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	[[Interdiction]] is the power of the [[Conclave]] to censor specific rituals, items, or materials that represent a significant magical danger to the Empire. It has always been a crude tool, but in theory it is does forbid the casting of a ritual anywhere in the Empire - provided that people take notice of what the Conclave has said and observe the prohibition.		[[Interdiction]] is the power of the [[Conclave]] to censor specific rituals, items, or materials that represent a significant magical danger to the Empire. It has always been a crude tool, but in theory it is does forbid the casting of a ritual anywhere in the Empire - provided that people take notice of what the Conclave has said and observe the prohibition.

	Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[~~Vallorn~~]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from ~~Vallorn~~ areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.		Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.

	Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the Winter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternal\|eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.		Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the Winter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternal\|eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.

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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	[[Interdiction]] is the power of the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave]] to censor specific rituals, items, or materials that represent a significant magical danger to the Empire. It has always been a crude tool, but in theory it is does forbid the casting of a ritual anywhere in the Empire - provided that people take notice of what the Conclave has said and observe the prohibition.		[[Interdiction]] is the power of the [[Conclave]] to censor specific rituals, items, or materials that represent a significant magical danger to the Empire. It has always been a crude tool, but in theory it is does forbid the casting of a ritual anywhere in the Empire - provided that people take notice of what the Conclave has said and observe the prohibition.

	Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.		Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.

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	==Proposal==		==Proposal==
	Normally such complaints would soon pass - but ''Camila i Erigo'', an ageing Freeborn magician from the hills of [[Kahraman]] has used the recent incident to try to gather support for a proposal to change the law governing interdiction. Her proposal is for the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] to create a new declaration - a ''Declaration of Endorsement'' - that would grant approval by the Conclave for a magician to perform an interdicted ritual or to use an interdicted item. Had the Conclave had such a power last summit, then the potent curse could have been kept interdicted but the Voice of the Quiet Forest could have had a single casting of the ritual endorsed.		Normally such complaints would soon pass - but ''Camila i Erigo'', an ageing Freeborn magician from the hills of [[Kahraman]] has used the recent incident to try to gather support for a proposal to change the law governing interdiction. Her proposal is for the [[Senate]] to create a new declaration - a ''Declaration of Endorsement'' - that would grant approval by the Conclave for a magician to perform an interdicted ritual or to use an interdicted item. Had the Conclave had such a power last summit, then the potent curse could have been kept interdicted but the Voice of the Quiet Forest could have had a single casting of the ritual endorsed.

	Critics of Camila's idea argue that her proposal achieves nothing other than to formalise what has already happened, but for Camila that is the whole point. At present the common view of interdiction is that the Conclave specify that the ritual can never be used safely. It is their own action - unlawful action - in instructing magicians to counter their own declarations that weakens their moral authority and undermines confidence in the authority of magistrates and the law at the same time. Her view is that the magistrates will find it easier to uphold the decisions of the Conclave once a clear mechanism exists for them to provide legal endorsement of a ritual. She claims that if her proposals were adopted, magicians who continue to flout the Conclave will risk much more serious punishment then they received in this most recent case.		Critics of Camila's idea argue that her proposal achieves nothing other than to formalise what has already happened, but for Camila that is the whole point. At present the common view of interdiction is that the Conclave specify that the ritual can never be used safely. It is their own action - unlawful action - in instructing magicians to counter their own declarations that weakens their moral authority and undermines confidence in the authority of magistrates and the law at the same time. Her view is that the magistrates will find it easier to uphold the decisions of the Conclave once a clear mechanism exists for them to provide legal endorsement of a ritual. She claims that if her proposals were adopted, magicians who continue to flout the Conclave will risk much more serious punishment then they received in this most recent case.

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	They advise that if any [[senator]] does wish to take up the matter, then they must consider a number of key points. Would the Declaration of Endorsement require a named target for the interdicted ritual? Would it require the ritual to be performed at a set time? Will a single named coven or magician be endorsed or can anyone benefit from the endorsement? How would this new declaration interact with rituals that are proscribed because they draw power from, or involve communion with, an [[eternal]] under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]]?		They advise that if any [[senator]] does wish to take up the matter, then they must consider a number of key points. Would the Declaration of Endorsement require a named target for the interdicted ritual? Would it require the ritual to be performed at a set time? Will a single named coven or magician be endorsed or can anyone benefit from the endorsement? How would this new declaration interact with rituals that are proscribed because they draw power from, or involve communion with, an [[eternal]] under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]]?

	There are a lot of details which are not covered by Camila's rather general proposal that would ideally be defined so ~~that~~ that magistrates and civil servants could interpret the Senate's will correctly.		There are a lot of details which are not covered by Camila's rather general proposal that would ideally be defined so that magistrates and civil servants could interpret the Senate's will correctly.

	They are clear that the constitutional court would '''not''' permit a law which simply endorsed one or more individuals to perform interdicted rituals at will. For example it would not be constitutional to interdict Rivers of Gold - and then endorse a single coven in the League to perform the ritual. That would fall foul of the Constitution's goal to provide freedom and prosperity to Imperial citizens.		They are clear that the constitutional court would '''not''' permit a law which simply endorsed one or more individuals to perform interdicted rituals at will. For example it would not be constitutional to interdict Rivers of Gold - and then endorse a single coven in the League to perform the ritual. That would fall foul of the Constitution's goal to provide freedom and prosperity to Imperial citizens.

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	Krasimir gripped his staff firmly keeping it between him and the creature as he pushed the wide brim of his hat back. The twisted upyr grinned at him, revealing a mouth filled with pointed teeth. It was a short, ugly creature, and not particularly dangerous... provided he didn't take his eyes off it.		Krasimir gripped his staff firmly keeping it between him and the creature as he pushed the wide brim of his hat back. The twisted upyr grinned at him, revealing a mouth filled with pointed teeth. It was a short, ugly creature, and not particularly dangerous... provided he didn't take his eyes off it.

Dre at 13:39, 13 November 2018

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	Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.		Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.

	Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the Winter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.		Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the Winter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternal\|eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.

	This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.		This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.
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	Camila has written to the [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] to request [[scrutiny]] of her proposal. Their response makes clear that they cannot give a definite answer unless they have a clearly worded [[Senate motion]] to consider. However in principle they see no reason why it would be unconstitutional to change the law in such a way provided it were done as part of a well written motion.		Camila has written to the [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] to request [[scrutiny]] of her proposal. Their response makes clear that they cannot give a definite answer unless they have a clearly worded [[Senate motion]] to consider. However in principle they see no reason why it would be unconstitutional to change the law in such a way provided it were done as part of a well written motion.

	They advise that if any [[senator]] does wish to take up the matter, then they must consider a number of key points. Would the Declaration of Endorsement require a named target for the interdicted ritual? Would it require the ritual to be performed at a set time? Will a single named coven or magician be endorsed or can anyone benefit from the endorsement? How would this new declaration interact with rituals that are proscribed because they draw power from, or involve communion with, an [[~~eternals\|~~eternal]] under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]]?		They advise that if any [[senator]] does wish to take up the matter, then they must consider a number of key points. Would the Declaration of Endorsement require a named target for the interdicted ritual? Would it require the ritual to be performed at a set time? Will a single named coven or magician be endorsed or can anyone benefit from the endorsement? How would this new declaration interact with rituals that are proscribed because they draw power from, or involve communion with, an [[eternal]] under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]]?

	There are a lot of details which are not covered by Camila's rather general proposal that would ideally be defined so that that magistrates and civil servants could interpret the Senate's will correctly.		There are a lot of details which are not covered by Camila's rather general proposal that would ideally be defined so that that magistrates and civil servants could interpret the Senate's will correctly.

	They are clear that the constitutional court would '''not''' permit a law which simply endorsed one or more individuals to perform interdicted rituals at will. For example it would not be constitutional to interdict Rivers of Gold - and then endorse a single coven in the League to perform the ritual. That would fall foul of the Constitution's goal to provide freedom and prosperity to Imperial citizens.		They are clear that the constitutional court would '''not''' permit a law which simply endorsed one or more individuals to perform interdicted rituals at will. For example it would not be constitutional to interdict Rivers of Gold - and then endorse a single coven in the League to perform the ritual. That would fall foul of the Constitution's goal to provide freedom and prosperity to Imperial citizens.

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	Krasimir gripped his staff firmly keeping it between him and the creature as he pushed the wide brim of his hat back. The twisted upyr grinned at him, revealing a mouth filled with pointed teeth. It was a short, ugly creature, and not particularly dangerous... provided he didn't take his eyes off it.		Krasimir gripped his staff firmly keeping it between him and the creature as he pushed the wide brim of his hat back. The twisted upyr grinned at him, revealing a mouth filled with pointed teeth. It was a short, ugly creature, and not particularly dangerous... provided he didn't take his eyes off it.

Dre at 16:17, 18 July 2018

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	Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.		Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.

	Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the ~~WInter~~ of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.		Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the Winter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.

	This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.		This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.

Cheer Police: /* Overview */

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	Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.		Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.

	Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the WInter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel ~~Vexille~~ to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.		Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the WInter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.

	This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.		This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.

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	Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.		Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.

	Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the ~~WInter~~ of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.		Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the Winter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.

	This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.		This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.

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	Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.		Sadly, in recent years, interdictions have been more notable for the number of times they were ignored rather than the times anyone observed them. Shortly after the death of [[Empress Britta\|Britta]] the Conclave voted to interdict the harvesting or use of [[Vallorn]] seeds. Perhaps it was the failure of the Conclave to be specific about what such seeds looked like but in the years that followed a number of Imperial magicians - and even [[Strange_harvest#Opportunity\|mundane farmers]] - harvested and used seeds from Vallorn areas infused with Spring magic, and did so utterly without consequence.

	Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the WInter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel ~~Vexille~~ to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.		Nor is this the only example of mixed messages. In the WInter of 380YE, no less a figure than the [[grandmaster]] of the [[Celestial Arch]] '''Catalina''' raised a declaration to encourage then [[sorcery\|sorcerer]] Ancel Watcher to collaborate with the [[Whisper Gallery]] under the auspices of the [[archmage]] of Night - despite all the [[Amend_Crime_of_Sorcery_II\|prohibitions]] against sorcerers interacting with any [[eternals]] at all, never mind a group currently under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave. "''The Conclave understands that this is neither treason nor sorcery,''" the declaration said... despite the act being seen by many magicians as ''clearly'' both treason and sorcery.

	This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.		This gradual erosion of the Conclave's authority turned into a rout at the recent Spring Equinox. There was a [[Before_the_sunrise#The_Waters_of_Therunin\|perceived need]] to perform the interdicted ritual [[Rivers Run Red]], so a request was made to [[Interdiction#Declaration_of_Reconciliation\|reconcile]] the ritual at the Friday [[Conclave session]]. The request was rejected - the Conclave clearly decided to keep the interdiction in place, and instead to take a different approach. At the following session - on the Saturday the Conclave passed two highly significant declarations.

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	Krasimir gripped his staff firmly keeping it between him and the creature as he pushed the wide brim of his hat back, The twisted upyr grinned at him, revealing a mouth filled with pointed teeth. It was a short ugly creature, and not particularly dangerous... provided he didn't take his eyes off it.		Krasimir gripped his staff firmly keeping it between him and the creature as he pushed the wide brim of his hat back. The twisted upyr grinned at him, revealing a mouth filled with pointed teeth. It was a short, ugly creature, and not particularly dangerous... provided he didn't take his eyes off it.

	"Begone from here creature - or I will shatter the bones in your feeble body". In legends Volhov usually tricked or defeated a rusalka or a sovereign though a mix of cunning and clever magic. The reality for a working volhov travelling the roads was that most of the work he took on involved malicious boggarts - where one or two stout blows to the head with an iron-shod cudgel was the quickest and safest answer. This upyr was a lot more dangerous than a boggart but he was confident all the same. As the wise one used to say - ''"there's nothing in this world that isn't hurt by a stout cudgel blow to the head"''.		"Begone from here creature - or I will shatter the bones in your feeble body". In legends Volhov usually tricked or defeated a rusalka or a sovereign though a mix of cunning and clever magic. The reality for a working volhov travelling the roads was that most of the work he took on involved malicious boggarts - where one or two stout blows to the head with an iron-shod cudgel was the quickest and safest answer. This upyr was a lot more dangerous than a boggart but he was confident all the same. As the wise one used to say - ''"there's nothing in this world that isn't hurt by a stout cudgel blow to the head"''.
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	Clearly there was more going on here than meets the eye. It ought not be possible for a servant of the Whisperer to be abroad in Livardz like this. Somebody must have called this creature into the world. "I have no business with your master. Now tell me who called you here - it is forbidden to deal with your kind." He tried to make it sound like an order, hoping that the hearth magic of a commanding voice might compel the spirit.		Clearly there was more going on here than meets the eye. It ought not be possible for a servant of the Whisperer to be abroad in Livardz like this. Somebody must have called this creature into the world. "I have no business with your master. Now tell me who called you here - it is forbidden to deal with your kind." He tried to make it sound like an order, hoping that the hearth magic of a commanding voice might compel the spirit.

	The upyr only grinned again ~~it's~~ voice dropping to a low rasp so that he had to focus to make out the words "Surely a mighty magician such as yourself, so powerful and wise, is not chained by such laws? Who gave them the power to tell you what to do? How can the weak have dominion over the strong?" The creature's long clawed fingers spread out in a gesture that perhaps it thought was inviting and friendly. "If you are bold enough to put aside such feeble restrictions then my master has a proposal for you - something that could be greatly to your advantage..."		The upyr only grinned again, its voice dropping to a low rasp so that he had to focus to make out the words. "Surely a mighty magician such as yourself, so powerful and wise, is not chained by such laws? Who gave them the power to tell you what to do? How can the weak have dominion over the strong?" The creature's long clawed fingers spread out in a gesture that perhaps it thought was inviting and friendly. "If you are bold enough to put aside such feeble restrictions then my master has a proposal for you - something that could be greatly to your advantage..."
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	==Proposal==		==Proposal==
	Normally such complaints would soon pass - but [[Camila i Erigo]], an ageing Freeborn magician from the hills of [[Kahraman]] has used the recent incident to try to gather support for a proposal to change the law governing interdiction. Her proposal is for the [[Imperial Senate]] to create a new declaration - a ''Declaration of Endorsement'' - that would grant approval by the Conclave for a magician to perform an interdicted ritual or to use an interdicted item. Had the Conclave had such a power last summit, then the potent curse could have been kept interdicted but the Voice of the Quiet Forest could have had a single casting of the ritual endorsed.		Normally such complaints would soon pass - but ''Camila i Erigo'', an ageing Freeborn magician from the hills of [[Kahraman]] has used the recent incident to try to gather support for a proposal to change the law governing interdiction. Her proposal is for the [[Imperial Senate]] to create a new declaration - a ''Declaration of Endorsement'' - that would grant approval by the Conclave for a magician to perform an interdicted ritual or to use an interdicted item. Had the Conclave had such a power last summit, then the potent curse could have been kept interdicted but the Voice of the Quiet Forest could have had a single casting of the ritual endorsed.

	Critics of Camila's idea argue that her proposal achieves nothing other than to formalise what has already happened, but for ~~Camilia~~ that is the whole point. At present the common view of interdiction is that the Conclave specify that the ritual can never be used safely. It is their own action - unlawful action - in instructing magicians to counter their own declarations that weakens their moral authority and undermines confidence in the authority of magistrates and the law at the same time. Her view is that the magistrates will find it easier to uphold the decisions of the Conclave once a clear mechanism exists for them to provide legal endorsement of a ritual. She claims that if her proposals were adopted, magicians who continue to flout the Conclave will risk much more serious punishment then they received in this most recent case.		Critics of Camila's idea argue that her proposal achieves nothing other than to formalise what has already happened, but for Camila that is the whole point. At present the common view of interdiction is that the Conclave specify that the ritual can never be used safely. It is their own action - unlawful action - in instructing magicians to counter their own declarations that weakens their moral authority and undermines confidence in the authority of magistrates and the law at the same time. Her view is that the magistrates will find it easier to uphold the decisions of the Conclave once a clear mechanism exists for them to provide legal endorsement of a ritual. She claims that if her proposals were adopted, magicians who continue to flout the Conclave will risk much more serious punishment then they received in this most recent case.

	Camila claims that if the law were adopted then the view of interdiction would change. Rather than being seen as placing a ritual beyond the pale such that it cannot be cast - instead it would be seen as simply dangerous and thus requiring the approval of the Conclave. When the Conclave endorsed the use of an interdicted ritual that would bolster their authority rather than undermine it - since it would be clear that they had judiciously considered the matter and given their approval. In Camila's eyes this would better reflect the spirit of the Imperial Constitution - requiring that the Conclave ensure the fit and proper use of magic. At present the Conclave are unable to take account of the specific situations in which a magic might be employed when making that assessment - which seems neither [[Wisdom\|Wise]] nor [[Vigilance\|Vigilant]].		Camila claims that if the law were adopted then the view of interdiction would change. Rather than being seen as placing a ritual beyond the pale such that it cannot be cast - instead it would be seen as simply dangerous and thus requiring the approval of the Conclave. When the Conclave endorsed the use of an interdicted ritual that would bolster their authority rather than undermine it - since it would be clear that they had judiciously considered the matter and given their approval. In Camila's eyes this would better reflect the spirit of the Imperial Constitution - requiring that the Conclave ensure the fit and proper use of magic. At present the Conclave are unable to take account of the specific situations in which a magic might be employed when making that assessment - which seems neither [[Wisdom\|Wise]] nor [[Vigilance\|Vigilant]].
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	Camila has written to the [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] to request [[scrutiny]] of her proposal. Their response makes clear that they cannot give a definite answer unless they have a clearly worded [[Senate motion]] to consider. However in principle they see no reason why it would be unconstitutional to change the law in such a way provided it were done as part of a well written motion.		Camila has written to the [[Scrutiny#Constitutional_Court\|Constitutional Court]] to request [[scrutiny]] of her proposal. Their response makes clear that they cannot give a definite answer unless they have a clearly worded [[Senate motion]] to consider. However in principle they see no reason why it would be unconstitutional to change the law in such a way provided it were done as part of a well written motion.

	They advise that if any [[senator]] does wish to take up the matter, then they must consider a number of key points. Would the Declaration of ~~Endorsment~~ require a named target for the interdicted ritual? Would it require the ritual to be performed at a set time? Will a single named coven or magician be endorsed or can anyone benefit from the endorsement? How would this new declaration interact with rituals that are proscribed because they draw power from, or involve communion with, an [[eternals\|eternal]] under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]]?		They advise that if any [[senator]] does wish to take up the matter, then they must consider a number of key points. Would the Declaration of Endorsement require a named target for the interdicted ritual? Would it require the ritual to be performed at a set time? Will a single named coven or magician be endorsed or can anyone benefit from the endorsement? How would this new declaration interact with rituals that are proscribed because they draw power from, or involve communion with, an [[eternals\|eternal]] under [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]]?

	There are a lot of details which are not covered by Camila's rather general proposal that would ideally be defined so that that magistrates and civil servants could interpret the Senate's will correctly.		There are a lot of details which are not covered by Camila's rather general proposal that would ideally be defined so that that magistrates and civil servants could interpret the Senate's will correctly.

	They are clear that the constitutional court would '''not''' permit a law which simply endorsed one or more individuals to perform interdicted rituals at will. For example it would not be constitutional to interdict Rivers of Gold - and then endorse a single coven in the League to perform the ritual. That would fall foul of the ~~Constitutional~~'s goal to provide freedom and prosperity to Imperial citizens.		They are clear that the constitutional court would '''not''' permit a law which simply endorsed one or more individuals to perform interdicted rituals at will. For example it would not be constitutional to interdict Rivers of Gold - and then endorse a single coven in the League to perform the ritual. That would fall foul of the Constitution's goal to provide freedom and prosperity to Imperial citizens.