In the Court of Far Horizons - Revision history

Matt: /* The Bedelaar Huisbaas */

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	===The Bedelaar Huisbaas===		===The Bedelaar Huisbaas===
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	* '''The Sarcophan want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to appoint ''all'' titles associated with maritime trade'''		* '''The Sarcophan want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to appoint ''all'' titles associated with maritime trade'''
	* '''They will donate a total of 2 thrones a season to the Imperial Treasury if all the maritime trade titles listed above are appointed by the new sodality'''		* '''They will donate a total of 2 thrones a season to the Imperial Treasury if all the maritime trade titles listed above are appointed by the new sodality'''

Matt: /* The Bedelaar Huisbaas */

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	===The Bedelaar Huisbaas===		===The Bedelaar Huisbaas===
	~~<div style="float:right; width: 200px; clear: left;">~~{{CaptionedImage\|file=AmbassadorSarcophanDelves.jpg\|caption='''Dino i Riqueza''', Ambassador to the Sarcophan Delves\|align=right\|width=200}}~~</div>~~		{{CaptionedImage\|file=AmbassadorSarcophanDelves.jpg\|caption='''Dino i Riqueza''', Ambassador to the Sarcophan Delves\|align=right\|width=200}}
	* '''The Sarcophan want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to appoint ''all'' titles associated with maritime trade'''		* '''The Sarcophan want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to appoint ''all'' titles associated with maritime trade'''
	* '''They will donate a total of 2 thrones a season to the Imperial Treasury if all the maritime trade titles listed above are appointed by the new sodality'''		* '''They will donate a total of 2 thrones a season to the Imperial Treasury if all the maritime trade titles listed above are appointed by the new sodality'''

Matt: /* The Fellowship of the Purple Sails */

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The Fellowship of the Purple Sails

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	===The Fellowship of the Purple Sails===		===The Fellowship of the Purple Sails===
	{{CaptionedImage\|file=From out of the West.jpg\|caption=Ships set sail from Imperial ports for every corner of the Known World.\|align=~~left~~\|width=~~500~~}}		{{CaptionedImage\|file=From out of the West.jpg\|caption=Ships set sail from Imperial ports for every corner of the Known World.\|align=right\|width=300}}
	* '''The Fellowship want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to set tariffs'''		* '''The Fellowship want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to set tariffs'''
	* '''If that happens, members of the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will join the new sodality en masse'''		* '''If that happens, members of the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will join the new sodality en masse'''

Matt: /* The Fellowship of the Purple Sails */

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The Fellowship of the Purple Sails

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	===The Fellowship of the Purple Sails===		===The Fellowship of the Purple Sails===
	~~<div style="float:right; width: 300px; clear: right;">~~{{CaptionedImage\|file=From out of the West.jpg\|caption=Ships set sail from Imperial ports for every corner of the Known World.\|align=left\|width=500}}~~</div> <div style="float:left; width: 300px; clear: right;"></div>~~		{{CaptionedImage\|file=From out of the West.jpg\|caption=Ships set sail from Imperial ports for every corner of the Known World.\|align=left\|width=500}}
	* '''The Fellowship want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to set tariffs'''		* '''The Fellowship want the Court of the Far Horizons to be given the power to set tariffs'''
	* '''If that happens, members of the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will join the new sodality en masse'''		* '''If that happens, members of the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will join the new sodality en masse'''

Matt at 11:44, 18 August 2026

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	The manifesto describes a sodality will be responsible for maritime trade and the actions of [[fleet\|fleets]] engaged in that [[Fleet#Trading\|trade]]. It is possible that the Throne intends the sodality to be responsible for ''foreign'' trade, which would be a much broader remit. The first truth of the sodality is that ''"merchant fleets represent the face of the Empire to... foreign nations"'', which implies the idea that the sodality has a very broad remit. However the Empire engages in extensive trade with [[Otkodov]], none of which is conducted via fleets. Likewise there is [[Merchant_to_Skoura\|trade with Skoura]] and orc septs like		The manifesto describes a sodality that will be responsible for maritime trade and the actions of [[fleet\|fleets]] engaged in that [[Fleet#Trading\|trade]]. It is possible that the Throne intends the sodality to be responsible for ''foreign'' trade, which would be a much broader remit. The first truth of the sodality is that ''"merchant fleets represent the face of the Empire to... foreign nations"'', which implies the idea that the sodality has a very broad remit. However the Empire engages in extensive trade with [[Otkodov]], none of which is conducted via fleets. Likewise there is [[Merchant_to_Skoura\|trade with Skoura]] and orc septs like [[Merchant_Prince_of_Misericorde_Market\|the Sand Fishers]] and [[Speaker_to_the_Leshun\|the Brannoc Orcs]], all of which is entirely overland. Constitutionally, the Throne could seek the creation of an Imperial sodality with responsibility for ''all'' foreign trade, but that would need a different manifesto, one which removed the elements about fleets.
	[[Merchant_Prince_of_Misericorde_Market\|the Sand Fishers]] and [[Speaker_to_the_Leshun\|the Brannoc Orcs]], all of which is entirely overland. Constitutionally, the Throne could seek the creation of an Imperial sodality with responsibility for ''all'' foreign trade, but that would need a different manifesto, one which removed the elements about fleets.

	The focus on maritime trade with other nations reduces the cross-over with the constitutional role of the [[Bourse]], but some conflicts will still arise. In these cases, the Court would inevitably need to weigh each case on their merits to assess how important trade was to the issue in question. For example, the production of the [[Steel Fist]] is contingent on trading relations with the [[Sarcophan Delves]]. As a Bourse seat dependent on trade, it ''could'' be changed by the Senate to grant the sodality the right to appoint it, but it could also be left with the Bourse since it produces [[ilium]]. A similar title that traded [[liao]] rather than ilium, would most likely need to be appointed by the new sodality.		The focus on maritime trade with other nations reduces the cross-over with the constitutional role of the [[Bourse]], but some conflicts will still arise. In these cases, the Court would inevitably need to weigh each case on their merits to assess how important trade was to the issue in question. For example, the production of the [[Steel Fist]] is contingent on trading relations with the [[Sarcophan Delves]]. As a Bourse seat dependent on trade, it ''could'' be changed by the Senate to grant the sodality the right to appoint it, but it could also be left with the Bourse since it produces [[ilium]]. A similar title that traded [[liao]] rather than ilium, would most likely need to be appointed by the new sodality.

Dre: /* Overview */

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Overview

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	At the recent summit, [[Emperor Vesna]], requested that the [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] [[Forever_is_composed_of_nows#The_Abraham_Gambit\|appraise the implications]] of a new [[Imperial sodality]], the ''Court of Far Horizons''. Any new Imperial sodality can have significant legal ramifications, which depend on the precise wording of its manifesto. The aim of the [[Civil Service\|civil service]] appraisal is to provide clarity on these consequences, to enable the [[Senate]] to better decide the matter.		At the recent summit, [[Emperor Vesna]], requested that the [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] [[Forever_is_composed_of_nows#The_Abraham_Gambit\|appraise the implications]] of a new [[Imperial sodality]], the ''Court of Far Horizons''. Any new Imperial sodality can have significant legal ramifications, which depend on the precise wording of its manifesto. The aim of the [[Civil Service\|civil service]] appraisal is to provide clarity on these consequences, to enable the [[Senate]] to better decide the matter.

	The request was timely, for that same day, [[Archmage of Autumn\|Archmage]] '''Vossk''' met with ''Ptolemy'' a [[herald]] of the so-called ''City of Salt and Sail'' for a [[Archmage#Plenipotentiary\|plenipotentiary]] in the [[Hall of Worlds]]. The City is an obscure power of the [[Realms#Autumn\|Autumn realm]], concerned with [[Autumn magic#Autumn_magic#Travel_and_Communication\|communication and travel]]. Their herald was keen to explore ways the City could work with the Empire to support the Court, should the appraisal go ahead.		The request was timely, for that same day, [[Archmage of Autumn\|Archmage]] '''Vossk''' met with ''Ptolemy'', a [[herald]] of the so-called ''City of Salt and Sail'' for a [[Archmage#Plenipotentiary\|plenipotentiary]] in the [[Hall of Worlds]]. The City is an obscure power of the [[Realms#Autumn\|Autumn realm]], concerned with [[Autumn magic#Autumn_magic#Travel_and_Communication\|communication and travel]]. Their herald was keen to explore ways the City could work with the Empire to support the Court, should the appraisal go ahead.

	==Consequences==		==Consequences==

Hailmur: /* The Bedelaar Huisbaas */

2026-07-13T02:55:08Z

The Bedelaar Huisbaas

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	The notoriously mercantile Sarcophan Delves enjoy positive relations with the Empire, but it is clear that one thing they do find frustrating is the way the Empire allows politics and religion to interfere with commerce. Such restrictive practices are anathema to the Sarcophan, most of whom prefer to place profits above what they see as confounding distractions.		The notoriously mercantile Sarcophan Delves enjoy positive relations with the Empire, but it is clear that one thing they do find frustrating is the way the Empire allows politics and religion to interfere with commerce. Such restrictive practices are anathema to the Sarcophan, most of whom prefer to place profits above what they see as confounding distractions.

	As such the leading families of the Sarcophan Delves are enthusiastic at the prospect of dealing with members of the Court of Far Horizons on a professional basis. Provided that the ~~three~~ potential titles [[#Potential_Titles\|listed above]] are given over to the new sodality, then the Bedelaar Huisbaas will provide "compensating payments" to the Imperial treasury equal to two thrones a season.		As such, the leading families of the Sarcophan Delves are enthusiastic at the prospect of dealing with members of the Court of Far Horizons on a professional basis. Provided that the four potential titles [[#Potential_Titles\|listed above]] are given over to the new sodality, then the Bedelaar Huisbaas will provide "compensating payments" to the Imperial treasury equal to two thrones a season.

	It is a relatively small contribution, however if the Senate will go further and also grant the sodality the right to appoint the bourse seats that are based on trade with the Sarcophan - that is the [[Custodian of the Concordium Dock]], the [[Prime Factor of the deBruin Docks]] and the [[Steel Fist]] - then the Sarcophan will increase the compensating payments to a total of eight thrones a season.		It is a relatively small contribution, however if the Senate will go further and also grant the sodality the right to appoint the bourse seats that are based on trade with the Sarcophan - that is the [[Custodian of the Concordium Dock]], the [[Prime Factor of the deBruin Docks]] and the [[Steel Fist]] - then the Sarcophan will increase the compensating payments to a total of eight thrones a season.

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Amended Titles

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	* '''~~Four~~ titles would be automatically amended to be appointed by the Court of Far Horizons'''		* '''Five titles would be automatically amended to be appointed by the Court of Far Horizons'''
	The civil service have identified four Imperial titles - and one title associated with a commission under progress - whose responsibilities are solely or primarily concerned with maritime trade, either overseeing and supporting such trade or directly benefiting thereby. A position such as the [[Kruidenkenner Trademaster]] is expected to oversee the trade of herbs between the ''Kruidenkenner'' (a [[Sarcophan Delves\|Sarcophan guild]]) and the Empire. If the proposed sodality were passed by the Senate, then the only constitutionally valid way to appoint the listed title would be by a vote of members of the sodality.		The civil service have identified four Imperial titles - and one title associated with a commission under progress - whose responsibilities are solely or primarily concerned with maritime trade, either overseeing and supporting such trade or directly benefiting thereby. A position such as the [[Kruidenkenner Trademaster]] is expected to oversee the trade of herbs between the ''Kruidenkenner'' (a [[Sarcophan Delves\|Sarcophan guild]]) and the Empire. If the proposed sodality were passed by the Senate, then the only constitutionally valid way to appoint the listed title would be by a vote of members of the sodality.

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The Fellowship of the Purple Sails

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	* '''If that happens, members of the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will join the new sodality en masse'''		* '''If that happens, members of the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will join the new sodality en masse'''
	* '''If the Court is given the power to set tariffs, then members of the sodality will be able to dock at Hayden in Sumaah'''		* '''If the Court is given the power to set tariffs, then members of the sodality will be able to dock at Hayden in Sumaah'''
	The [[Rise_of_the_Fellowship_of_Purple_Sails\|Fellowship of the Purple Sails]] is a large sodality of merchants and fleet captains that has extensive business operations across the Empire and beyond. It rarely takes a direct interest in politics, since most members spend much of their time at sea, but word of the new Imperial sodality has piqued their interest. The new sodality seems to encompass all the Fellowship's interests; many members of the Fellowship are eager to join the Court and their leadership are openly discussing joining en masse, ''should the sodality receive the backing of the Senate''.		The [[Rise_of_the_Fellowship_of_Purple_Sails\|Fellowship of the Purple Sails]] is a large sodality of merchants and fleet captains that has extensive business operations across the Empire and beyond. It rarely takes a direct interest in politics, since most members spend much of their time at sea, but word of the new Imperial sodality has piqued their interest. The new sodality seems to encompass all the Fellowship's interests; many members of the Fellowship are eager to join the Court, and their leadership are openly discussing joining en masse, ''should the sodality receive the backing of the Senate''.

	What concerns the Fellowship most is the fate of Imperial trade, and the assertion of the Court that the trade should never be hindered is what interests most Purple Sails. However they are only prepared to join the new sodality if it gains the seal of approval of the Throne and the Senate gives it the [[#Powers\|power to set tariffs]]. Without that, there is a concern that the sodality will be a toothless body that is unable to set or even influence Imperial trade policy.		What concerns the Fellowship most is the fate of Imperial trade, and the assertion of the Court that the trade should never be hindered is what interests most Purple Sails. However, they are only prepared to join the new sodality if it gains the seal of approval of the Throne and the Senate gives it the [[#Powers\|power to set tariffs]]. Without that, there is a concern that the sodality will be a toothless body that is unable to set or even influence Imperial trade policy.

	If the Court of the Far Horizons is given the power to set tariffs, then the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will be dissolved, with members moving to join the Court. If that happens, then the Fellowship will turn over one of their most valuable assets to the new sodality - docking rights at the port of ''Hayden'' in the [[Sumaah Republic]]. Hayden lies well over five hundred miles from Zemeh close to the limits of the rule of the [[Sumaah_Republic#Politics\|House of the People]].		If the Court of the Far Horizons is given the power to set tariffs, then the Fellowship of the Purple Sails will be dissolved, with members moving to join the Court. If that happens, then the Fellowship will turn over one of their most valuable assets to the new sodality - docking rights at the port of ''Hayden'' in the [[Sumaah Republic]]. Hayden lies well over five hundred miles from Zemeh close to the limits of the rule of the [[Sumaah_Republic#Politics\|House of the People]].

	The port does not customarily permit traders ~~form~~ the Empire to dock there. The Fellowship enjoys special privileges as a result of a private agreement with the High House of Prosperity, secured nearly a decade ago. This privilege could be transferred to the Court of the Far Horizons. Hayden is no more profitable than Zemeh or other ports Imperial fleets enjoy access to, but it does provide some unique goods that cannot be acquired elsewhere. The Purple Sails do not intend to disclose these details unless the Empire joins, since that information is only shared with other members of the Fellowship.		The port does not customarily permit traders from the Empire to dock there. The Fellowship enjoys special privileges as a result of a private agreement with the High House of Prosperity, secured nearly a decade ago. This privilege could be transferred to the Court of the Far Horizons. Hayden is no more profitable than Zemeh or other ports Imperial fleets enjoy access to, but it does provide some unique goods that cannot be acquired elsewhere. The Purple Sails do not intend to disclose these details unless the Empire joins, since that information is only shared with other members of the Fellowship.

			For as long as the Court of the Far Horizons have the power to set tariffs, members of the sodality (and only members of the sodality) will be able to dock at the port of Hayden.

	~~For as long as the Court of the Far Horizons have the power to set tariffs, members of the sodality (and only members of the sodality) will be able to dock at the port of Hayden.~~
	===The Bedelaar Huisbaas===		===The Bedelaar Huisbaas===
	<div style="float:right; width: 200px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=AmbassadorSarcophanDelves.jpg\|caption='''Dino i Riqueza''', Ambassador to the Sarcophan Delves\|align=right\|width=200}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 200px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=AmbassadorSarcophanDelves.jpg\|caption='''Dino i Riqueza''', Ambassador to the Sarcophan Delves\|align=right\|width=200}}</div>

Hailmur: /* Potential Titles */

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Potential Titles

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	<tr><td>[[Master of the Clearing House]]</td></tr>		<tr><td>[[Master of the Clearing House]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>[[Mayor of Caricomare]]</td></tr>		<tr><td>[[Mayor of Caricomare]]</td></tr>
			<tr><td>[[Construct Lisabetta Docks\|Prince of the Imperatrix Docks]]</td></tr>
	</table>		</table>
	</div>		</div>
	* '''Imperial titles whose responsibilities partially rely on maritime trade could be elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''		* '''Imperial titles whose responsibilities partially rely on maritime trade could be elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''
	* '''The titles will continue to be elected by senators if the Senate declines to act'''		* '''The titles will continue to be elected by senators if the Senate declines to act'''
	* '''There are ~~three extant~~ titles that could be changed with a single Senate motion to have them all elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''		* '''There are four titles that could be changed with a single Senate motion to have them all elected by the Court of Far Horizons'''
	The civil service have identified a set of Imperial titles whose responsibilities include oversight of maritime trade, but it is not their primary responsibility. In all cases the titles were originally created with other responsibilities and have become associated with foreign trade as a result of subsequent developments. It would be possible for the Court of the Far Horizons to appoint these ~~three~~ titles - because of their association with maritime trade - but it is not obligatory.		The civil service have identified a set of three Imperial titles whose responsibilities include oversight of maritime trade, but it is not their primary responsibility. In all cases, the titles were originally created with other responsibilities and have become associated with foreign trade as a result of subsequent developments. There is an additional title, the [[Construct Lisabetta Docks\|Prince of the Imperatrix Docks]], whose commission is in progress, which is also involved with maritime trade. It would be possible for the Court of the Far Horizons to appoint these four titles - because of their association with maritime trade - but it is not obligatory.

	Given their split responsibilities, creating the new sodality wouldn't change the appointment method of any of the positions. They could be amended by the Senate; a single [[Senate motion\|motion]] could be used to amend any one title or all three simultaneously if desired, making them appointments of the Court of Far Horizons.		Given their split responsibilities, creating the new sodality wouldn't change the appointment method of any of the positions. They could be amended by the Senate; a single [[Senate motion\|motion]] could be used to amend any one title or all three simultaneously if desired, making them appointments of the Court of Far Horizons.

	The current [[Master_of_the_Clearing_House#Constitutional_Note\|appointment method]] of the [[Master of the Clearing House]] is unconstitutional. The title could be appointed by the [[Imperial Apothecaries Guild]] or by the Court of Far Horizons; either amendment would remove the current constitutional problems with the title.		The current [[Master_of_the_Clearing_House#Constitutional_Note\|appointment method]] of the [[Master of the Clearing House]] is unconstitutional. The title could be appointed by the [[Imperial Apothecaries Guild]] or by the Court of Far Horizons; either amendment would remove the current constitutional problems with the title.

	===Potential Bourse Titles===		===Potential Bourse Titles===
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