In the Court of Far Horizons - Revision history

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	One form this aid will take is the offer to take a single message, once a year, to anyone, anywhere in the world. While this offer may seem no better than a [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]], Ptolemy points out that ritual requires the magician to know the name and the approximate location of their target. Ptolemy's offer includes neither restriction - with the assistance of the City of Salt and Sail, whoever is elected as [[Appointment_by_sodality#Speaker\|Speaker]] for the new sodality could send a message to anyone, anywhere in the world,		One form this aid will take is the offer to take a single message, once a year, to anyone, anywhere in the world. While this offer may seem no better than a [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]], Ptolemy points out that ritual requires the magician to know the name and the approximate location of their target. Ptolemy's offer includes neither restriction - with the assistance of the City of Salt and Sail, whoever is elected as [[Appointment_by_sodality#Speaker\|Speaker]] for the new sodality could send a message to anyone, anywhere in the world,

	There would still need to be some way to identify the correct recipient of course, but the Speaker could employ ''any'' logic to designate who should receive their missive. It could be as simple as the leader of a named [[Druj]] sept or as difficult as the current owner of a stolen magical item. Provided there was an identifiable recipient somewhere in the mortal world, the City would deliver the message. The only limitation would be that it must not be more than one hundred and eleven words in length in total.		There would still need to be some way to identify the correct recipient, of course, but the Speaker could employ ''any'' logic to designate who should receive their missive. It could be as simple as the leader of a named [[Druj]] sept or as difficult as the current owner of a stolen magical item. Provided there was an identifiable recipient somewhere in the mortal world, the City would deliver the message. The only limitation would be that it must not be more than one hundred and eleven words in length in total.

	Once the city had delivered such a message they would not deliver another until a year had passed. The City would provide written guarantees that the service would remain available to the Empire for as long as the sodality retained the rights to appoint all Imperial ambassadors.		Once the city had delivered such a message, they would not deliver another until a year had passed. The City would provide written guarantees that the service would remain available to the Empire for as long as the sodality retained the rights to appoint all Imperial ambassadors.

	==Limitations==		==Limitations==

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Amended Titles

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	<tr><td>[[Custodian of Ivarsgard Docks]]</td></tr>		<tr><td>[[Custodian of Ivarsgard Docks]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Master of the Root and Stem]]</td></tr>		<tr><td>[[Master of the Root and Stem]]</td></tr>
	~~<tr><td>[[Eastern Broker]]</td></tr>~~
	<tr><td>[[Quaymaster of the Black Sails]]</td></tr>		<tr><td>[[Quaymaster of the Black Sails]]</td></tr>
	</table>		</table>
	</div>		</div>
	* '''~~Five~~ titles would be automatically amended to be appointed by the Court of Far Horizons'''		* '''Four titles would be automatically amended to be appointed by the Court of Far Horizons'''
	The civil service have identified ~~five~~ Imperial titles whose responsibilities are solely or primarily concerned with maritime trade, either overseeing and supporting such trade or directly ~~benefitting~~ thereby. A position such as the [[Kruidenkenner Trademaster]] is expected to oversee the trade of herbs between the ''Kruidenkenner'' (a [[Sarcophan Delves\|Sarcophan guild]]) and the Empire. If the proposed sodality was passed by the Senate, then the only constitutionally valid way to appoint the listed title would be by vote of members of the sodality.		The civil service have identified four Imperial titles whose responsibilities are solely or primarily concerned with maritime trade, either overseeing and supporting such trade or directly benefiting thereby. A position such as the [[Kruidenkenner Trademaster]] is expected to oversee the trade of herbs between the ''Kruidenkenner'' (a [[Sarcophan Delves\|Sarcophan guild]]) and the Empire. If the proposed sodality was passed by the Senate, then the only constitutionally valid way to appoint the listed title would be by a vote of members of the sodality.

			If the Senate pass the motion to create the Court of the Far Horizons, then all four listed titles will be amended to be appointed by the sodality.

	~~If the Senate pass the motion to create the Court of the Far Horizons, then all five listed titles will be amended to be appointed by the sodality.~~
	===Potential Titles===		===Potential Titles===
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Dre at 19:38, 3 July 2026

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Twiggy at 17:52, 3 July 2026

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GuiltyConscience at 17:49, 3 July 2026

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	Sadly the tumult made it impossible for Giovanni von Temeschwar to hear the boy. He had a pressing meeting with a pair of Freeborn captains at the Captain's Ring. They wanted to discuss the situation in the Cazar Straits and what was being done about it. Fortunately the bustling crowd mostly parted to let him pass, the dockers in Caricomare knew better than to delay the Imperial Fleet Master when he was about his business.		Sadly the tumult made it impossible for Giovanni von Temeschwar to hear the boy. He had a pressing meeting with a pair of Freeborn captains at the Captain's Ring. They wanted to discuss the situation in the Cazar Straits and what was being done about it. Fortunately the bustling crowd mostly parted to let him pass, the dockers in Caricomare knew better than to delay the Imperial Fleet Master when he was about his business.

	"Fleet Master!" the boy shouted again, "Fleet Master Gi..." he gulped another breath of air, but the Sea Wolf spun on his heel to face the young land before he ~~coudld~~ finish the sentence, a single eyebrow raised inquisitively.		"Fleet Master!" the boy shouted again, "Fleet Master Gi..." he gulped another breath of air, but the Sea Wolf spun on his heel to face the young land before he could finish the sentence, a single eyebrow raised inquisitively.

	"Master Giovanni, sir!" the lad said, trying to regain his composure. "Message for you sir. Urgent sir. From the Fellowship of the Purple Ships."		"Master Giovanni, sir!" the lad said, trying to regain his composure. "Message for you sir. Urgent sir. From the Fellowship of the Purple Ships."
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	Giovanni accepted the scroll from the young boy's outthrust hand. The wax seal bore the Fellowship's impression, still fresh and slightly warm to the touch. Their offices were over a mile away on the far side of the docks, the boy must have run the whole distance. What could the Fellowship want so urgently?		Giovanni accepted the scroll from the young boy's outthrust hand. The wax seal bore the Fellowship's impression, still fresh and slightly warm to the touch. Their offices were over a mile away on the far side of the docks, the boy must have run the whole distance. What could the Fellowship want so urgently?

	The scroll disappeared inside the Fleet Master's tunic to be replaced with a ring coin that he expertly flipped towards the ~~messanger~~. That kind of Prosperity deserved a reward.		The scroll disappeared inside the Fleet Master's tunic to be replaced with a ring coin that he expertly flipped towards the messenger. That kind of Prosperity deserved a reward.
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Thespaceinvader at 17:20, 3 July 2026

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:388YE Summer]][[Category:Appraisal]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:388YE Summer]][[Category:Appraisal]]
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	"Fleet Master!" The young boy gasped, panting for breath as he tried to call out, whilst simultaneously ducking and weaving his way across the dock front. Caricomare was busier than ever since the docks have been rebuilt, despite the war with the Grendel, there were scores of stevedores hard at work unpacking the cargo from ~~teh~~ two huge Freeborn vessels docked just that morning.		"Fleet Master!" The young boy gasped, panting for breath as he tried to call out, whilst simultaneously ducking and weaving his way across the dock front. Caricomare was busier than ever since the docks have been rebuilt, despite the war with the Grendel, there were scores of stevedores hard at work unpacking the cargo from the two huge Freeborn vessels docked just that morning.

	Sadly the tumult made it impossible for Giovanni von Temeschwar to hear the boy. He had a pressing meeting with a pair of Freeborn captains at the Captain's Ring. They wanted to discuss the situation in the Cazar Straits and what was being done about it. Fortunately the bustling crowd mostly parted to let him pass, the dockers in Caricomare knew better than to delay the Imperial Fleet Master when he was about his business.		Sadly the tumult made it impossible for Giovanni von Temeschwar to hear the boy. He had a pressing meeting with a pair of Freeborn captains at the Captain's Ring. They wanted to discuss the situation in the Cazar Straits and what was being done about it. Fortunately the bustling crowd mostly parted to let him pass, the dockers in Caricomare knew better than to delay the Imperial Fleet Master when he was about his business.

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	* '''Magistrate Abraham has delivered their analysis based on the proposed manifesto'''		* '''Magistrate Abraham has delivered their analysis based on the proposed manifesto'''
	* '''It would not be possible to create a second sodality concerned with maritime trade'''		* '''It would not be possible to create a second sodality concerned with maritime trade'''
	Magistrate Abraham has conducted an analysis of the constitutional implications of the new sodality's provisional manifesto. Abraham notes that the manifesto is "bold and vigorous" in establishing ~~it's~~ remit, but that that means that some of implications are far-reaching.		Magistrate Abraham has conducted an analysis of the constitutional implications of the new sodality's provisional manifesto. Abraham notes that the manifesto is "bold and vigorous" in establishing its remit, but that that means that some of implications are far-reaching.

	<quote by="Manifesto of the Court of Far Horizons"> This sodality holds the following to be true:		<quote by="Manifesto of the Court of Far Horizons"> This sodality holds the following to be true:
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	* '''Any new legal powers that were ''solely'' concerned with maritime trade would need to be delegated to the new sodality'''		* '''Any new legal powers that were ''solely'' concerned with maritime trade would need to be delegated to the new sodality'''
	* '''Any existing legal powers that could be used to promote trade and relations with overseas foreign powers ''could'' be delegated to the sodality'''		* '''Any existing legal powers that could be used to promote trade and relations with overseas foreign powers ''could'' be delegated to the sodality'''
	The manifesto gives the overwhelming impression that the sodality would be responsible for maritime trade. As such the power to set [[tariffs]] would be delegated to the sodality as part of ~~it's~~ creation. The manifesto states that "The lifeblood of the Empire is trade, its paths must ''never'' be hindered". Hindering trade is a fundamental part of setting tariffs, so it is questionable whether that wording would permit the sodality to do anything other than to remove all tariffs. The Court advise that the Senate might prefer to endorse wording that said trade should never hindered "unduly" or "without good reason" or similar, since that ensures the sodality's rights to set tariffs would be on firmer legal ground.		The manifesto gives the overwhelming impression that the sodality would be responsible for maritime trade. As such the power to set [[tariffs]] would be delegated to the sodality as part of its creation. The manifesto states that "The lifeblood of the Empire is trade, its paths must ''never'' be hindered". Hindering trade is a fundamental part of setting tariffs, so it is questionable whether that wording would permit the sodality to do anything other than to remove all tariffs. The Court advise that the Senate might prefer to endorse wording that said trade should never hindered "unduly" or "without good reason" or similar, since that ensures the sodality's rights to set tariffs would be on firmer legal ground.

	The sodality would not affect trade with barbarians. Trade with nations that the Empire is at [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Declaration_of_War\|war]] with would still be prohibited. It would not be legal to trade with nations the Empire has declared war on, unless the Senate passed a constitutional Senate motion that explicitly legalised trade with all barbarians. If that happened, then the sodality could set tariffs on such trade.		The sodality would not affect trade with barbarians. Trade with nations that the Empire is at [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Declaration_of_War\|war]] with would still be prohibited. It would not be legal to trade with nations the Empire has declared war on, unless the Senate passed a constitutional Senate motion that explicitly legalised trade with all barbarians. If that happened, then the sodality could set tariffs on such trade.
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	* '''The titles will continue to be elected via the Bourse if the Senate declines to act'''		* '''The titles will continue to be elected via the Bourse if the Senate declines to act'''
	* '''There are five extant titles that could be changed with a single Senate motion to have them be elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''		* '''There are five extant titles that could be changed with a single Senate motion to have them be elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''
	The [[Steel Fist]] exists as a result of long-standing trade arrangements between the [[Sarcophan Delves]] and the Empire. The [[Sarcophan_Delves#Politics\|Bedelaar Huisbaas]] pay handsomely for privileged access to Imperial markets - the benefits of which go to fund the income of the Steel Fist. However, the Steel Fist is a Bourse ~~Seat~~, a reflection of the fact that the position receives a significant amount of [[ilium]] each season. Where a title exists that produces ~~bourse~~ resources from maritime trade then it would be equally valid for the title to be appointed by the Bourse or by the Court of Far Horizons.		The [[Steel Fist]] exists as a result of long-standing trade arrangements between the [[Sarcophan Delves]] and the Empire. The [[Sarcophan_Delves#Politics\|Bedelaar Huisbaas]] pay handsomely for privileged access to Imperial markets - the benefits of which go to fund the income of the Steel Fist. However, the Steel Fist is a Bourse seat, a reflection of the fact that the position receives a significant amount of [[ilium]] each season. Where a title exists that produces Bourse resources from maritime trade then it would be equally valid for the title to be appointed by the Bourse or by the Court of Far Horizons.

	Given it would remain constitutional for these titles to be appointed by the Bourse, creating the new sodality wouldn't change the appointment method of any of them. They could be amended by the Senate, and as above either each title could be individually amended or a single motion could be used to amend the appointment method of all the listed bourse titles.		Given it would remain constitutional for these titles to be appointed by the Bourse, creating the new sodality wouldn't change the appointment method of any of them. They could be amended by the Senate, and as above either each title could be individually amended or a single motion could be used to amend the appointment method of all the listed bourse titles.
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	* '''An amended manifesto could create a sodality whose purview covered all foreign trade'''		* '''An amended manifesto could create a sodality whose purview covered all foreign trade'''
	* '''Significantly more Imperial titles would fall under the authority of such a sodality'''		* '''Significantly more Imperial titles would fall under the authority of such a sodality'''
	The Constitutional Court have done their best to interpret the manifesto provided by [[Emperor Vesna]] and have assumed that [[the Throne]] is considering an Imperial sodality that would have responsibility for ''maritime'' trade. A more general manifesto, one that stripped out the references to fleets, could broaden the focus to ''all'' foreign trade. Such a change would still be constitutional but it would dramatically widen the remit of the sodality, bringing overland trade with various neighbouring foreigners like the Sandfishers of [[Holberg]], the [[Faraden]] and the [[Iron Confederacy]] under ~~it's~~ remit.		The Constitutional Court have done their best to interpret the manifesto provided by [[Emperor Vesna]] and have assumed that [[the Throne]] is considering an Imperial sodality that would have responsibility for ''maritime'' trade. A more general manifesto, one that stripped out the references to fleets, could broaden the focus to ''all'' foreign trade. Such a change would still be constitutional but it would dramatically widen the remit of the sodality, bringing overland trade with various neighbouring foreigners like the Sandfishers of [[Holberg]], the [[Faraden]] and the [[Iron Confederacy]] under its remit.

	The list prepared by the civil service shows all the titles they have found that could be affected. If the Imperial Senate chose to extend the sodality's remit to all foreign trade, then each title would need to be individually evaluated. Any title that no longer had a valid method of appointment would be automatically amended to be appointed by the Court of the Far Horizons. Titles that were still valid could be amended using a Senate motion.		The list prepared by the civil service shows all the titles they have found that could be affected. If the Imperial Senate chose to extend the sodality's remit to all foreign trade, then each title would need to be individually evaluated. Any title that no longer had a valid method of appointment would be automatically amended to be appointed by the Court of the Far Horizons. Titles that were still valid could be amended using a Senate motion.

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	* '''At present there are no other legal powers that would be automatically delegated to the Court of Far Horizons'''		* '''At present there are no other legal powers that would be automatically delegated to the Court of Far Horizons'''
	* '''Any new legal powers that were ''solely'' concerned with maritime trade would need to be delegated to the new sodality'''		* '''Any new legal powers that were ''solely'' concerned with maritime trade would need to be delegated to the new sodality'''
	* '''Any existing legal powers that could be used to promote trade and relations with ~~oveseas~~ foreign powers ''could'' be delegated to the sodality'''		* '''Any existing legal powers that could be used to promote trade and relations with overseas foreign powers ''could'' be delegated to the sodality'''
	The manifesto gives the overwhelming impression that the sodality would be responsible for maritime trade. As such the power to set [[tariffs]] would be delegated to the sodality as part of it's creation. The manifesto states that "The lifeblood of the Empire is trade, its paths must ''never'' be hindered". Hindering trade is a fundamental part of setting tariffs, so it is questionable whether that wording would permit the sodality to do anything other than to remove all tariffs. The Court advise that the Senate might prefer to endorse wording that said trade should never hindered "unduly" or "without good reason" or similar, since that ensures the sodality's rights to set tariffs would be on firmer legal ground.		The manifesto gives the overwhelming impression that the sodality would be responsible for maritime trade. As such the power to set [[tariffs]] would be delegated to the sodality as part of it's creation. The manifesto states that "The lifeblood of the Empire is trade, its paths must ''never'' be hindered". Hindering trade is a fundamental part of setting tariffs, so it is questionable whether that wording would permit the sodality to do anything other than to remove all tariffs. The Court advise that the Senate might prefer to endorse wording that said trade should never hindered "unduly" or "without good reason" or similar, since that ensures the sodality's rights to set tariffs would be on firmer legal ground.

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	* '''The titles will continue to be elected via the Bourse if the Senate declines to act'''		* '''The titles will continue to be elected via the Bourse if the Senate declines to act'''
	* '''There are five extant titles that could be changed with a single Senate motion to have them be elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''		* '''There are five extant titles that could be changed with a single Senate motion to have them be elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''
	The [[Steel Fist]] exists as a result of long-standing trade arrangements between the [[Sarcophan Delves]] and the Empire. The [[Sarcophan_Delves#Politics\|Bedelaar ~~Huisbass~~]] pay handsomely for privileged access to Imperial markets - the benefits of which go to fund the income of the Steel Fist. However, the Steel Fist is a Bourse Seat, a reflection of the fact that the position receives a significant amount of [[ilium]] each season. Where a title exists that produces bourse resources from maritime trade then it would be equally valid for the title to be appointed by the Bourse or by the Court of Far Horizons.		The [[Steel Fist]] exists as a result of long-standing trade arrangements between the [[Sarcophan Delves]] and the Empire. The [[Sarcophan_Delves#Politics\|Bedelaar Huisbaas]] pay handsomely for privileged access to Imperial markets - the benefits of which go to fund the income of the Steel Fist. However, the Steel Fist is a Bourse Seat, a reflection of the fact that the position receives a significant amount of [[ilium]] each season. Where a title exists that produces bourse resources from maritime trade then it would be equally valid for the title to be appointed by the Bourse or by the Court of Far Horizons.

	Given it would remain constitutional for these titles to be appointed by the Bourse, creating the new sodality wouldn't change the appointment method of any of them. They could be amended by the Senate, and as above either each title could be individually amended or a single motion could be used to amend the appointment method of all the listed bourse titles.		Given it would remain constitutional for these titles to be appointed by the Bourse, creating the new sodality wouldn't change the appointment method of any of them. They could be amended by the Senate, and as above either each title could be individually amended or a single motion could be used to amend the appointment method of all the listed bourse titles.
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	The Sarcophan explain that the "compensating payments" would be a share of the increased profits they expect to make as a result of dealing directly with citizens appointed by fellow merchants rather than politicians or priests. They are aware that the Imperial Senate receives income from two of these three titles through the [[Auction of the Seats]] and intend to compensate the Senate for this loss. Under the Sarcophan proposal, rather than a single variable payment once a year, the Senate would benefit from a predictable return every season.		The Sarcophan explain that the "compensating payments" would be a share of the increased profits they expect to make as a result of dealing directly with citizens appointed by fellow merchants rather than politicians or priests. They are aware that the Imperial Senate receives income from two of these three titles through the [[Auction of the Seats]] and intend to compensate the Senate for this loss. Under the Sarcophan proposal, rather than a single variable payment once a year, the Senate would benefit from a predictable return every season.

	While their proposal is presented as a way to compensate the Imperial Senate, it is arguably little more than a bribe in return for the Sarcophan's preferred outcome. Any ~~pretense~~ otherwise is undermined by their final offer; if the Senate will also grant the Court of the Far Horizons the legal authority to appoint the [[Ambassador to the Sarcophan Delves]], as well as all the other titles, then the Delves will increase the compensating payments to a total of twelve thrones a season.		While their proposal is presented as a way to compensate the Imperial Senate, it is arguably little more than a bribe in return for the Sarcophan's preferred outcome. Any pretence otherwise is undermined by their final offer; if the Senate will also grant the Court of the Far Horizons the legal authority to appoint the [[Ambassador to the Sarcophan Delves]], as well as all the other titles, then the Delves will increase the compensating payments to a total of twelve thrones a season.

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