House of earth - Revision history

RichardRaynor at 12:56, 28 January 2022

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:381YE]][[Category:Recent History]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:381YE Winter]][[Category:Recent History]]
	<ic>Gwen stared at the board laid out before her, looking desperately for a way to save her jarl, but it was hopeless. There were warriors closing in on every side, he was as dead as a fallen tree.		<ic>Gwen stared at the board laid out before her, looking desperately for a way to save her jarl, but it was hopeless. There were warriors closing in on every side, he was as dead as a fallen tree.

Rafferty at 15:49, 1 November 2018

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:381YE]][[Category:Recent History~~]][[Category: Winter Solstice 381YE~~]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:381YE]][[Category:Recent History]]
	<ic>Gwen stared at the board laid out before her, looking desperately for a way to save her jarl, but it was hopeless. There were warriors closing in on every side, he was as dead as a fallen tree.		<ic>Gwen stared at the board laid out before her, looking desperately for a way to save her jarl, but it was hopeless. There were warriors closing in on every side, he was as dead as a fallen tree.

Rafferty: /* Overview */

2018-10-19T11:01:04Z

Overview

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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	Not all the [[Jotun]] have left the [[Mournwold]] - there remain significant numbers of [[Jotun]] thralls living throughout the Mourn, but especially in [[Mournwold#Green March\|Green March]], [[Mournwold#Southmoor\|Southmoor]], and [[Mournwold#~~Greensward~~\|~~Greensward~~]]. These people are very different from the people that the Empire have been fighting, in temperament at least, for they possess no effective weapons and seem to have little or no interest in fighting. Large numbers of them fled west marching with the Jotun armies as they retreated before the Empire's advance, but the majority remained behind. And now the question is what to be done with them.		Not all the [[Jotun]] have left the [[Mournwold]] - there remain significant numbers of [[Jotun]] thralls living throughout the Mourn, but especially in [[Mournwold#Green March\|Green March]], [[Mournwold#Southmoor\|Southmoor]], and [[Mournwold#Chalkdowns\|Chalkdowns]]. These people are very different from the people that the Empire have been fighting, in temperament at least, for they possess no effective weapons and seem to have little or no interest in fighting. Large numbers of them fled west marching with the Jotun armies as they retreated before the Empire's advance, but the majority remained behind. And now the question is what to be done with them.

	Since Summer, the Empire [[Distribute_food_to_the_thralls_of_Mournwold\|distributed 75 thrones each season to pay for supplies to feed the orcs]]. This aid was pivotal in ensuring that none of them faced starvation - but it also affected attitudes. While many were displaced by the advancing armies, the majority have now found the confidence to return to their farms and begun to work them once more. They are clearly cautious of the Empire but thus far the Empire's largess has convinced them to stay. If the situation stays as it is now then the thralls do not need any further help from the Empire to feed themselves.		Since Summer, the Empire [[Distribute_food_to_the_thralls_of_Mournwold\|distributed 75 thrones each season to pay for supplies to feed the orcs]]. This aid was pivotal in ensuring that none of them faced starvation - but it also affected attitudes. While many were displaced by the advancing armies, the majority have now found the confidence to return to their farms and begun to work them once more. They are clearly cautious of the Empire but thus far the Empire's largess has convinced them to stay. If the situation stays as it is now then the thralls do not need any further help from the Empire to feed themselves.

Rafferty: /* Resolution */

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Resolution

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	The Marcher assembly [[381YE_Winter_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Mandate\|passed a mandate]] to send Sister Meredith to bring the Jotun thralls to the Way.		The Marcher assembly [[381YE_Winter_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Mandate\|passed a mandate]] to send Sister Meredith to bring the Jotun thralls to the Way.

	During the Winter Solstice, the Imperial senate [[Declare_Mournwold_thralls_foreigners\|voted]] to recognise the thralls living in the Mournwold as foreigners.		During the Winter Solstice, the Imperial senate [[Declare_Mournwold_thralls_foreigners\|voted]] to recognise the thralls living in the Mournwold as foreigners. it is not legal to drive them from their farms with armies, nor to remove them from their residences.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn		* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn
	* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].		* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].

Rafferty: /* Resolution */

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Resolution

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	==Resolution==		==Resolution==
	The Marcher assembly [[381YE_Winter_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Mandate\|passed a mandate]] to send Sister Meredith to bring the Jotun thralls to the Way.		The Marcher assembly [[381YE_Winter_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Mandate\|passed a mandate]] to send Sister Meredith to bring the Jotun thralls to the Way.

			During the Winter Solstice, the Imperial senate [[Declare_Mournwold_thralls_foreigners\|voted]] to recognise the thralls living in the Mournwold as foreigners.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn		* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn
	* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].		* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].

Rafferty: /* Plain Truths */

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Plain Truths

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	However, many inhabitants of the Mourne will be very unhappy if the Empire drives the thralls out at sword-point. A lot of people in the Mourne - not all - but a lot - feel more affinity for the Jotun thralls than they do for the Empire at the moment. It's not a clear cut situation however - some Mournwolders who are now returning from exile would like to see the thralls gone - and a few of the more extreme Mournwolders that are holding grudges against everything Jotun, would like to see the thralls killed. But most of the Mournwold want to see a resolution from the Empire that treats their neighbours well having laboured together under Jotun rule for thirty years.		However, many inhabitants of the Mourne will be very unhappy if the Empire drives the thralls out at sword-point. A lot of people in the Mourne - not all - but a lot - feel more affinity for the Jotun thralls than they do for the Empire at the moment. It's not a clear cut situation however - some Mournwolders who are now returning from exile would like to see the thralls gone - and a few of the more extreme Mournwolders that are holding grudges against everything Jotun, would like to see the thralls killed. But most of the Mournwold want to see a resolution from the Empire that treats their neighbours well having laboured together under Jotun rule for thirty years.
			==Resolution==
			The Marcher assembly [[381YE_Winter_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Mandate\|passed a mandate]] to send Sister Meredith to bring the Jotun thralls to the Way.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn		* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn
	* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].		* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].

Rafferty: /* Plain Truths */

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Plain Truths

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	Once they are gone then the land would become available to the Marchers - and that would enable to the Marchers to raise an additional army, assuming that the mithril can be found and that the Imperial treasury will stand it.		Once they are gone then the land would become available to the Marchers - and that would enable to the Marchers to raise an additional army, assuming that the mithril can be found and that the Imperial treasury will stand it.

			However, many inhabitants of the Mourne will be very unhappy if the Empire drives the thralls out at sword-point. A lot of people in the Mourne - not all - but a lot - feel more affinity for the Jotun thralls than they do for the Empire at the moment. It's not a clear cut situation however - some Mournwolders who are now returning from exile would like to see the thralls gone - and a few of the more extreme Mournwolders that are holding grudges against everything Jotun, would like to see the thralls killed. But most of the Mournwold want to see a resolution from the Empire that treats their neighbours well having laboured together under Jotun rule for thirty years.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn		* [[This land is your land]] details the wider situation in the Mourn
	* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].		* [[Spoils of war]] for the Mournwold can be found [[Mournwold spoils of war\|here]].

Matt: /* A Question of Status */

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A Question of Status

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	The protection of Imperial law is a two-edged sword however. It would not be legal to displace them from the farms (and other resources) they have claimed and certainly not legal to send an army to drive them out of the Mournwold.		The protection of Imperial law is a two-edged sword however. It would not be legal to displace them from the farms (and other resources) they have claimed and certainly not legal to send an army to drive them out of the Mournwold.

			Encouraged by the generosity of the Empire in feeding them, the Jotun thralls have returned to the farms, mines and businesses they abandoned when the territory was over-run. Now that that has happened, provided they are allowed to remain where they are then they will be able to feed themselves and do not require any further help from the Empire. Obviously if the Empire chose to take a different approach and push the thralls off the land, then the question of their deprivation would become relevant again.
	<div style="width: 600px; float: right; clear:right;"><quote by="Hrodin, Marcher Assembly, Autumn Equinox 381YE, Upheld 62- 0">		<div style="width: 600px; float: right; clear:right;"><quote by="Hrodin, Marcher Assembly, Autumn Equinox 381YE, Upheld 62- 0">
	We invite Marcher and Imperial Orc preachers to the Mourn to talk to the free orcs of the Mourn (the former Jotun thralls) and preach to them about the Way. We encourage the Virtuous folks of the Mourn to support these preachers and ensure their voices are heard. In return, we invite stewards or other leaders of the free orcs of the Mourn to come to Anvil and make their concerns heard, so that the Empire will not decide for them, but with them.		We invite Marcher and Imperial Orc preachers to the Mourn to talk to the free orcs of the Mourn (the former Jotun thralls) and preach to them about the Way. We encourage the Virtuous folks of the Mourn to support these preachers and ensure their voices are heard. In return, we invite stewards or other leaders of the free orcs of the Mourn to come to Anvil and make their concerns heard, so that the Empire will not decide for them, but with them.

Matt: /* Overview */

2018-04-19T21:53:28Z

Overview

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	Not all the [[Jotun]] have left the [[Mournwold]] - there remain significant numbers of [[Jotun]] thralls living throughout the Mourn, but especially in [[Mournwold#Green March\|Green March]], [[Mournwold#Southmoor\|Southmoor]], and [[Mournwold#Greensward\|Greensward]]. These people are very different from the people that the Empire have been fighting, in temperament at least, for they possess no effective weapons and seem to have little or no interest in fighting. Large numbers of them fled west marching with the Jotun armies as they retreated before the Empire's advance, but the majority remained behind. And now the question is what to be done with them.		Not all the [[Jotun]] have left the [[Mournwold]] - there remain significant numbers of [[Jotun]] thralls living throughout the Mourn, but especially in [[Mournwold#Green March\|Green March]], [[Mournwold#Southmoor\|Southmoor]], and [[Mournwold#Greensward\|Greensward]]. These people are very different from the people that the Empire have been fighting, in temperament at least, for they possess no effective weapons and seem to have little or no interest in fighting. Large numbers of them fled west marching with the Jotun armies as they retreated before the Empire's advance, but the majority remained behind. And now the question is what to be done with them.

	Since Summer, the Empire [[Distribute_food_to_the_thralls_of_Mournwold\|distributed 75 thrones each season to pay for supplies to feed the orcs]]. This aid was ~~effective,~~ ensuring that none of them faced starvation but it also affected attitudes. While many were displaced by the advancing armies, the majority have now found the confidence to return to their farms and begun to work them once more. They are clearly cautious of the Empire but thus far the Empire's largess has convinced them to stay.		Since Summer, the Empire [[Distribute_food_to_the_thralls_of_Mournwold\|distributed 75 thrones each season to pay for supplies to feed the orcs]]. This aid was pivotal in ensuring that none of them faced starvation - but it also affected attitudes. While many were displaced by the advancing armies, the majority have now found the confidence to return to their farms and begun to work them once more. They are clearly cautious of the Empire but thus far the Empire's largess has convinced them to stay. If the situation stays as it is now then the thralls do not need any further help from the Empire to feed themselves.

	Which raises the difficult question of what to do with them. It is well known that some of the Marchers in the Mourn are trading with the thralls. At present the magistrates are largely turning a blind eye, pending further guidance from the Senate. Technically they are still barbarians - technically they are still Jotun. Presumably something will have to be done, not least because somewhat inconveniently they are currently occupying some of the most important farmland in the Mourn.		Which raises the difficult question of what to do with them. It is well known that some of the Marchers in the Mourn are trading with the thralls. At present the magistrates are largely turning a blind eye, pending further guidance from the Senate. Technically they are still barbarians - technically they are still Jotun. Presumably something will have to be done, not least because somewhat inconveniently they are currently occupying some of the most important farmland in the Mourn.

Matt: /* Overview */

2018-04-19T21:51:58Z

Overview

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	Not all the [[Jotun]] have left the [[Mournwold]] - there remain significant numbers of [[Jotun]] thralls living throughout the Mourn, but especially in [[Mournwold#Green March\|Green March]], [[Mournwold#Southmoor\|Southmoor]], and [[Mournwold#Greensward\|Greensward]]. These people are very different from the people that the Empire have been fighting, in temperament at least, for they possess no effective weapons and seem to have little or no interest in fighting. Large numbers of them fled west marching with the Jotun armies as they retreated before the Empire's advance, but the majority remained behind. And now the question is what to be done with them.		Not all the [[Jotun]] have left the [[Mournwold]] - there remain significant numbers of [[Jotun]] thralls living throughout the Mourn, but especially in [[Mournwold#Green March\|Green March]], [[Mournwold#Southmoor\|Southmoor]], and [[Mournwold#Greensward\|Greensward]]. These people are very different from the people that the Empire have been fighting, in temperament at least, for they possess no effective weapons and seem to have little or no interest in fighting. Large numbers of them fled west marching with the Jotun armies as they retreated before the Empire's advance, but the majority remained behind. And now the question is what to be done with them.

	~~Two seasons ago~~, the Empire [[Distribute_food_to_the_thralls_of_Mournwold\|distributed 75 thrones to pay for supplies to feed the orcs]]. ~~They have had little help since then~~, but ~~is increasingly clear that they may not need additional help~~. While many were displaced by the advancing armies, the majority have now ~~returned~~ to their farms and begun to work them once more. They are clearly cautious of the Empire but ~~they appear intent on staying~~.		Since Summer, the Empire [[Distribute_food_to_the_thralls_of_Mournwold\|distributed 75 thrones each season to pay for supplies to feed the orcs]]. This aid was effective, ensuring that none of them faced starvation but it also affected attitudes. While many were displaced by the advancing armies, the majority have now found the confidence to return to their farms and begun to work them once more. They are clearly cautious of the Empire but thus far the Empire's largess has convinced them to stay.

	Which raises the difficult question of what to do with them. It is well known that some of the Marchers in the Mourn are trading with the thralls. At present the magistrates are largely turning a blind eye, pending further guidance from the Senate. Technically they are still barbarians - technically they are still Jotun. Presumably something will have to be done, not least because somewhat inconveniently they are currently occupying some of the most important farmland in the Mourn.		Which raises the difficult question of what to do with them. It is well known that some of the Marchers in the Mourn are trading with the thralls. At present the magistrates are largely turning a blind eye, pending further guidance from the Senate. Technically they are still barbarians - technically they are still Jotun. Presumably something will have to be done, not least because somewhat inconveniently they are currently occupying some of the most important farmland in the Mourn.

	==A Question of Status==		==A Question of Status==
	The first question seems simplest to answer but has potentially complex consequences. The Imperial Senate can [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Declaration_of_Peace\|declare peace]] with the thralls in the Mournwold, [[Declare_peace_with_Orcs_of_the_Great_Forest_of_Peytaht\|just as they did]] with the orcs of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht\|Great Forest]] in 380YE. This would immediately resolve the question of their status - they would be treated as foreigners rather than barbarians. It would be legal to trade with them and they would receive the protection of Imperial law.		The first question seems simplest to answer but has potentially complex consequences. The Imperial Senate can [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Declaration_of_Peace\|declare peace]] with the thralls in the Mournwold, [[Declare_peace_with_Orcs_of_the_Great_Forest_of_Peytaht\|just as they did]] with the orcs of the [[Great Forest of Peytaht\|Great Forest]] in 380YE. This would immediately resolve the question of their status - they would be treated as foreigners rather than barbarians. It would be legal to trade with them and they would receive the protection of Imperial law.