Honey off a thorn - Revision history

Hailmur at 12:21, 11 April 2024

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	Not all of these orcs have been accepted into the nation. The egregores of every nation make decisions about who is eligible to join - the Imperial Orc egregore is no less discerning than any other in that regard. Suggesting that every orc should join the Imperial Orcs simply because they're an orc is an easy way to start a fight in a Skarsind tavern. Nobody would dream of suggesting that every human citizen join [[the League]] simply because they're human, but visitors to Skarsind rarely stop to consider that until it's pointed out to them - sometimes with a fist or two.		Not all of these orcs have been accepted into the nation. The egregores of every nation make decisions about who is eligible to join - the Imperial Orc egregore is no less discerning than any other in that regard. Suggesting that every orc should join the Imperial Orcs simply because they're an orc is an easy way to start a fight in a Skarsind tavern. Nobody would dream of suggesting that every human citizen join [[the League]] simply because they're human, but visitors to Skarsind rarely stop to consider that until it's pointed out to them - sometimes with a fist or two.

	The nature of the egregore magic is not just to accept those who perfectly embody the spirit of the nation, but also those they see have the ''potential'' to do so. But in recent times people joining the nation have faced resistance from other Imperial Orcs even after they have been accepted by the egregore. Former members of the ~~[[Imperial_Orcs_lineage_and_species_attitudes#Unusual_origins_in_play\|~~Hierro]] and the [[Liberated]], the former Jarmish slaves who were emancipated in Sarvos, have all struggled to find acceptance. The [[Foreman of the Mines of Gulhule]] specifically refuses to allow any Orc citizens to work in the mines of Skarsind, despite requests from the Liberated and other groups. When representatives of the [[Jotun]] thralls came face to face with members of the Imperial Orcs, it was clear neither side saw any affinity in the other.		The nature of the egregore magic is not just to accept those who perfectly embody the spirit of the nation, but also those they see have the ''potential'' to do so. But in recent times people joining the nation have faced resistance from other Imperial Orcs even after they have been accepted by the egregore. Former members of the Hierro and the Liberated, the former Jarmish slaves who were emancipated in Sarvos, have all struggled to find acceptance. The [[Foreman of the Mines of Gulhule]] specifically refuses to allow any Orc citizens to work in the mines of Skarsind, despite requests from the Liberated and other groups. When representatives of the [[Jotun]] thralls came face to face with members of the Imperial Orcs, it was clear neither side saw any affinity in the other.

	==Consensus==		==Consensus==

RichardRaynor at 16:21, 22 January 2022

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	<ic>Yantl and Kejek were laughing about something that had happened at the training square earlier in the day. The boys were kicking each other under the table, laughing conspiratorially. They'd finished their meals quickly with the enthusiasm of youth, and wanted to be outside again in the last of the sun playing one of their obscure made-up games. They were rambunctious, but well behaved enough to wait to be dismissed.		<ic>Yantl and Kejek were laughing about something that had happened at the training square earlier in the day. The boys were kicking each other under the table, laughing conspiratorially. They'd finished their meals quickly with the enthusiasm of youth, and wanted to be outside again in the last of the sun playing one of their obscure made-up games. They were rambunctious, but well behaved enough to wait to be dismissed.

Rafferty at 16:02, 1 November 2018

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:382YE]][[Category:Recent History~~]][[Category: Summer Solstice 382YE~~]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:382YE]][[Category:Recent History]]
	<ic>Yantl and Kejek were laughing about something that had happened at the training square earlier in the day. The boys were kicking each other under the table, laughing conspiratorially. They'd finished their meals quickly with the enthusiasm of youth, and wanted to be outside again in the last of the sun playing one of their obscure made-up games. They were rambunctious, but well behaved enough to wait to be dismissed.		<ic>Yantl and Kejek were laughing about something that had happened at the training square earlier in the day. The boys were kicking each other under the table, laughing conspiratorially. They'd finished their meals quickly with the enthusiasm of youth, and wanted to be outside again in the last of the sun playing one of their obscure made-up games. They were rambunctious, but well behaved enough to wait to be dismissed.

Matt: /* Land */

2018-08-03T22:21:26Z

Land

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	Not all of these orcs have been accepted into the nation. The egregores of every nation make decisions about who is eligible to join - the Imperial Orc egregore is no less discerning than any other in that regard. Suggesting that every orc should join the Imperial Orcs simply because they're an orc is an easy way to start a fight in a Skarsind tavern. Nobody would dream of suggesting that every human citizen join [[the League]] simply because they're human, but visitors to Skarsind rarely stop to consider that until it's pointed out to them - sometimes with a fist or two.		Not all of these orcs have been accepted into the nation. The egregores of every nation make decisions about who is eligible to join - the Imperial Orc egregore is no less discerning than any other in that regard. Suggesting that every orc should join the Imperial Orcs simply because they're an orc is an easy way to start a fight in a Skarsind tavern. Nobody would dream of suggesting that every human citizen join [[the League]] simply because they're human, but visitors to Skarsind rarely stop to consider that until it's pointed out to them - sometimes with a fist or two.

	The nature of the egregore magic is not just to accept those who perfectly embody the spirit of the nation, but also those they see have the ''potential'' to do so. But in recent times people joining the nation have faced resistance from other Imperial Orcs even after they have been accepted by the egregore. Former members of the [[Imperial_Orcs_lineage_and_species_attitudes#Unusual_origins_in_play\|Hierro]] and the [[Liberated]], the former Jarmish slaves who were emancipated in Sarvos, have all struggled to find acceptance. The [[Foreman of the Mines of Gulhule]] specifically refuses to allow ~~Liberated~~ citizens to work in the mines of Skarsind, ~~for example~~. When representatives of the [[Jotun]] thralls came face to face with members of the Imperial Orcs, it was clear neither side saw any affinity in the other.		The nature of the egregore magic is not just to accept those who perfectly embody the spirit of the nation, but also those they see have the ''potential'' to do so. But in recent times people joining the nation have faced resistance from other Imperial Orcs even after they have been accepted by the egregore. Former members of the [[Imperial_Orcs_lineage_and_species_attitudes#Unusual_origins_in_play\|Hierro]] and the [[Liberated]], the former Jarmish slaves who were emancipated in Sarvos, have all struggled to find acceptance. The [[Foreman of the Mines of Gulhule]] specifically refuses to allow any Orc citizens to work in the mines of Skarsind, despite requests from the Liberated and other groups. When representatives of the [[Jotun]] thralls came face to face with members of the Imperial Orcs, it was clear neither side saw any affinity in the other.

	==Consensus==		==Consensus==

Rafferty: /* Building a Nation */

2018-07-24T20:05:00Z

Building a Nation

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	The mandate would not simply allow everyone to join the Imperial Orcs. Those who sought to join the nation would still need to be loyal to the core, proud of their place as citizens of the Empire and determined to support it and their nation. They would need to understand that life is precious and that all orcs have just one chance to make their mark. But the egregore would bond any orc who sought to serve the nation loyally if they believed demonstrated all these qualities.		The mandate would not simply allow everyone to join the Imperial Orcs. Those who sought to join the nation would still need to be loyal to the core, proud of their place as citizens of the Empire and determined to support it and their nation. They would need to understand that life is precious and that all orcs have just one chance to make their mark. But the egregore would bond any orc who sought to serve the nation loyally if they believed demonstrated all these qualities.

			An [[Mandate#Alternative Mandates\|alternative mandate]] was suggested by Irontide Lok.

			<quote by="Synod Mandate, Imperial orcs, Irontide Lok">The Legions are the Heart and Soul of the Imperial Orc nation. They fight for the Empire and to crush its enemies. All Orcs must serve either in or to support the Legions. We send (''named priest'') with 25 doses of Liao to urge everyone to welcome any orc who is willing to serve our Legions, our nation and the Empire unstintingly.</quote>

			The civil service suggest that this is broadly similar to the previous mandate but with a key difference: it defines the Imperial Orc nation as fundamentally martial in character, rather than as the heirs of Thrace. While it encourages a broader definition of who is fit to call themselves an Imperial Orc, it also reinforces the idea that the legions are at the heart of the nation. One likely outcome of this would be for the [[Imperial_Orcs_leadership#Leading_a_territory\|method of appointing]] a [[senator]] to shift away from the current model toward a model where only those with a commitment to the martial heritage of the Imperial Orcs would be trusted to participate in the elections - most likely meaning those who lead a [[military unit]].

	===Life is Precious===		===Life is Precious===

Rafferty: /* War is in our Soul */

2018-07-24T20:04:49Z

War is in our Soul

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	Some of those who have already joined - such as the Liberated and possibly some of the Hierro would leave if this mandate were passed and in future the egregore would be unable to bond orcs to the nation unless they were absolutely committed to the lifestyle of the soldier, either as a member or the legions or in support of them.		Some of those who have already joined - such as the Liberated and possibly some of the Hierro would leave if this mandate were passed and in future the egregore would be unable to bond orcs to the nation unless they were absolutely committed to the lifestyle of the soldier, either as a member or the legions or in support of them.

	~~An [[Mandate#Alternative Mandates\|alternative mandate]] was suggested by Irontide Lok.~~

	<quote by="Synod Mandate, Imperial orcs, Irontide Lok">The Legions are the Heart and Soul of the Imperial Orc nation. They fight for the Empire and to crush its enemies. All Orcs must serve either in or to support the Legions. We send (''named priest'') with 25 doses of Liao to urge everyone to welcome any orc who is willing to serve our Legions, our nation and the Empire unstintingly.</quote>

	The civil service suggest that this is broadly similar to the previous mandate but with a key difference: it defines the Imperial Orc nation as fundamentally martial in character, rather than as the heirs of Thrace. While it encourages a broader definition of who is fit to call themselves an Imperial Orc, it also reinforces the idea that the legions are at the heart of the nation. One likely outcome of this would be for the [[Imperial_Orcs_leadership#Leading_a_territory\|method of appointing]] a [[senator]] to shift away from the current model toward a model where only those with a commitment to the martial heritage of the Imperial Orcs would be trusted to participate in the elections - most likely meaning those who lead a [[military unit]].

	===Building a Nation===		===Building a Nation===

Rafferty: /* War is in our Soul */

2018-07-24T16:13:07Z

War is in our Soul

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	<quote by="Synod Mandate, Imperial orcs, Irontide Lok">The Legions are the Heart and Soul of the Imperial Orc nation. They fight for the Empire and to crush its enemies. All Orcs must serve either in or to support the Legions. We send (''named priest'') with 25 doses of Liao to urge everyone to welcome any orc who is willing to serve our Legions, our nation and the Empire unstintingly.</quote>		<quote by="Synod Mandate, Imperial orcs, Irontide Lok">The Legions are the Heart and Soul of the Imperial Orc nation. They fight for the Empire and to crush its enemies. All Orcs must serve either in or to support the Legions. We send (''named priest'') with 25 doses of Liao to urge everyone to welcome any orc who is willing to serve our Legions, our nation and the Empire unstintingly.</quote>

	The civil service suggest that this is broadly similar to the previous mandate but with a key difference: it defines the Imperial Orc nation as fundamentally martial in character, rather than as the heirs of Thrace. While it encourages a broader definition of who is fit to call themselves an Imperial Orc, it also reinforces the idea that the legions are at the heart of the nation. One likely outcome of this would be for the method of appointing a senator to shift away from the current model toward a model where only those with a commitment to the martial heritage of the Imperial Orcs would be trusted to participate in the elections - most likely meaning those who lead a military unit.		The civil service suggest that this is broadly similar to the previous mandate but with a key difference: it defines the Imperial Orc nation as fundamentally martial in character, rather than as the heirs of Thrace. While it encourages a broader definition of who is fit to call themselves an Imperial Orc, it also reinforces the idea that the legions are at the heart of the nation. One likely outcome of this would be for the [[Imperial_Orcs_leadership#Leading_a_territory\|method of appointing]] a [[senator]] to shift away from the current model toward a model where only those with a commitment to the martial heritage of the Imperial Orcs would be trusted to participate in the elections - most likely meaning those who lead a [[military unit]].

	===Building a Nation===		===Building a Nation===

Rafferty: /* War is in our Soul */

2018-07-24T16:12:05Z

War is in our Soul

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	Some of those who have already joined - such as the Liberated and possibly some of the Hierro would leave if this mandate were passed and in future the egregore would be unable to bond orcs to the nation unless they were absolutely committed to the lifestyle of the soldier, either as a member or the legions or in support of them.		Some of those who have already joined - such as the Liberated and possibly some of the Hierro would leave if this mandate were passed and in future the egregore would be unable to bond orcs to the nation unless they were absolutely committed to the lifestyle of the soldier, either as a member or the legions or in support of them.

			An [[Mandate#Alternative Mandates\|alternative mandate]] was suggested by Irontide Lok.

			<quote by="Synod Mandate, Imperial orcs, Irontide Lok">The Legions are the Heart and Soul of the Imperial Orc nation. They fight for the Empire and to crush its enemies. All Orcs must serve either in or to support the Legions. We send (''named priest'') with 25 doses of Liao to urge everyone to welcome any orc who is willing to serve our Legions, our nation and the Empire unstintingly.</quote>

			The civil service suggest that this is broadly similar to the previous mandate but with a key difference: it defines the Imperial Orc nation as fundamentally martial in character, rather than as the heirs of Thrace. While it encourages a broader definition of who is fit to call themselves an Imperial Orc, it also reinforces the idea that the legions are at the heart of the nation. One likely outcome of this would be for the method of appointing a senator to shift away from the current model toward a model where only those with a commitment to the martial heritage of the Imperial Orcs would be trusted to participate in the elections - most likely meaning those who lead a military unit.

	===Building a Nation===		===Building a Nation===

Rafferty at 15:10, 21 July 2018

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:382YE]][[Category:Recent History]][[Category: ~~Spring Equinox~~ 382YE]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:382YE]][[Category:Recent History]][[Category: Summer Solstice 382YE]]
	<ic>Yantl and Kejek were laughing about something that had happened at the training square earlier in the day. The boys were kicking each other under the table, laughing conspiratorially. They'd finished their meals quickly with the enthusiasm of youth, and wanted to be outside again in the last of the sun playing one of their obscure made-up games. They were rambunctious, but well behaved enough to wait to be dismissed.		<ic>Yantl and Kejek were laughing about something that had happened at the training square earlier in the day. The boys were kicking each other under the table, laughing conspiratorially. They'd finished their meals quickly with the enthusiasm of youth, and wanted to be outside again in the last of the sun playing one of their obscure made-up games. They were rambunctious, but well behaved enough to wait to be dismissed.

Rafferty at 10:11, 21 July 2018

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	"I'm thinking of leaving the Legion."		"I'm thinking of leaving the Legion."

	Silence. ~~The~~ Yantl and Kejek stared at him. The silence became awkward. The boys paid no attention to the adults discomfort. Roj poked Darrin in the ribs and the two fell to giggling.		Silence. Yantl and Kejek stared at him. The silence became awkward. The boys paid no attention to the adults discomfort. Roj poked Darrin in the ribs and the two fell to giggling.

	"Right you two horrible little beasts," growled Yantl, standing up. He scooped a boys up easily under each arm. They mock-struggled, as he carried them across the kitchen to the back door.		"Right you two horrible little beasts," growled Yantl, standing up. He scooped a boys up easily under each arm. They mock-struggled, as he carried them across the kitchen to the back door.