ought to reside with the Apothecaries' Guild - in line with their manifesto. Any [[Senate motion]] carries the legal authority of the Empire, so it could be argued that the Senate has ''already'' made the decision by recognising the authority of the Apothecaries Guild. In practice, the Constitutional Court prefer to use [[Senate_motion#Administrative_Motions\|administrative motions]] so that they can confirm whether such changes accurately capture the intent of the Senate.

	In addition, there are current legal powers that ''could'' most logically be delegated to the Apothecaries Guild. There is no implication that these powers ''should'' now reside with the Apothecaries Guild in the wording of the manifesto that the Senate approved, so these have not been raised as an administrative motion. But they are clearly identified below, so that the Apothecaries Guild are aware that they could request the Senate authorise them to handle these matters without additional [[scrutiny]].		In addition, there are current legal powers that ''could'' most logically be delegated to the Apothecaries' Guild. There is no implication that these powers ''should'' now reside with the Apothecaries Guild in the wording of the manifesto that the Senate approved, so these have not been raised as an administrative motion. But they are clearly identified below, so that the Apothecaries Guild are aware that they could request the Senate authorise them to handle these matters without additional [[scrutiny]].

	There may well be other powers that the Imperial Senate could theoretically grant the new Apothecaries Guild; the two legal powers listed below are only the ones identified by the court at this stage.		There may well be other powers that the Imperial Senate could theoretically grant the new Apothecaries' Guild; the two legal powers listed below are only the ones identified by the court at this stage.
	{{CaptionedImage\|file=Mortar.webp\|title=Imperial Apothecaries' Guild\|align=right\|width=240}}		{{CaptionedImage\|file=Mortar.webp\|title=Imperial Apothecaries' Guild\|align=right\|width=240}}
	===Imperial Lore===		===Imperial Lore===

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Hailmur: /* Iron & Wine */

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Iron & Wine

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	The idea of the Navarr apothecaries has the backing and support of many [[Varushka\|Varushkan]] herbalists from [[Karov]] and [[Karsk]]. They take the view that the new sodality will have limited success unless it is clearly backed by the iron hand of the law. In particular, the Varushkans are concerned about the trade in dubious narcotics that is on the rise in some parts of the Empire. The Imperial Senate was quick to make [[Create_law_prohibiting_Bite\|bite]] and [[385YE_Winter_Solstice_Senate_sessions#Criminalise_Ocean's_Caress\|ocean's caress]] illegal, but there are many other drugs coming from the [[Sarcophan Delves]] and [[Axos]] that could be harmful or dangerous in the wrong hands. In their view the Guild should have the power to determine if such substances are interdicted. The sodality are the ones who are most likely to have the relevant expertise and they have the time to devote to the subject, whereas the Senate always has a great deal of other business to attend to.		The idea of the Navarr apothecaries has the backing and support of many [[Varushka\|Varushkan]] herbalists from [[Karov]] and [[Karsk]]. They take the view that the new sodality will have limited success unless it is clearly backed by the iron hand of the law. In particular, the Varushkans are concerned about the trade in dubious narcotics that is on the rise in some parts of the Empire. The Imperial Senate was quick to make [[Create_law_prohibiting_Bite\|bite]] and [[385YE_Winter_Solstice_Senate_sessions#Criminalise_Ocean's_Caress\|ocean's caress]] illegal, but there are many other drugs coming from the [[Sarcophan Delves]] and [[Axos]] that could be harmful or dangerous in the wrong hands. In their view the Guild should have the power to determine if such substances are interdicted. The sodality are the ones who are most likely to have the relevant expertise and they have the time to devote to the subject, whereas the Senate always has a great deal of other business to attend to.

	If a motion to change the powers of the Guild can clear the Senate, then these Varushkan apothecaries are prepared to devote their time to support the sodality's work. This would not be cheap, the work would cost ten thrones and take a season to complete. ('''OOC Note:''' These funds would need to be placed in the inventory of a character, who should ~~[mailto:plot@profounddecisions.co.uk~~ email plot] with details of their CID and the substance being investigated after the event.) The sodality would only ever be in a position to investigate potions, poisons, or drugs, they couldn't investigate anything else. But at the request of the Guild, they could study the named substance to try to find out everything possible about it, how it was made, where it came from, what effects it might have, what the implications and concerns might be. This would not necessarily provide any ability to Imperial apothecaries to actually duplicate such substances - they often involve rare materials found only in other nations - but they might occasionally provide the Guild with other [[opportunity\|opportunities]] related to the potion, poison, or drug.		If a motion to change the powers of the Guild can clear the Senate, then these Varushkan apothecaries are prepared to devote their time to support the sodality's work. This would not be cheap, the work would cost ten thrones and take a season to complete. ('''OOC Note:''' These funds would need to be placed in the inventory of a character, who should email {{plot}} with details of their CID and the substance being investigated after the event.) The sodality would only ever be in a position to investigate potions, poisons, or drugs, they couldn't investigate anything else. But at the request of the Guild, they could study the named substance to try to find out everything possible about it, how it was made, where it came from, what effects it might have, what the implications and concerns might be. This would not necessarily provide any ability to Imperial apothecaries to actually duplicate such substances - they often involve rare materials found only in other nations - but they might occasionally provide the Guild with other [[opportunity\|opportunities]] related to the potion, poison, or drug.

	The Guild's researchers would provide a ''short'' report on this to the Guild leader at the next summit. That would empower the Guild to consider the substance with the surety that they knew everything about it that could be reasonably discovered by the Empire. They wouldn't need such a report to interdict a substance, but having it would allow them to be certain they were making informed decisions whether or not to forbid the creation, sale and use of anything regulated by the Guild.		The Guild's researchers would provide a ''short'' report on this to the Guild leader at the next summit. That would empower the Guild to consider the substance with the surety that they knew everything about it that could be reasonably discovered by the Empire. They wouldn't need such a report to interdict a substance, but having it would allow them to be certain they were making informed decisions whether or not to forbid the creation, sale and use of anything regulated by the Guild.

Hailmur: /* Contracts and Rings */

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Contracts and Rings

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	This group have discovered that the guidance issued for an appropriate manifesto for a sodality was in error. At their prompting, the civil service have now updated the official guidance to make clear that to be recognised as an Imperial sodality, a fellowship must have a clear manifesto in the same style of those expressed by any [[Conclave order]]. This must consist of three concise claims that the sodality believes to be true followed by three clear statements expressing what the sodality exists to do.		This group have discovered that the guidance issued for an appropriate manifesto for a sodality was in error. At their prompting, the civil service have now updated the official guidance to make clear that to be recognised as an Imperial sodality, a fellowship must have a clear manifesto in the same style of those expressed by any [[Conclave order]]. This must consist of three concise claims that the sodality believes to be true followed by three clear statements expressing what the sodality exists to do.

	As this was an error by the civil service, the Apothecaries Guild will be given as much time as they need to determine what the other half of their manifesto should say - the three assertions that the sodality believes to be true. Once they have these details agreed with the other members, they can inform the civil service and they will raise an administrative motion in the Senate to confirm the additional details. ('''OOC note:''' the Guild Leader should ~~[mailto:plot@profounddecisions.co.uk~~ email plot] with the details once they are agreed).		As this was an error by the civil service, the Apothecaries Guild will be given as much time as they need to determine what the other half of their manifesto should say - the three assertions that the sodality believes to be true. Once they have these details agreed with the other members, they can inform the civil service and they will raise an administrative motion in the Senate to confirm the additional details. ('''OOC note:''' the Guild Leader should email {{plot}} with the details once they are agreed).

	This creates an opportunity for the new sodality to make a strong statement on the importance of apothecaries being paid if they wish, which is exactly what this group are looking for. If they are to support the new sodality, they want the confidence that the sodality will support them. They want it to make a clear political statement that speaks to their concerns, otherwise it is just another group looking to obtain their time and skills without paying! This group would like to see the Apothecaries Guild adopt a statement of the sodality's beliefs which unreservedly states that the sodality expects its members to be paid for their skills.		This creates an opportunity for the new sodality to make a strong statement on the importance of apothecaries being paid if they wish, which is exactly what this group are looking for. If they are to support the new sodality, they want the confidence that the sodality will support them. They want it to make a clear political statement that speaks to their concerns, otherwise it is just another group looking to obtain their time and skills without paying! This group would like to see the Apothecaries Guild adopt a statement of the sodality's beliefs which unreservedly states that the sodality expects its members to be paid for their skills.

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	* '''It would be illegal to mix, own or sell an interdicted potion'''		* '''It would be illegal to mix, own or sell an interdicted potion'''
	* '''Magistrates would seek to destroy the herbal of an interdicted potion that was not part of Imperial Lore'''		* '''Magistrates would seek to destroy the herbal of an interdicted potion that was not part of Imperial Lore'''
	The Apothecaries' Guild is the only body of state with legally defined responsibilities for the ~~Apothecaries~~ art. However, the terms of the manifesto place significant limits on the power of the Guild to prevent the use of potions that pose a danger to the Empire or its citizens. It states that the sodality will ''"Serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required"''. The implication is that the intention is that the [[Imperial Conclave\|Conclave]] and the Senate continue to regulate the use of potions either by making them illegal with a Senate motion or by interdiction with a Conclave declaration.		The Apothecaries' Guild is the only body of state with legally defined responsibilities for the apothecary art. However, the terms of the manifesto place significant limits on the power of the Guild to prevent the use of potions that pose a danger to the Empire or its citizens. It states that the sodality will ''"Serve as a point of contact for bodies of state when apothecary and herbal advice is required"''. The implication is that the intention is that the [[Imperial Conclave\|Conclave]] and the Senate continue to regulate the use of potions either by making them illegal with a Senate motion or by interdiction with a Conclave declaration.

	The court are clear that the Senate ''could'' choose to grant the sodality the power to interdict potions or a single potion recipe. This would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]] as it would strip the Conclave of any power or responsibility over potions and poisons. It would ~~still be possible for~~ the Imperial Senate ~~to make~~ the creation, sale, or use of such a potion ~~illegal with a Senate motion~~. Any existing potions that were interdicted would remain interdicted, but control of their status would pass to the Guild. A simple vote of Guild members would be sufficient to interdict a potion - or to remove interdiction from a potion.		The court are clear that the Senate ''could'' choose to grant the sodality the power to interdict potions or a single potion recipe. This would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]] as it would strip the Conclave of any power or responsibility over potions and poisons. It would also prevent the Imperial Senate from making decisions on the creation, sale, or use of such a potion. Any existing potions that were interdicted would remain interdicted, but control of their status would pass to the Guild. A simple vote of Guild members would be sufficient to interdict a potion - or to remove interdiction from a potion.

	The power of [[interdiction]] would not remove a potion from Imperial lore. Any existing [[Potion#Herbal\|herbals]] would not be seized or destroyed, and it would not be illegal to possess one, nor to use one to learn or teach how to make the potion. Only the creation, ownership or sale of an interdicted potion would become illegal. On the other hand it would be possible to ~~also~~ grant the sodality the equivalent of the so-called ''[[Interdiction#Remorse\|Declaration of Remorse]]'', giving them the power to remove a potion recipe from Imperial lore.		The power of [[interdiction]] would not remove a potion from Imperial lore. Any existing [[Potion#Herbal\|herbals]] would not be seized or destroyed, and it would not be illegal to possess one, nor to use one to learn or teach how to make the potion. Only the creation, ownership or sale of an interdicted potion would become illegal. On the other hand, it would be possible to grant the sodality the equivalent of the so-called ''[[Interdiction#Remorse\|Declaration of Remorse]]'', giving them the power to remove a potion recipe from Imperial lore.

	A potion or recipe set that was ''not'' part of Imperial lore would be treated more severely. In addition to the above restrictions, any herbal would be seized and destroyed by the magistrates. It is never illegal to know how to mix a potion, unless the magistrates determine that someone is clearly intending to create the potion or spread that knowledge in which case they may require the use of effects such as [[Infant Starts with a Blank Slate]] to remove their capability to do so.		A potion or recipe set that was ''not'' part of Imperial lore would be treated more severely. In addition to the above restrictions, any herbal would be seized and destroyed by the magistrates. It is never illegal to know how to mix a potion, unless the magistrates determine that someone is clearly intending to create the potion or spread that knowledge, in which case they may require the use of effects such as [[Infant Starts with a Blank Slate]] to remove their capability to do so.

	If the Imperial Senate passed a constitutional motion to give the sodality the power to interdict potions and poisons, then it would also no longer be possible for the Senate to use a motion to make them illegal, as the legal power to do so would then rest with an Imperial body of state charged with responsibility for such matters. The Constitutional Court are keen to avoid the current mess in which the Conclave can interdict items and the Senate can make them illegal; this is only tolerated because the Conclave don't have a clear mandate under the Constitution to cover the creation and use of potions and [[magical items]], despite the best efforts of the [[Golden Pyramid]].		If the Imperial Senate passed a constitutional motion to give the sodality the power to interdict potions and poisons, then it would also no longer be possible for the Senate to use a motion to make them illegal, as the legal power to do so would then rest with an Imperial body of state charged with responsibility for such matters. The Constitutional Court are keen to avoid the current mess in which the Conclave can interdict items and the Senate can make them illegal; this is only tolerated because the Conclave don't have a clear mandate under the Constitution to cover the creation and use of potions and [[magical items]], despite the best efforts of the [[Golden Pyramid]].
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	* '''Several groups of citizens are intrigued by the potential of the new sodality and have put forward proposals'''		* '''Several groups of citizens are intrigued by the potential of the new sodality and have put forward proposals'''
	* '''Updating the manifesto of the Apothecaries' Guild would require a constitutional Senate motion'''		* '''Updating the manifesto of the Apothecaries' Guild would require a constitutional Senate motion'''

	The new sodality has intrigued apothecaries and those interested in potions and herbs across the Empire. Many of them believe that the sodality was created in something of a hurry - in an attempt to seize an [[opportunity]] before it passed. Now that it exists, they sense there is a small window in time to consider changes to the manifesto before the thing becomes set in stone. As a result, each of them is pushing for some changes before they commit.		The new sodality has intrigued apothecaries and those interested in potions and herbs across the Empire. Many of them believe that the sodality was created in something of a hurry - in an attempt to seize an [[opportunity]] before it passed. Now that it exists, they sense there is a small window in time to consider changes to the manifesto before the thing becomes set in stone. As a result, each of them is pushing for some changes before they commit.

	Changing a manifesto of a sodality is expensive and difficult - it requires a constitutional motion which is not easily obtained. Given that challenge, each of the groups is promising aid to the new sodality if their requirements are satisfied. It seems unlikely that they could all be made happy, but in theory a single Senate motion could rewrite the entire manifesto, provided the new wording was constitutional.		Changing a manifesto of a sodality is expensive and difficult - it requires a constitutional motion which is not easily obtained. Given that challenge, each of the groups is promising aid to the new sodality if their requirements are satisfied. It seems unlikely that they could all be made happy, but in theory, a single Senate motion could rewrite the entire manifesto, provided the new wording was constitutional.

	===Contracts and Rings===		===Contracts and Rings===