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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial army" to "[[Army"

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	During the Winter Solstice two landmark [[mandate\|mandates]] were enacted, one by the Imperial Orcs and one by the Marchers. '''Rosie of Goatsbridge''' has been busy in the Marches, making it clear that the former Jotun thralls are part of the Marches, virtuous souls who are welcomed, and who should be defended against anyone who might harm them - just as the Marchers would defend any of their neighbours against attack. '''Bloodcrow Knott''' echoes these words, letting their own people know that these former Jotun are Marchers, demanding the Empire recognise them as such, and encouraging Imperial Orcs to share their understanding of the Abyss and the ancestors with them in the hopes of finding some middle ground.		During the Winter Solstice two landmark [[mandate\|mandates]] were enacted, one by the Imperial Orcs and one by the Marchers. '''Rosie of Goatsbridge''' has been busy in the Marches, making it clear that the former Jotun thralls are part of the Marches, virtuous souls who are welcomed, and who should be defended against anyone who might harm them - just as the Marchers would defend any of their neighbours against attack. '''Bloodcrow Knott''' echoes these words, letting their own people know that these former Jotun are Marchers, demanding the Empire recognise them as such, and encouraging Imperial Orcs to share their understanding of the Abyss and the ancestors with them in the hopes of finding some middle ground.

	These two mandates ensure that if anyone - Imperial or otherwise - threatens the orcs of the Marches, they will not be undefended. When the whole of the Marches are threatened, they won't get or expect special treatment. But if anyone tries to single the Marcher orcs out, then the people of both nations will expect their representatives at Anvil to come to their defence - with [[~~Imperial army~~\|armies]] if necessary.		These two mandates ensure that if anyone - Imperial or otherwise - threatens the orcs of the Marches, they will not be undefended. When the whole of the Marches are threatened, they won't get or expect special treatment. But if anyone tries to single the Marcher orcs out, then the people of both nations will expect their representatives at Anvil to come to their defence - with [[Army\|armies]] if necessary.
	<div style="float:right; width: 500px; clear: right;"><quote by="Marcher proverb">Plenty of time to argue once the wheat's in the barn.</quote></div>		<div style="float:right; width: 500px; clear: right;"><quote by="Marcher proverb">Plenty of time to argue once the wheat's in the barn.</quote></div>
	The impact of the mandate is downplayed in the Marches, with a lot of people voicing sentiments such as "''well of course if they're Marchers we'd stick up for them''." It's laughed off a little, but deep down a lot of people are pleased to hear it. It clarifies things, it makes it clear that this isn't a game or a fad. The Marcher orcs are here, and they're Marchers, and that's settled. Even if there might be arguments about reincarnation, they can wait until the harvest is brought in.		The impact of the mandate is downplayed in the Marches, with a lot of people voicing sentiments such as "''well of course if they're Marchers we'd stick up for them''." It's laughed off a little, but deep down a lot of people are pleased to hear it. It clarifies things, it makes it clear that this isn't a game or a fad. The Marcher orcs are here, and they're Marchers, and that's settled. Even if there might be arguments about reincarnation, they can wait until the harvest is brought in.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

2026-01-15T12:53:40Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	* '''A massive cursed block of rune-carved stone has been dredged up and people are rightly a bit worried about it'''		* '''A massive cursed block of rune-carved stone has been dredged up and people are rightly a bit worried about it'''
	* '''The hastily convened Westmere Council has asked the Senator for Mitwold, Sally, to make a decision about what to do with the rock'''		* '''The hastily convened Westmere Council has asked the Senator for Mitwold, Sally, to make a decision about what to do with the rock'''
	In autumn last year the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] supported a motion from the [[Senator]] for [[Mitwold]], and supported by the Senator for Kallavesa, calling for the West Mere to be dredged. It was a serious undertaking, deepening the bay, clearing debris, and otherwise improving shipping access to both Meade and Fisk. Both territories, both nations, stand to benefit from the move, not least due to [[Butterfly_in_reverse#Dredging_the_Westmere\|improved opportunities]] to trade with the coastal towns and cities of [[Faraden]] on the [[Sea of Snow]]. With work now complete, new business opportunities have opened up in Bregasland, Mitwold, and Kallavesa alike. The [[Alder of Meade]] and [[Mediator of Fisk]] will be appointed during the Spring Equinox, and start dealing with trade from with the Tseriyn and the Salagiin. Whatever else is going on in the world, opening the West Mere has prompted a boom of prosperity around the Gullet.		In autumn last year the [[Senate]] supported a motion from the [[Senator]] for [[Mitwold]], and supported by the Senator for Kallavesa, calling for the West Mere to be dredged. It was a serious undertaking, deepening the bay, clearing debris, and otherwise improving shipping access to both Meade and Fisk. Both territories, both nations, stand to benefit from the move, not least due to [[Butterfly_in_reverse#Dredging_the_Westmere\|improved opportunities]] to trade with the coastal towns and cities of [[Faraden]] on the [[Sea of Snow]]. With work now complete, new business opportunities have opened up in Bregasland, Mitwold, and Kallavesa alike. The [[Alder of Meade]] and [[Mediator of Fisk]] will be appointed during the Spring Equinox, and start dealing with trade from with the Tseriyn and the Salagiin. Whatever else is going on in the world, opening the West Mere has prompted a boom of prosperity around the Gullet.

	The dredging has been somewhat profitable for those involved in actually performing the hard labour needed to clear the sediment from the bed of the Westmere. Centuries of shipwrecks and lost items, along with small amounts of gold, orichalcum, and even ilium, have been recovered. Along with something else. Something a lot larger, and perhaps a little bit worrying. It takes two weeks to actually shift the thing, and in the process two of the boats working to lift it end up sunk. It's as if the thing doesn't ''want'' to be pulled out of the waters at all. It sits there, dripping, on the shore. A massive stone, marked with Wintermark [[runes]].		The dredging has been somewhat profitable for those involved in actually performing the hard labour needed to clear the sediment from the bed of the Westmere. Centuries of shipwrecks and lost items, along with small amounts of gold, orichalcum, and even ilium, have been recovered. Along with something else. Something a lot larger, and perhaps a little bit worrying. It takes two weeks to actually shift the thing, and in the process two of the boats working to lift it end up sunk. It's as if the thing doesn't ''want'' to be pulled out of the waters at all. It sits there, dripping, on the shore. A massive stone, marked with Wintermark [[runes]].

Twiggy at 19:50, 9 August 2025

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Thespaceinvader at 14:50, 4 August 2025

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	The mandate of Bloodcrow Knott has also softened some of the prickly feelings the Marcher orcs feel towards the orcs of Skarsind. Most don't want to argue matters of spirituality with orc [[preachers]], but those that do prove that they are capable of giving as good as they get. Three months of winter discussion have reinforced what the Marcher orcs have said all along - they believe they reincarnate and they say they have just as much "evidence" for this as humans did before the Way. Children who possess knowledge beyond their years. Flashes of profound ''deja vu''. Moments of clear certainty that they have lived before. It's ephemeral, but the beliefs it anchors are solid as bedrock.		The mandate of Bloodcrow Knott has also softened some of the prickly feelings the Marcher orcs feel towards the orcs of Skarsind. Most don't want to argue matters of spirituality with orc [[preachers]], but those that do prove that they are capable of giving as good as they get. Three months of winter discussion have reinforced what the Marcher orcs have said all along - they believe they reincarnate and they say they have just as much "evidence" for this as humans did before the Way. Children who possess knowledge beyond their years. Flashes of profound ''deja vu''. Moments of clear certainty that they have lived before. It's ephemeral, but the beliefs it anchors are solid as bedrock.

	There's an element of all this that is surprisingly helpful to the Imperial Orcs, incidentally. The spiritual leaders - don't call them ''~~godhi~~'' - among the Marcher orcs know a fair amount about the Jotun ancestors as well. They hear their voices from time to time, alongside the voices of ancestors they are pretty sure lived most of their lives as thralls. They're able to tentatively put names to some of the voices the Imperial Orcs hear, fill in a few stories about [[Elite_Jotun_troops#The_Kirkja\|the faðir]], and ponder on what it means that some Imperial Orcs clearly hear the voices of Jotun ancestors.		There's an element of all this that is surprisingly helpful to the Imperial Orcs, incidentally. The spiritual leaders - don't call them ''ghodi'' - among the Marcher orcs know a fair amount about the Jotun ancestors as well. They hear their voices from time to time, alongside the voices of ancestors they are pretty sure lived most of their lives as thralls. They're able to tentatively put names to some of the voices the Imperial Orcs hear, fill in a few stories about [[Elite_Jotun_troops#The_Kirkja\|the faðir]], and ponder on what it means that some Imperial Orcs clearly hear the voices of Jotun ancestors.

	There is a clod in the milk - isn't there always - but at the moment it's a relatively minor one and it's partly the fault of '''Henry Fletcher'''		There is a clod in the milk - isn't there always - but at the moment it's a relatively minor one and it's partly the fault of '''Henry Fletcher'''
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	* '''A few questions have been raised about whether it's a good idea for orcs to become monks'''		* '''A few questions have been raised about whether it's a good idea for orcs to become monks'''
	* '''Abbots and orc friars across the Marches are interested to hear what the national assembly thinks'''		* '''Abbots and orc friars across the Marches are interested to hear what the national assembly thinks'''
	The Marcher Orcs have their own spiritual leaders - people who're seen as especially wise. Hap the Soft is one of them. They're not ''~~godhi~~'' as such - in fact they don't really have a specific name. The more open they are about their role, the more obvious it seems that they are effectively fulfilling the role of ''friar'' in the Marcher orc communities. They tend to spiritual needs, and exert the kind of gentle but far-reaching influence that is familiar to anyone who's spoken to a "village priest." In the Mournwold, at least when it comes to common sense matters of virtue, humans and orcs don't seem to have a problem taking good advice from the friars of either community.		The Marcher Orcs have their own spiritual leaders - people who're seen as especially wise. Hap the Soft is one of them. They're not ''ghodi'' as such - in fact they don't really have a specific name. The more open they are about their role, the more obvious it seems that they are effectively fulfilling the role of ''friar'' in the Marcher orc communities. They tend to spiritual needs, and exert the kind of gentle but far-reaching influence that is familiar to anyone who's spoken to a "village priest." In the Mournwold, at least when it comes to common sense matters of virtue, humans and orcs don't seem to have a problem taking good advice from the friars of either community.

	During the Winter Solstice, '''Henry Fletcher''' raised a [[statement of principle]] that was supported by the Marcher Assembly. Part of it dealt with matters of soldiers and armies, but it also said it was important to "''recognise their skills and ambitions and gladly anticipate the blending of our cultures''." For the most part, this is almost inevitable, and a similar subtle process is taking place in [[the League]] as well. What else would you call an orc in the Marches who works and owns their own land, if not a [[Yeoman of the Marches\|yeoman]]? Military service is still military service if one heals and supports soldiers, even if one doesn't fight oneself. An orc coven that uses magic to support the nation is likely to be accepted as a gathering of landskeepers. And so on. Just as in the League, the orcs are bringing new perspectives to their neighbours - they're subtly altering the archetypal Marcher traditional roles just as they themselves are altered by them. That's natural, and an inevitable part of accepting the former thralls as fellow citizens.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Henry Fletcher''' raised a [[statement of principle]] that was supported by the Marcher Assembly. Part of it dealt with matters of soldiers and armies, but it also said it was important to "''recognise their skills and ambitions and gladly anticipate the blending of our cultures''." For the most part, this is almost inevitable, and a similar subtle process is taking place in [[the League]] as well. What else would you call an orc in the Marches who works and owns their own land, if not a [[Yeoman of the Marches\|yeoman]]? Military service is still military service if one heals and supports soldiers, even if one doesn't fight oneself. An orc coven that uses magic to support the nation is likely to be accepted as a gathering of landskeepers. And so on. Just as in the League, the orcs are bringing new perspectives to their neighbours - they're subtly altering the archetypal Marcher traditional roles just as they themselves are altered by them. That's natural, and an inevitable part of accepting the former thralls as fellow citizens.

Rafferty: /* Resolution */

2024-07-22T19:30:53Z

Resolution

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	==Resolution==		==Resolution==
	~~<onlyinclude>~~
	* '''The Marcher Synod passed mandates to confirm the important link between each one of their armies and the territory from where most of the soldieres are drawn'''		* '''The Marcher Synod passed mandates to confirm the important link between each one of their armies and the territory from where most of the soldieres are drawn'''
	* '''The four armies will enjoy a permanent benefit when fighting to defend the territory they are associcated with'''		* '''The four armies will enjoy a permanent benefit when fighting to defend the territory they are associcated with'''
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	The Marcher synod chose to pass the three mandates, asking [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_156\|Larkin Otterways]], [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_165\|Sister Meredith]] and [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_119\|Friar John of the Mourn]] to spread word of the oaths across the Marches. Everyone is aware that a solemn oath has been sworn that the army will return to defend the territory if it is ever attacked. General Amberlain has already sworn a similar oath that the Strong Reeds would defend Bregasland.		The Marcher synod chose to pass the three mandates, asking [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_156\|Larkin Otterways]], [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_165\|Sister Meredith]] and [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_119\|Friar John of the Mourn]] to spread word of the oaths across the Marches. Everyone is aware that a solemn oath has been sworn that the army will return to defend the territory if it is ever attacked. General Amberlain has already sworn a similar oath that the Strong Reeds would defend Bregasland.

	If that doesn't happen, if one of the Marcher territories is attacked, and the oath-sworn army doesn't immediately return to defend the land in the season that follows, then the oath will have been broken.~~</onlyinclude>~~		If that doesn't happen, if one of the Marcher territories is attacked, and the oath-sworn army doesn't immediately return to defend the land in the season that follows, then the oath will have been broken.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==

Rafferty: /* Resolution */

2024-07-22T19:29:03Z

Resolution

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	==Resolution==		==Resolution==
			<onlyinclude>
	* '''The Marcher Synod passed mandates to confirm the important link between each one of their armies and the territory from where most of the soldieres are drawn'''		* '''The Marcher Synod passed mandates to confirm the important link between each one of their armies and the territory from where most of the soldieres are drawn'''
	* '''The four armies will enjoy a permanent benefit when fighting to defend the territory they are associcated with'''		* '''The four armies will enjoy a permanent benefit when fighting to defend the territory they are associcated with'''
	* '''The oath will be considered broken if the armies do not return to defend the territory the season after it is attacked'''		* '''The oath will be considered broken if the armies do not return to defend the territory the season after it is attacked'''

	The Marcher synod chose to pass the three mandates, asking [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_156\|Larkin Otterways]], [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_165\|Sister Meredith]] and [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_119\|Friar John of the Mourn]] to spread word of the oaths across the Marches. Everyone is aware that a solemn oath has been sworn that the army will return to defend the territory if it is ever attacked. General Amberlain has already sworn a similar oath that the Strong Reeds would defend Bregasland.		The Marcher synod chose to pass the three mandates, asking [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_156\|Larkin Otterways]], [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_165\|Sister Meredith]] and [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_119\|Friar John of the Mourn]] to spread word of the oaths across the Marches. Everyone is aware that a solemn oath has been sworn that the army will return to defend the territory if it is ever attacked. General Amberlain has already sworn a similar oath that the Strong Reeds would defend Bregasland.

	If that doesn't happen, if one of the Marcher territories is attacked, and the oath-sworn army doesn't immediately return to defend the land in the season that follows, then the oath will have been broken.		If that doesn't happen, if one of the Marcher territories is attacked, and the oath-sworn army doesn't immediately return to defend the land in the season that follows, then the oath will have been broken.</onlyinclude>

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==

Matt: /* Further Reading */

2024-07-22T19:18:52Z

Dre at 16:22, 11 June 2024

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Hailmur: /* Reeds, Drakes, Tusks, Bounders */

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Reeds, Drakes, Tusks, Bounders

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	{{Mandate\|assembly=Marcher National Assembly\|mandate=Know your heart and what commands its devotion above all else. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to let everyone in Upwold know that the Bounders will always calls Upwold home, and they will never abandon it.}}		{{Mandate\|assembly=Marcher National Assembly\|mandate=Know your heart and what commands its devotion above all else. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to let everyone in Upwold know that the Bounders will always calls Upwold home, and they will never abandon it.}}
	{{Mandate\|assembly=Marcher National Assembly\|mandate=Know your heart and what commands its devotion above all else. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to let everyone in the Mournwold know that the Tusks will always fight to keep them safe.}}		{{Mandate\|assembly=Marcher National Assembly\|mandate=Know your heart and what commands its devotion above all else. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to let everyone in the Mournwold know that the Tusks will always fight to keep them safe.}}
	<div style="float:right; width: 500px; clear: right;"><box>'''Pewter and Lictors'''<br>When the proposal was first put forward to cement the link between the Strong Reeds and Bregasland, a Landskeeper from North Fens called Larkin Pewter brought up the possibility of getting the oath witnessed by the [[Lictors]] of the Autumn Realm. He's raised the same suggestion again, but this time it has no traction at all. "Why would we need Lictors to hold our generals to an oath?" and "Our Amberlain was too smart to get tangled up like that, why would any of the other generals be any more foolish?"<br><br>Perhaps just as relevant, one of the heralds of the Autumn realm busy working to arrange the [[Cities_of_the_Iron_Labyrinth\|deals secured by the Autumn Archmage]] throws their own unsolicited opinion into the mix. A visitor from the [[Ephisis\|City of Gold and Lead]] they are amused and aghast in equal measure when they hear of Larkin's proposal. "Never invoke the Lictors for something like this," they say once they have been reassured it's not a joke. "Never ask the Lictors to ensure an agreement where bad luck might be all it takes to cause you to default. Because they will never care why the agreement is broken, only that it ''has'' been broken, and there are no clemency pleas when you deal with the Green Iron Prison." <br><br>Larkin Pewter ~~has reclaimed his little charm,~~ has returned to his home in North Fens, and is reportedly having a proper sulk.</box></div>		<div style="float:right; width: 500px; clear: right;"><box>'''Pewter and Lictors'''<br>When the proposal was first put forward to cement the link between the Strong Reeds and Bregasland, a Landskeeper from North Fens called Larkin Pewter brought up the possibility of getting the oath witnessed by the [[Lictors]] of the Autumn Realm. He's raised the same suggestion again, but this time it has no traction at all. "Why would we need Lictors to hold our generals to an oath?" and "Our Amberlain was too smart to get tangled up like that, why would any of the other generals be any more foolish?"<br><br>Perhaps just as relevant, one of the heralds of the Autumn realm busy working to arrange the [[Cities_of_the_Iron_Labyrinth\|deals secured by the Autumn Archmage]] throws their own unsolicited opinion into the mix. A visitor from the [[Ephisis\|City of Gold and Lead]] they are amused and aghast in equal measure when they hear of Larkin's proposal. "Never invoke the Lictors for something like this," they say once they have been reassured it's not a joke. "Never ask the Lictors to ensure an agreement where bad luck might be all it takes to cause you to default. Because they will never care why the agreement is broken, only that it ''has'' been broken, and there are no clemency pleas when you deal with the Green Iron Prison." <br><br>Larkin Pewter has returned to his home in North Fens, and is reportedly having a proper sulk about getting his little pewter charm back.</box></div>
	If one of these mandates is enacted, then it will cement the connection between army, people, and land. And the Marchers take land very seriously indeed. As a result the army will gain a bonus equivalent to a thousand additional strength whenever they are fighting in their "home territory" reflecting the armed support they will receive from their fellow yeofolk. It won't matter when, nor who the general is. It won't matter if the army are defending, or attacking to drive an invader out. It won't even matter who they are attacking or defending against. Marcher yeofolk, human and orc, will support them in their struggle.		If one of these mandates is enacted, then it will cement the connection between army, people, and land. And the Marchers take land very seriously indeed. As a result the army will gain a bonus equivalent to a thousand additional strength whenever they are fighting in their "home territory" reflecting the armed support they will receive from their fellow yeofolk. It won't matter when, nor who the general is. It won't matter if the army are defending, or attacking to drive an invader out. It won't even matter who they are attacking or defending against. Marcher yeofolk, human and orc, will support them in their struggle.

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	'''Timing:''' Note that as with other mandates, these are ''only'' available during the Spring Equinox. After that the inspiration of General Amberlain and Larkin Otterways will have faded.		'''Timing:''' Note that as with other mandates, these are ''only'' available during the Spring Equinox. After that the inspiration of General Amberlain and Larkin Otterways will have faded.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[New port, old wine]] - 386YE Spring Wind of Fortune relating other events in Bregasland		* [[New port, old wine]] - 386YE Spring Wind of Fortune relating other events in Bregasland
	* [[Fighting fish]] - 386YE Spring Wind of Fortune mostly talking about Bushel Sykes		* [[Fighting fish]] - 386YE Spring Wind of Fortune mostly talking about Bushel Sykes
	* [[Mournwold Orcs]]		* [[Mournwold Orcs]]

Novemberalice: /* The Monk Question */

2024-06-11T14:56:48Z

The Monk Question

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	During the Winter Solstice, '''Henry Fletcher''' raised a [[statement of principle]] that was supported by the Marcher Assembly. Part of it dealt with matters of soldiers and armies, but it also said it was important to "''recognise their skills and ambitions and gladly anticipate the blending of our cultures''." For the most part, this is almost inevitable, and a similar subtle process is taking place in [[the League]] as well. What else would you call an orc in the Marches who works and owns their own land, if not a [[Yeoman of the Marches\|yeoman]]? Military service is still military service if one heals and supports soldiers, even if one doesn't fight oneself. An orc coven that uses magic to support the nation is likely to be accepted as a gathering of landskeepers. And so on. Just as in the League, the orcs are bringing new perspectives to their neighbours - they're subtly altering the archetypal Marcher traditional roles just as they themselves are altered by them. That's natural, and an inevitable part of accepting the former thralls as fellow citizens.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Henry Fletcher''' raised a [[statement of principle]] that was supported by the Marcher Assembly. Part of it dealt with matters of soldiers and armies, but it also said it was important to "''recognise their skills and ambitions and gladly anticipate the blending of our cultures''." For the most part, this is almost inevitable, and a similar subtle process is taking place in [[the League]] as well. What else would you call an orc in the Marches who works and owns their own land, if not a [[Yeoman of the Marches\|yeoman]]? Military service is still military service if one heals and supports soldiers, even if one doesn't fight oneself. An orc coven that uses magic to support the nation is likely to be accepted as a gathering of landskeepers. And so on. Just as in the League, the orcs are bringing new perspectives to their neighbours - they're subtly altering the archetypal Marcher traditional roles just as they themselves are altered by them. That's natural, and an inevitable part of accepting the former thralls as fellow citizens.

	There's one area, however, where there's a little bit of uncertainty (well two technically right now, but the [[The_Marches_military_concerns#Beaters\|beaters]] are [[#Beating_the_Banks\|a slightly different matter]]. The [[Monastery\|monasteries]] are communities of [[Monastery#Monks\|monks]] that have been at the heart of Marcher spiritual beliefs since before there was an Empire. Their tradition isn't really practiced among the Marcher orcs - while there are some peripheral similarities between some monasteries and the Kirkja of the Jotun, thralls don't become active parts of the Kirkja. There's no animosity between the monasteries and the orcs, but so far there are no orc monasteries and no orcs who have petitioned to become monks. But... it's only a matter of time. And there are some concerns.		There's one area, however, where there's a little bit of uncertainty (well two technically right now, but the [[The_Marches_military_concerns#Beaters\|beaters]] are [[#Beating_the_Banks\|a slightly different matter]]). The [[Monastery\|monasteries]] are communities of [[Monastery#Monks\|monks]] that have been at the heart of Marcher spiritual beliefs since before there was an Empire. Their tradition isn't really practiced among the Marcher orcs - while there are some peripheral similarities between some monasteries and the Kirkja of the Jotun, thralls don't become active parts of the Kirkja. There's no animosity between the monasteries and the orcs, but so far there are no orc monasteries and no orcs who have petitioned to become monks. But... it's only a matter of time. And there are some concerns.

	The Marcher orcs believe they reincarnate, and [[the Doctrines of the Faith]] say they don't. Specifically, the [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_the_Howling_Abyss\|Doctrine of the Howling Abyss]] flatly contradicts Marcher orc beliefs. Right now, thanks to the fine work done by the Marcher assembly, people are working round that in the best faith they can manage. But if a Marcher orc joins a monastery, what then? Right now it's not an issue, but a few abbots have suggested the Marcher Assembly might want to get ahead of it. Or at least start thinking about it. Individual abbots will make their own decisions about whether to accept orcs, but its a potential source of friction. Nobody is demanding a [[statement of principle]] or anything like that, but there's both human and orc folk who'd be interested to hear the Marcher assemblies' thoughts on the matter of orc monks.		The Marcher orcs believe they reincarnate, and [[the Doctrines of the Faith]] say they don't. Specifically, the [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_the_Howling_Abyss\|Doctrine of the Howling Abyss]] flatly contradicts Marcher orc beliefs. Right now, thanks to the fine work done by the Marcher assembly, people are working round that in the best faith they can manage. But if a Marcher orc joins a monastery, what then? Right now it's not an issue, but a few abbots have suggested the Marcher Assembly might want to get ahead of it. Or at least start thinking about it. Individual abbots will make their own decisions about whether to accept orcs, but its a potential source of friction. Nobody is demanding a [[statement of principle]] or anything like that, but there's both human and orc folk who'd be interested to hear the Marcher assemblies' thoughts on the matter of orc monks.

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	During the Winter Solstice, '''Henry Fletcher''' raised a [[statement of principle]] that was supported by the Marcher Assembly. Part of it dealt with matters of soldiers and armies, but it also said it was important to "''recognise their skills and ambitions and gladly anticipate the blending of our cultures''." For the most part, this is almost inevitable, and a similar subtle process is taking place in [[the League]] as well. What else would you call an orc in the Marches who works and owns their own land, if not a [[Yeoman of the Marches\|yeoman]]? Military service is still military service if one heals and supports soldiers, even if one doesn't fight oneself. An orc coven that uses magic to support the nation is likely to be accepted as a gathering of landskeepers. And so on. Just as in the League, the orcs are bringing new perspectives to their neighbours - they're subtly altering the archetypal Marcher traditional roles just as they themselves are altered by them. That's natural, and an inevitable part of accepting the former thralls as fellow citizens.		During the Winter Solstice, '''Henry Fletcher''' raised a [[statement of principle]] that was supported by the Marcher Assembly. Part of it dealt with matters of soldiers and armies, but it also said it was important to "''recognise their skills and ambitions and gladly anticipate the blending of our cultures''." For the most part, this is almost inevitable, and a similar subtle process is taking place in [[the League]] as well. What else would you call an orc in the Marches who works and owns their own land, if not a [[Yeoman of the Marches\|yeoman]]? Military service is still military service if one heals and supports soldiers, even if one doesn't fight oneself. An orc coven that uses magic to support the nation is likely to be accepted as a gathering of landskeepers. And so on. Just as in the League, the orcs are bringing new perspectives to their neighbours - they're subtly altering the archetypal Marcher traditional roles just as they themselves are altered by them. That's natural, and an inevitable part of accepting the former thralls as fellow citizens.

	There's one area, however, where there's a little bit of uncertainty (well two technically right now, but the [[The_Marches_military_concerns#Beaters\|beaters]] are [[#Beating_the_Banks\|a slightly different matter]]. The [[Monastery\|monasteries]] are communities of [[Monastery#Monks\|monks]] that have been at the heart of Marcher spiritual beliefs since before there was an Empire. Their tradition isn't really practiced among the Marcher orcs - while there are some peripheral similarities between some monasteries and the Kirkja of the Jotun, thralls don't become active parts of the Kirkja. There's no animosity between the monasteries and the orcs, but so far there are no orc monasteries and no orcs who have petitioned to become monks. But... it's only a matter of time. And there are some concerns.		There's one area, however, where there's a little bit of uncertainty (well two technically right now, but the [[The_Marches_military_concerns#Beaters\|beaters]] are [[#Beating_the_Banks\|a slightly different matter]]). The [[Monastery\|monasteries]] are communities of [[Monastery#Monks\|monks]] that have been at the heart of Marcher spiritual beliefs since before there was an Empire. Their tradition isn't really practiced among the Marcher orcs - while there are some peripheral similarities between some monasteries and the Kirkja of the Jotun, thralls don't become active parts of the Kirkja. There's no animosity between the monasteries and the orcs, but so far there are no orc monasteries and no orcs who have petitioned to become monks. But... it's only a matter of time. And there are some concerns.

	The Marcher orcs believe they reincarnate, and [[the Doctrines of the Faith]] say they don't. Specifically, the [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_the_Howling_Abyss\|Doctrine of the Howling Abyss]] flatly contradicts Marcher orc beliefs. Right now, thanks to the fine work done by the Marcher assembly, people are working round that in the best faith they can manage. But if a Marcher orc joins a monastery, what then? Right now it's not an issue, but a few abbots have suggested the Marcher Assembly might want to get ahead of it. Or at least start thinking about it. Individual abbots will make their own decisions about whether to accept orcs, but its a potential source of friction. Nobody is demanding a [[statement of principle]] or anything like that, but there's both human and orc folk who'd be interested to hear the Marcher assemblies' thoughts on the matter of orc monks.		The Marcher orcs believe they reincarnate, and [[the Doctrines of the Faith]] say they don't. Specifically, the [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_the_Howling_Abyss\|Doctrine of the Howling Abyss]] flatly contradicts Marcher orc beliefs. Right now, thanks to the fine work done by the Marcher assembly, people are working round that in the best faith they can manage. But if a Marcher orc joins a monastery, what then? Right now it's not an issue, but a few abbots have suggested the Marcher Assembly might want to get ahead of it. Or at least start thinking about it. Individual abbots will make their own decisions about whether to accept orcs, but its a potential source of friction. Nobody is demanding a [[statement of principle]] or anything like that, but there's both human and orc folk who'd be interested to hear the Marcher assemblies' thoughts on the matter of orc monks.

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	“No – no, I don't think we're!” He fumbled the words. He had a growing sense of uncertainty - not panic precisely. Just the feeling things were running away from him.		“No – no, I don't think we're!” He fumbled the words. He had a growing sense of uncertainty - not panic precisely. Just the feeling things were running away from him.

	“I’d join meself,"Collin rambled on. "Only the farm takes up most of the day, and at night I just like a cup of tea, I wouldn’t be able to dedicate meself full time to the old beating.”		“I’d join meself," Collin rambled on. "Only the farm takes up most of the day, and at night I just like a cup of tea, I wouldn’t be able to dedicate meself full time to the old beating.”

	“Good for you Artur!” A new voice chimed in.		“Good for you Artur!” A new voice chimed in.
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	On which topic... the abbot mentions an obscure [[385YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_176\|judgement]] that came up in the Marches assembly this time last year. '''Edmund of Barrowby''' made reference to the brightsmiths, and that raises an intriguing alternative. Isn't the forge stone tied up in the ancient agreement with the [[Estavus\|Prince of Shikal]]? Finding a way to sort this stone out without further damage to the Marches might be an excellent chance for''' William Guildenstern''' and '''Gemma Brightsmith''' to "''revitalise the tradition of the Brightsmiths''?"		On which topic... the abbot mentions an obscure [[385YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_176\|judgement]] that came up in the Marches assembly this time last year. '''Edmund of Barrowby''' made reference to the brightsmiths, and that raises an intriguing alternative. Isn't the forge stone tied up in the ancient agreement with the [[Estavus\|Prince of Shikal]]? Finding a way to sort this stone out without further damage to the Marches might be an excellent chance for''' William Guildenstern''' and '''Gemma Brightsmith''' to "''revitalise the tradition of the Brightsmiths''?"
	{{SOP\|statement=We meant what we said, the pursuit of virtue supersedes doctrine and the law. The life of the Mournwold Orcs is one of Virtue and this assembly welcome them to the Marches. We send Rosie of Goatsbridge with 50 doses of liao to make sure the Marches know what's what. We will defend our cousins against any who might attack them.\|by=Sister Meredith, Mandate, Marches Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 216-0\|when=Winter Solstice 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=We meant what we said, the pursuit of virtue supersedes doctrine and the law. The life of the Mournwold Orcs is one of Virtue and this assembly welcome them to the Marches. We send Rosie of Goatsbridge with 50 doses of liao to make sure the Marches know what's what. We will defend our cousins against any who might attack them.\|by=Sister Meredith, Mandate, Marches Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 216-0\|when=Winter Solstice 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=The matter of orc souls should be left to orcs. We send Bloodcrow Knott with 25 doses of liao to let Imperial Orcs know that the Mourn Orcs are Marchers. We demand the humans of the Empire give our new siblings time while we offer them guidance in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors..\|by=Bloodcrow Pip, Mandate, Imperial Orcs Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 182-0\|when=Winter Solstice 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=The matter of orc souls should be left to orcs. We send Bloodcrow Knott with 25 doses of liao to let Imperial Orcs know that the Mourn Orcs are Marchers. We demand the humans of the Empire give our new siblings time while we offer them guidance in the ways of the Abyss and Ancestors.\|by=Bloodcrow Pip, Mandate, Imperial Orcs Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 182-0\|when=Winter Solstice 385YE}}

	==Neighbours==		==Neighbours==
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	==Resolution==		==Resolution==
	* '''The Marcher Synod passed mandates to confirm the important link between each one of their armies and the territory from where most of the ~~soldieres~~ are drawn'''		* '''The Marcher Synod passed mandates to confirm the important link between each one of their armies and the territory from where most of the soldiers are drawn'''
	* '''The four armies will enjoy a permanent benefit when fighting to defend the territory they are ~~associcated~~ with'''		* '''The four armies will enjoy a permanent benefit when fighting to defend the territory they are associated with'''
	* '''The oath will be considered broken if the armies do not return to defend the territory the season after it is attacked'''		* '''The oath will be considered broken if the armies do not return to defend the territory the season after it is attacked'''
	The Marcher synod chose to pass the three mandates, asking [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_156\|Larkin Otterways]], [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_165\|Sister Meredith]] and [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_119\|Friar John of the Mourn]] to spread word of the oaths across the Marches. Everyone is aware that a solemn oath has been sworn that the army will return to defend the territory if it is ever attacked. General Amberlain has already sworn a similar oath that the Strong Reeds would defend Bregasland.		The Marcher synod chose to pass the three mandates, asking [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_156\|Larkin Otterways]], [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_165\|Sister Meredith]] and [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_119\|Friar John of the Mourn]] to spread word of the oaths across the Marches. Everyone is aware that a solemn oath has been sworn that the army will return to defend the territory if it is ever attacked. General Amberlain has already sworn a similar oath that the Strong Reeds would defend Bregasland.

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	'''Timing:''' Note that as with other mandates, these are ''only'' available during the Spring Equinox. After that the inspiration of General Amberlain and Larkin Otterways will have faded.		'''Timing:''' Note that as with other mandates, these are ''only'' available during the Spring Equinox. After that the inspiration of General Amberlain and Larkin Otterways will have faded.

			==Resolution==
			* '''The Marcher Synod passed mandates to confirm the important link between each one of their armies and the territory from where most of the soldieres are drawn'''
			* '''The four armies will enjoy a permanent benefit when fighting to defend the territory they are associcated with'''
			* '''The oath will be considered broken if the armies do not return to defend the territory the season after it is attacked'''

			The Marcher synod chose to pass the three mandates, asking [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_156\|Larkin Otterways]], [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_165\|Sister Meredith]] and [[386YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_119\|Friar John of the Mourn]] to spread word of the oaths across the Marches. Everyone is aware that a solemn oath has been sworn that the army will return to defend the territory if it is ever attacked. General Amberlain has already sworn a similar oath that the Strong Reeds would defend Bregasland.

			If that doesn't happen, if one of the Marcher territories is attacked, and the oath-sworn army doesn't immediately return to defend the land in the season that follows, then the oath will have been broken.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==