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Matt: /* The Past is Gone */

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The Past is Gone

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	The dreamspeakers of Seren want to encourage all Navarr to dream of all the things ''they'' could accomplish. The banishment of the vallorn is a crucial element of that, but so is the destruction of the [[Druj]], the defeat of the [[Jotun]], or victory over the [[Grendel]]. For the dreamspeakers, the work done to free slaves in [[Axos]] and other lands is an example of a dream that is every bit as important as freeing [[Brocéliande]] from the taint of Spring magic run amok. The recent endeavours to free the [[Great Forest Orcs]] from the brutal grip of the Druj is a perfect example of what such a dream might look like. Something that looks impossible on the face of it, becomes possible when enough people pull together.		The dreamspeakers of Seren want to encourage all Navarr to dream of all the things ''they'' could accomplish. The banishment of the vallorn is a crucial element of that, but so is the destruction of the [[Druj]], the defeat of the [[Jotun]], or victory over the [[Grendel]]. For the dreamspeakers, the work done to free slaves in [[Axos]] and other lands is an example of a dream that is every bit as important as freeing [[Brocéliande]] from the taint of Spring magic run amok. The recent endeavours to free the [[Great Forest Orcs]] from the brutal grip of the Druj is a perfect example of what such a dream might look like. Something that looks impossible on the face of it, becomes possible when enough people pull together.

	Many of them argue that the nation falls short of everything they could achieve because they focus too much on the vallorn and because they view it as a uniquely Navarr problem to deal with. They argue that the Navarr's true goal is ''not'' the destruction of the vallorn but the triumph of civilisation. According to the Navarr history, the [[Navarr_history#Origins_of_Navarr\|oath sworn by Navarr and Thorn]] was to restore ~~the~~ civilisation ~~of Terunael~~. For the dreamspeakers, the Empire is the true legacy of the Navarr - the vallorn is simply one problem of many that threatens its future.		Many of them argue that the nation falls short of everything they could achieve because they focus too much on the vallorn and because they view it as a uniquely Navarr problem to deal with. They argue that the Navarr's true goal is ''not'' the destruction of the vallorn but the triumph of civilisation. According to the Navarr history, the [[Navarr_history#Origins_of_Navarr\|oath sworn by Navarr and Thorn]] was to restore civilisation. For the dreamspeakers, the Empire is the true legacy of the Navarr - the vallorn is simply one problem of many that threatens its future.

	Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.		Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.

Matt: /* Where It Goes */

2026-08-19T11:36:01Z

Where It Goes

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	* '''Eirwen Mountain's Slumber argues that the true destiny of the Navarr is to build up the Empire		* '''Eirwen Mountain's Slumber argues that the true destiny of the Navarr is to build up the Empire
	* '''She dreams of a time when the Navarr are at the forefront of building connections between the Imperial nations		* '''She dreams of a time when the Navarr are at the forefront of building connections between the Imperial nations
	The [[Highguard\|Highborn]] may claim that the Empire is their destiny, but ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' argues that Navarr and Thorn swore to this cause centuries before the [[First Empress]] was born. The Empire is the legacy of the Navarr every bit as much as it is the Highborn. The focus on fighting the vallorn has blinded the Navarr to the fact that the founders of the nation didn't swear an oath to destroy the vallorn... they swore an oath ''to restore the civilisation of Terunael''. Her point is that the fundamental focus of Navarri aspirations should be the Empire itself. She doesn't deny that the Navarr would benefit from fighting harder for their own cause, but they would also gain by proactively engaging with other nations, seeking out ways to work together and collaborate to achieve shared goals.		The [[Highguard\|Highborn]] may claim that the Empire is their destiny, but ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' argues that Navarr and Thorn swore to this cause centuries before the [[First Empress]] was born. The Empire is the legacy of the Navarr every bit as much as it is the Highborn. The focus on fighting the vallorn has blinded the Navarr to the fact that the founders of the nation didn't swear an oath to destroy the vallorn... they swore an oath ''to restore the civilisation of Terunael''. There is plenty of evidence it wasn't Terunael that Navarr and Thorn cared about - they were not blind to that nation's flaws - it was the idea of civilisation itself that they were pledging themselves to. Her point is that the fundamental focus of Navarri aspirations should be the Empire itself. She doesn't deny that the Navarr would benefit from fighting harder for their own cause, but they would also gain by proactively engaging with other nations, seeking out ways to work together and collaborate to achieve shared goals.

	The Empire would simply not exist without the Navarr, says Eirwen. It was Navarr messengers who brought the leaders of the nations together at Anvil, who brought the First Empress to her first allies, helped her build her crucial alliance with Dawn. The Navarr created the [[trods]] that are so vital to allowing the Empire to grow and supporting its armies. It is the Navarr who to this day continue to bind the nations together, ensuring that even the most far-flung outposts still feel connected to the heart of the Empire. Without the Navarr, and their continued tending of the fire of civilisation, the Imperial dream would have guttered and gone out centuries ago.		The Empire would simply not exist without the Navarr, says Eirwen. It was Navarr messengers who brought the leaders of the nations together at Anvil, who brought the First Empress to her first allies, helped her build her crucial alliance with Dawn. The Navarr created the [[trods]] that are so vital to allowing the Empire to grow and supporting its armies. It is the Navarr who to this day continue to bind the nations together, ensuring that even the most far-flung outposts still feel connected to the heart of the Empire. Without the Navarr, and their continued tending of the fire of civilisation, the Imperial dream would have guttered and gone out centuries ago.

Rosemary: /* Know How To Win */ I have permission I promise ;)

2026-08-19T08:07:32Z

Know How To Win: I have permission I promise ;)

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	Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.		Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.
	===Know How To Win===		===Know How To Win===
	* '''Deryn of Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''		* '''Deryn Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''
	* '''The Navarr could cease to carry messages the length and breadth of the Empire'''		* '''The Navarr could cease to carry messages the length and breadth of the Empire'''
	''Deryn of Vision's End'' once lived in Liathaven, but since the loss of Vision's End steading has been in constant motion cross the Empire with the other survivors. His vision is that the Navarr be more proactive in engaging with the Empire, to fight for their dreams. He believes that the Navarr nation has sacrificed its own ambitions too often for the benefit of others. He cites recent events in [[Therunin]], where he says the [[Military Council]] made choices that ''allowed'' the territory to fall to the Druj and the vallorn. Thousands of Navarr died, Thornsong House and [[Therunin#Peakedge_Stead\|Peakedge Stead]] were destroyed, the [[Thimble]] was lost first to the orcs and then to the vallorn. All the work that went into clearing the vallorn from [[Therunin#Eastring\|Eastring]] was undone in a way that cannot be resolved without [[A thousand years of longing\|uniting the vallornhearts]]. Deryn doesn't downplay the sacrifices made - the [[Under_eastern_skies\|loss]] of [[Isaella's Dance]] and the [[Iron Helms]], the undoubted [[A_bright_cerulean_flame\|courage]] of the [[Pilgrim's Defiance]] - but he expresses bitterness that the Navarr armies always seem to be somewhere else when their lands are threatened.		''Deryn Vision's End'' once lived in Liathaven, but since the loss of Vision's End steading has been in constant motion cross the Empire with the other survivors. His vision is that the Navarr be more proactive in engaging with the Empire, to fight for their dreams. He believes that the Navarr nation has sacrificed its own ambitions too often for the benefit of others. He cites recent events in [[Therunin]], where he says the [[Military Council]] made choices that ''allowed'' the territory to fall to the Druj and the vallorn. Thousands of Navarr died, Thornsong House and [[Therunin#Peakedge_Stead\|Peakedge Stead]] were destroyed, the [[Thimble]] was lost first to the orcs and then to the vallorn. All the work that went into clearing the vallorn from [[Therunin#Eastring\|Eastring]] was undone in a way that cannot be resolved without [[A thousand years of longing\|uniting the vallornhearts]]. Deryn doesn't downplay the sacrifices made - the [[Under_eastern_skies\|loss]] of [[Isaella's Dance]] and the [[Iron Helms]], the undoubted [[A_bright_cerulean_flame\|courage]] of the [[Pilgrim's Defiance]] - but he expresses bitterness that the Navarr armies always seem to be somewhere else when their lands are threatened.

	Other nations have been much more successful at defending their interests. Deryn points to the example of the [[The Marches\|Marcher]] [[general\|generals]] who swore [[I_already_know_you#Reeds,_Drakes,_Tusks,_Bounders\|mighty oaths]] to ''always'' stand ready to defend their home territory. Some might say that such oaths are madness - that they sacrifice strategic flexibility for uncertain gains - but Deryn disagrees. Marcher generals are forced by their oaths to stand and fight for their land... and every time they do, the Military Council and the people of the Marches stand with them. What might the world look like if the Navarr generals had sworn to die in the defence of [[Liathaven]]? Of [[Therunin]]? Why is there no drive to recover Liathaven, the way the Empire threw themselves into the fray every time the Jotun threaten Mitwold, Mournwold, or Bregasland?		Other nations have been much more successful at defending their interests. Deryn points to the example of the [[The Marches\|Marcher]] [[general\|generals]] who swore [[I_already_know_you#Reeds,_Drakes,_Tusks,_Bounders\|mighty oaths]] to ''always'' stand ready to defend their home territory. Some might say that such oaths are madness - that they sacrifice strategic flexibility for uncertain gains - but Deryn disagrees. Marcher generals are forced by their oaths to stand and fight for their land... and every time they do, the Military Council and the people of the Marches stand with them. What might the world look like if the Navarr generals had sworn to die in the defence of [[Liathaven]]? Of [[Therunin]]? Why is there no drive to recover Liathaven, the way the Empire threw themselves into the fray every time the Jotun threaten Mitwold, Mournwold, or Bregasland?

Rosemary: /* Where It Goes */

2026-08-19T08:07:03Z

Where It Goes

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	===Where It Goes===		===Where It Goes===
	* '''Eirwen ~~of Mountains~~ Slumber argues that the true destiny of the Navarr is to build up the Empire		* '''Eirwen Mountain's Slumber argues that the true destiny of the Navarr is to build up the Empire
	* '''She dreams of a time when the Navarr are at the forefront of building connections between the Imperial nations		* '''She dreams of a time when the Navarr are at the forefront of building connections between the Imperial nations
	The [[Highguard\|Highborn]] may claim that the Empire is their destiny, but ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' argues that Navarr and Thorn swore to this cause centuries before the [[First Empress]] was born. The Empire is the legacy of the Navarr every bit as much as it is the Highborn. The focus on fighting the vallorn has blinded the Navarr to the fact that the founders of the nation didn't swear an oath to destroy the vallorn... they swore an oath ''to restore the civilisation of Terunael''. Her point is that the fundamental focus of Navarri aspirations should be the Empire itself. She doesn't deny that the Navarr would benefit from fighting harder for their own cause, but they would also gain by proactively engaging with other nations, seeking out ways to work together and collaborate to achieve shared goals.		The [[Highguard\|Highborn]] may claim that the Empire is their destiny, but ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' argues that Navarr and Thorn swore to this cause centuries before the [[First Empress]] was born. The Empire is the legacy of the Navarr every bit as much as it is the Highborn. The focus on fighting the vallorn has blinded the Navarr to the fact that the founders of the nation didn't swear an oath to destroy the vallorn... they swore an oath ''to restore the civilisation of Terunael''. Her point is that the fundamental focus of Navarri aspirations should be the Empire itself. She doesn't deny that the Navarr would benefit from fighting harder for their own cause, but they would also gain by proactively engaging with other nations, seeking out ways to work together and collaborate to achieve shared goals.

Dre at 09:25, 18 August 2026

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	"Well then how come the name has changed now? Folks used to call Seren the Garden City, when they called it anything at all. If the name is what the thing is, how can you change the name?"		"Well then how come the name has changed now? Folks used to call Seren the Garden City, when they called it anything at all. If the name is what the thing is, how can you change the name?"

	"Simple" said Kenda, "You just have to change the nature of something. Change Seren, change ~~it's~~ nature, and ~~it's~~ name will change to match. That's why it's important - it means something has changed."		"Simple" said Kenda, "You just have to change the nature of something. Change Seren, change its nature, and its name will change to match. That's why it's important - it means something has changed."

	"But Seren changes all the time - there are always stridings coming through, people arriving, people leaving. Surely, the city is always changing." Rhys often struggled to understand hearth magic, but he always found it fascinating to have it explained, hence why he was paying for dinner.		"But Seren changes all the time - there are always stridings coming through, people arriving, people leaving. Surely, the city is always changing." Rhys often struggled to understand hearth magic, but he always found it fascinating to have it explained, hence why he was paying for dinner.

Twiggy: /* Where It Goes */

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Where It Goes

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	Eirwen points to the Navarr's [[Every path you know\|highest calling]] as an example where the Navarr nation has demonstrated such leadership recently. The Assembly embraced the dream to help other nations prepare for the coming war with the vallorn. Engaging with those nations that were ready to face the coming conflict enabled people to identify ways they could grow stronger together. The Navarr advanced their dream of finally defeating the vallorn not by strengthening the nation directly, but rather by strengthening the Empire itself.		Eirwen points to the Navarr's [[Every path you know\|highest calling]] as an example where the Navarr nation has demonstrated such leadership recently. The Assembly embraced the dream to help other nations prepare for the coming war with the vallorn. Engaging with those nations that were ready to face the coming conflict enabled people to identify ways they could grow stronger together. The Navarr advanced their dream of finally defeating the vallorn not by strengthening the nation directly, but rather by strengthening the Empire itself.

	The immediate effects of that highest calling may be coming to an end, but the Navarr have already established another way to collaborate with the other nations. At present there are five substantial [[Navarr_wayhouse\|Navarr wayhouses]] in various parts of the Empire. The [[Keeper_of_the_Last_Battle#Last_Battle_Wayhouse\|Last Battle]] in built in [[the Barrens#The Bleaks\|the Bleaks]] in [[the Barrens]] on lands that the [[Karass]] claim as their own. The other four are on firmer ground, [[Keeper_of_the_Stand#Micah's_Stand_Wayhouse\|Micah's Stand]] in [[Reikos#Chalcis Mount\|Chalcis Mount]], [[Reikos]]; [[Strategos_of_Navarr#Awstin's_Rest\|Awstin's Rest]] in [[Ossium#Nearwald\|Nearweald]] in [[Ossium]]; the [[Keeper_of_the_Ashen_Tears#Ashen_Tears_Wayhouse\|Ashen Tears]] in the [[Skarsind#Skogei Glens\|Skogei Glens]] in [[Skarsind]] and the [[Keeper_of_the_Splintered_House#The_Splintered_House\|Splintered House]] in [[Holberg#Utterlund\|Utterlund]], in [[Holberg]]. The number of stridings might be reduced, but there are still thousands of Navarr who pass through these wayhouses every year. Together they give the Navarr a unique opportunity to benefit from the relationship with the nation in question.		The immediate effects of that highest calling may be coming to an end, but the Navarr have already established another way to collaborate with the other nations. At present there are five substantial [[Navarr_wayhouse\|Navarr wayhouses]] in various parts of the Empire. The [[Keeper_of_the_Last_Battle#Last_Battle_Wayhouse\|Last Battle]] in built in [[the Barrens#The Bleaks\|the Bleaks]] in [[the Barrens]] on lands that the [[Not_to_conquer#Karass\|Karass]] claim as their own. The other four are on firmer ground, [[Keeper_of_the_Stand#Micah's_Stand_Wayhouse\|Micah's Stand]] in [[Reikos#Chalcis Mount\|Chalcis Mount]], [[Reikos]]; [[Strategos_of_Navarr#Awstin's_Rest\|Awstin's Rest]] in [[Ossium#Nearwald\|Nearweald]] in [[Ossium]]; the [[Keeper_of_the_Ashen_Tears#Ashen_Tears_Wayhouse\|Ashen Tears]] in the [[Skarsind#Skogei Glens\|Skogei Glens]] in [[Skarsind]] and the [[Keeper_of_the_Splintered_House#The_Splintered_House\|Splintered House]] in [[Holberg#Utterlund\|Utterlund]], in [[Holberg]]. The number of stridings might be reduced, but there are still thousands of Navarr who pass through these wayhouses every year. Together they give the Navarr a unique opportunity to benefit from the relationship with the nation in question.
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Twiggy at 14:22, 17 August 2026

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Rosemary: /* Know How To Win */

2026-08-17T13:25:21Z

Know How To Win

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	* '''Deryn of Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''		* '''Deryn of Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''
	* '''The Navarr could cease to carry messages the length and breadth of the Empire'''		* '''The Navarr could cease to carry messages the length and breadth of the Empire'''
	''Deryn of Vision's End'' once lived in Liathaven, but since the loss of Vision's End steading has been in constant motion cross the Empire with the other survivors. His vision is that the Navarr be more proactive in engaging with the Empire, to fight for their dreams. He believes that the Navarr nation has sacrificed its own ambitions too often for the benefit of others. He cites recent events in [[Therunin]], where he says the [[Military Council]] made choices that ''allowed'' the territory to fall to the Druj and the vallorn. Thousands of Navarr died, Thornsong House and [[Therunin#~~Peakedge_Song~~\|Peakedge ~~Song~~]] were destroyed, the [[Thimble]] was lost first to the orcs and then to the vallorn. All the work that went into clearing the vallorn from [[Therunin#Eastring\|Eastring]] was undone in a way that cannot be resolved without [[A thousand years of longing\|uniting the vallornhearts]]. Deryn doesn't downplay the sacrifices made - the [[Under_eastern_skies\|loss]] of [[Isaella's Dance]] and the [[Iron Helms]], the undoubted [[A_bright_cerulean_flame\|courage]] of the [[Pilgrim's Defiance]] - but he expresses bitterness that the Navarr armies always seem to be somewhere else when their lands are threatened.		''Deryn of Vision's End'' once lived in Liathaven, but since the loss of Vision's End steading has been in constant motion cross the Empire with the other survivors. His vision is that the Navarr be more proactive in engaging with the Empire, to fight for their dreams. He believes that the Navarr nation has sacrificed its own ambitions too often for the benefit of others. He cites recent events in [[Therunin]], where he says the [[Military Council]] made choices that ''allowed'' the territory to fall to the Druj and the vallorn. Thousands of Navarr died, Thornsong House and [[Therunin#Peakedge_Stead\|Peakedge Stead]] were destroyed, the [[Thimble]] was lost first to the orcs and then to the vallorn. All the work that went into clearing the vallorn from [[Therunin#Eastring\|Eastring]] was undone in a way that cannot be resolved without [[A thousand years of longing\|uniting the vallornhearts]]. Deryn doesn't downplay the sacrifices made - the [[Under_eastern_skies\|loss]] of [[Isaella's Dance]] and the [[Iron Helms]], the undoubted [[A_bright_cerulean_flame\|courage]] of the [[Pilgrim's Defiance]] - but he expresses bitterness that the Navarr armies always seem to be somewhere else when their lands are threatened.

	Other nations have been much more successful at defending their interests. Deryn points to the example of the [[The Marches\|Marcher]] [[general\|generals]] who swore [[I_already_know_you#Reeds,_Drakes,_Tusks,_Bounders\|mighty oaths]] to ''always'' stand ready to defend their home territory. Some might say that such oaths are madness - that they sacrifice strategic flexibility for uncertain gains - but Deryn disagrees. Marcher generals are forced by their oaths to stand and fight for their land... and every time they do, the Military Council and the people of the Marches stand with them. What might the world look like if the Navarr generals had sworn to die in the defence of [[Liathaven]]? Of [[Therunin]]? Why is there no drive to recover Liathaven, the way the Empire threw themselves into the fray every time the Jotun threaten Mitwold, Mournwold, or Bregasland?		Other nations have been much more successful at defending their interests. Deryn points to the example of the [[The Marches\|Marcher]] [[general\|generals]] who swore [[I_already_know_you#Reeds,_Drakes,_Tusks,_Bounders\|mighty oaths]] to ''always'' stand ready to defend their home territory. Some might say that such oaths are madness - that they sacrifice strategic flexibility for uncertain gains - but Deryn disagrees. Marcher generals are forced by their oaths to stand and fight for their land... and every time they do, the Military Council and the people of the Marches stand with them. What might the world look like if the Navarr generals had sworn to die in the defence of [[Liathaven]]? Of [[Therunin]]? Why is there no drive to recover Liathaven, the way the Empire threw themselves into the fray every time the Jotun threaten Mitwold, Mournwold, or Bregasland?

GuiltyConscience: /* Messages */

2026-08-17T12:43:42Z

Messages

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	Deryn isn't blaming the Military Council or the Navarr generals for this situation. Rather he suggests that too many Navarr think in terms of what ''they'' can do to achieve an outcome. They think of their problems as ''Navarr'' problems, instead of thinking of them as ''Imperial'' problems. According to Deryn, what the Navarr need is some ''leverage''. Like the Marchers and the Urizeni before them, they need a weapon they can wield to fight for their dreams.		Deryn isn't blaming the Military Council or the Navarr generals for this situation. Rather he suggests that too many Navarr think in terms of what ''they'' can do to achieve an outcome. They think of their problems as ''Navarr'' problems, instead of thinking of them as ''Imperial'' problems. According to Deryn, what the Navarr need is some ''leverage''. Like the Marchers and the Urizeni before them, they need a weapon they can wield to fight for their dreams.

	Two years ago, the Marchers [[Sound_the_bells#Turn_the_Other_Field\|contemplated what would happen]] if their farmers stopped producing the grain that the Empire relied on to feed their armies. Many argued that it was foolish to even put words to such thoughts, given how significant the impact would be for the Empire. Indeed the Marchers soundly voted against the idea - but Deryn argues that they only sheathed their weapon they did not throw it away, and there is power in knowing that weapon exists. And in ensuring the rest of the Empire is ''also'' aware of that weapon. It reminded everyone what the Marchers do for their fellow citizens that no other nation can. It sent a powerful message that the Empire should not take Marcher grain for granted.		Two years ago, the Marchers [[Sound_the_bells#Turn_the_Other_Field\|contemplated what would happen]] if their farmers stopped producing the grain that the Empire relied on to feed their armies. Many argued that it was foolish to even put words to such thoughts, given how significant the impact would be for the Empire. Indeed the Marchers soundly voted against the idea - but Deryn argues that they only sheathed their weapon, they did not throw it away, and there is power in knowing that weapon exists. And in ensuring the rest of the Empire is ''also'' aware of that weapon. It reminded everyone what the Marchers do for their fellow citizens that no other nation can. It sent a powerful message that the Empire should not take Marcher grain for granted.

	Of course, the nation might not ''want'' such a weapon. The Navarr know better than anyone the danger of dreaming of weapons, and what happens when they are made real without thought to the consequences. With that in mind he has prevailed on the egregores of the nation to put his question to those he considers the best people to make the decision about whether to open a box of trouble or not. The [[Brand\|brands]] have sworn oaths of service to their steadings, their stridings, their nation, and indeed the Empire.		Of course, the nation might not ''want'' such a weapon. The Navarr know better than anyone the danger of dreaming of weapons, and what happens when they are made real without thought to the consequences. With that in mind he has prevailed on the egregores of the nation to put his question to those he considers the best people to make the decision about whether to open a box of trouble or not. The [[Brand\|brands]] have sworn oaths of service to their steadings, their stridings, their nation, and indeed the Empire.

	The Navarr egregore has agreed to host a meeting at the Song and Story Henge in the Navarr camp on Saturday evening at 6:00pm. The question Deryn puts to them is whether they wish the Navarr to explore the ways they could show how important they are to the Empire if it were needed. If there is any support for the idea, then at the end of the meeting, the brands can take a simple vote on it and the egregores will make sure the nation knows of their decision. If this happens, then at the Winter Solstice there will be a wind of fortune detailing [[opportunity\|opportunities]] for the Navarr to demonstrate why the Empire needs the Navarr, and to give voice to those angry at the way they feel they have been ~~mistrated~~ by their fellow Imperial nations.		The Navarr egregore has agreed to host a meeting at the Song and Story Henge in the Navarr camp on Saturday evening at 6:00pm. The question Deryn puts to them is whether they wish the Navarr to explore the ways they could show how important they are to the Empire if it were needed. If there is any support for the idea, then at the end of the meeting, the brands can take a simple vote on it and the egregores will make sure the nation knows of their decision. If this happens, then at the Winter Solstice there will be a wind of fortune detailing [[opportunity\|opportunities]] for the Navarr to demonstrate why the Empire needs the Navarr, and to give voice to those angry at the way they feel they have been mistreated by their fellow Imperial nations.

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GuiltyConscience: /* The Past is Gone */

2026-08-17T12:40:47Z

The Past is Gone

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	Many of them argue that the nation falls short of everything they could achieve because they focus too much on the vallorn and because they view it as a uniquely Navarr problem to deal with. They argue that the Navarr's true goal is ''not'' the destruction of the vallorn but the triumph of civilisation. According to the Navarr history, the [[Navarr_history#Origins_of_Navarr\|oath sworn by Navarr and Thorn]] was to restore the civilisation of Terunael. For the dreamspeakers, the Empire is the true legacy of the Navarr - the vallorn is simply one problem of many that threatens its future.		Many of them argue that the nation falls short of everything they could achieve because they focus too much on the vallorn and because they view it as a uniquely Navarr problem to deal with. They argue that the Navarr's true goal is ''not'' the destruction of the vallorn but the triumph of civilisation. According to the Navarr history, the [[Navarr_history#Origins_of_Navarr\|oath sworn by Navarr and Thorn]] was to restore the civilisation of Terunael. For the dreamspeakers, the Empire is the true legacy of the Navarr - the vallorn is simply one problem of many that threatens its future.

	Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of ~~Moutains~~ Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.		Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.
	===Know How To Win===		===Know How To Win===
	* '''Deryn of Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''		* '''Deryn of Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''
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	Of course, the nation might not ''want'' such a weapon. The Navarr know better than anyone the danger of dreaming of weapons, and what happens when they are made real without thought to the consequences. With that in mind he has prevailed on the egregores of the nation to put his question to those he considers the best people to make the decision about whether to open a box of trouble or not. The [[Brand\|brands]] have sworn oaths of service to their steadings, their stridings, their nation, and indeed the Empire.		Of course, the nation might not ''want'' such a weapon. The Navarr know better than anyone the danger of dreaming of weapons, and what happens when they are made real without thought to the consequences. With that in mind he has prevailed on the egregores of the nation to put his question to those he considers the best people to make the decision about whether to open a box of trouble or not. The [[Brand\|brands]] have sworn oaths of service to their steadings, their stridings, their nation, and indeed the Empire.

	The Navarr egregore has agreed to host a meeting at the ~~Song~~ and ~~Story~~ Henge in the Navarr camp on Saturday evening at 6:00pm. The question Deryn puts to them is whether they wish the Navarr to explore the ways they could show how important they are to the Empire if it were needed. If there is any support for the idea, then at the end of the meeting, the brands can take a simple vote on it and the egregores will make sure the nation knows of their decision. If this happens, then at the Winter Solstice there will be a wind of fortune detailing [[opportunity\|opportunities]] for the Navarr to demonstrate why the Empire needs the Navarr, and to give voice to those angry at the way they feel they have been mistreated by their fellow Imperial nations.		The Navarr egregore has agreed to host a meeting at the Songs and Stories Henge in the Navarr camp on Saturday evening at 6:00pm. The question Deryn puts to them is whether they wish the Navarr to explore the ways they could show how important they are to the Empire if it were needed. If there is any support for the idea, then at the end of the meeting, the brands can take a simple vote on it and the egregores will make sure the nation knows of their decision. If this happens, then at the Winter Solstice there will be a wind of fortune detailing [[opportunity\|opportunities]] for the Navarr to demonstrate why the Empire needs the Navarr, and to give voice to those angry at the way they feel they have been mistreated by their fellow Imperial nations.

	===Where It Goes===		===Where It Goes===
	* '''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber argues that the true destiny of the Navarr is to build up the Empire		* '''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber argues that the true destiny of the Navarr is to build up the Empire
	* '''She dreams of a time when the Navarr are at the forefront of building connections between the ~~Imperian~~ nations		* '''She dreams of a time when the Navarr are at the forefront of building connections between the Imperial nations
	The [[Highguard\|Highborn]] may claim that the Empire is their destiny, but ''Eirwen of ~~Moutains~~ Slumber'' argues that Navarr and Thorn swore to this cause centuries before the [[First Empress]] was born. The Empire is the legacy of the Navarr every bit as much as it is the Highborn. The focus on fighting the vallorn has blinded the Navarr to the fact that the founders of the nation didn't swear an oath to destroy the vallorn... they swore an oath ''to restore the civilisation of Terunael''. Her point is that the fundamental focus of Navarri aspirations should be the Empire itself. She doesn't deny that the Navarr would benefit from fighting harder for their own cause, but they would also gain by proactively engaging with other nations, seeking out ways to work together and collaborate to achieve shared goals.		The [[Highguard\|Highborn]] may claim that the Empire is their destiny, but ''Eirwen of Mountains Slumber'' argues that Navarr and Thorn swore to this cause centuries before the [[First Empress]] was born. The Empire is the legacy of the Navarr every bit as much as it is the Highborn. The focus on fighting the vallorn has blinded the Navarr to the fact that the founders of the nation didn't swear an oath to destroy the vallorn... they swore an oath ''to restore the civilisation of Terunael''. Her point is that the fundamental focus of Navarri aspirations should be the Empire itself. She doesn't deny that the Navarr would benefit from fighting harder for their own cause, but they would also gain by proactively engaging with other nations, seeking out ways to work together and collaborate to achieve shared goals.

	The Empire would simply not exist without the Navarr, says Eirwen. It was Navarr messengers who brought the leaders of the nations together at Anvil, who brought the First Empress to her first allies, helped her build her crucial alliance with Dawn. The Navarr created the [[trods]] that are so vital to allowing the Empire to grow and supporting its armies. It is the Navarr who to this day continue to bind the nations together, ensuring that even the most far-flung outposts still feel connected to the heart of the Empire. Without the Navarr, and their continued tending of the fire of civilisation, the Imperial dream would have guttered and gone out centuries ago.		The Empire would simply not exist without the Navarr, says Eirwen. It was Navarr messengers who brought the leaders of the nations together at Anvil, who brought the First Empress to her first allies, helped her build her crucial alliance with Dawn. The Navarr created the [[trods]] that are so vital to allowing the Empire to grow and supporting its armies. It is the Navarr who to this day continue to bind the nations together, ensuring that even the most far-flung outposts still feel connected to the heart of the Empire. Without the Navarr, and their continued tending of the fire of civilisation, the Imperial dream would have guttered and gone out centuries ago.
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	If the Navarr can choose a single territory and define what their dream would be then it is guaranteed to create an [[opportunity]] to do something to pursue that goal. The only limitation is that this goal must be something other than "defeating the vallorn". That noble goal is already the highest calling of the Navarr and the [[Dawn\|Dawnish]] - this is a chance for the Navarr to work with the other nations to identify some ''other'' dream that they have in common. Some other way that the Navarr can fulfil their oaths to restore civilisation.		If the Navarr can choose a single territory and define what their dream would be then it is guaranteed to create an [[opportunity]] to do something to pursue that goal. The only limitation is that this goal must be something other than "defeating the vallorn". That noble goal is already the highest calling of the Navarr and the [[Dawn\|Dawnish]] - this is a chance for the Navarr to work with the other nations to identify some ''other'' dream that they have in common. Some other way that the Navarr can fulfil their oaths to restore civilisation.

	Of course such high-minded ideas are all well and good, but someone is going to have to decide where and when and who and how. Eirwen has asked the Navarr egregore to host a meeting at the ~~Song~~ and ~~Story~~ Henge in the Navarr camp on Saturday evening at 17:00. This meeting will allow the assembled wayhouses to discuss which [[Navarr wayhouse]] to select and what the dream should be. Once that decision is made, then Eirwen and her colleagues will look to see what they can do to enable that dream. Given that this ambition depends on the wayhouses, Eirwen has asked those Navarr who have been appointed to run a [[Navarr wayhouse]], or who are from a [[steading]] that is a Navarr [[wayhouse]], to attend and decide the matter. If needed, a simple vote of those attending can take place.		Of course such high-minded ideas are all well and good, but someone is going to have to decide where and when and who and how. Eirwen has asked the Navarr egregore to host a meeting at the Songs and Stories Henge in the Navarr camp on Saturday evening at 17:00. This meeting will allow the assembled wayhouses to discuss which [[Navarr wayhouse]] to select and what the dream should be. Once that decision is made, then Eirwen and her colleagues will look to see what they can do to enable that dream. Given that this ambition depends on the wayhouses, Eirwen has asked those Navarr who have been appointed to run a [[Navarr wayhouse]], or who are from a [[steading]] that is a Navarr [[wayhouse]], to attend and decide the matter. If needed, a simple vote of those attending can take place.

	A new wayhouse has recently been [[Construct_Wayhouse_in_the_Barrens\|constructed in the Barrens]]. The [[Keeper of Caedwynn's Hold]] is due to be appointed by the Navarr senators at the coming summit. If a new Keeper is in place by 17:00 on Saturday, then they would be eligible to take part in the meeting with the other wayhouses.		A new wayhouse has recently been [[Construct_Wayhouse_in_the_Barrens\|constructed in the Barrens]]. The [[Keeper of Caedwynn's Hold]] is due to be appointed by the Navarr senators at the coming summit. If a new Keeper is in place by 17:00 on Saturday, then they would be eligible to take part in the meeting with the other wayhouses.

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	* '''The dreamspeaker archetype is now available to Navarr characters		* '''The dreamspeaker archetype is now available to Navarr characters
	* '''The dreamspeakers encourage the people of their nation to look to the future		* '''The dreamspeakers encourage the people of their nation to look to the future
	There have been dreamers in Miaren, for centuries, ever since the vallorn was driven out leaving the tranquil forests to became a haven. Now the completion of the Temple has encouraged the most passionate among them to come forth, eager to share their philosophy with others in the nation. These dreamspeakers are passionate advocates of the importance of aspiration and determination - they believe that the best way to follow the Way is to imagine everything that you might accomplish and to set yourself on the path to ~~achieveing~~ that.		There have been dreamers in Miaren for centuries, ever since the vallorn was driven out leaving the tranquil forests to became a haven. Now the completion of the Temple has encouraged the most passionate among them to come forth, eager to share their philosophy with others in the nation. These dreamspeakers are passionate advocates of the importance of aspiration and determination - they believe that the best way to follow the Way is to imagine everything that you might accomplish and to set yourself on the path to achieving that.

	The dreamspeakers of Seren want to encourage all Navarr to dream of all the things ''they'' could accomplish. The banishment of the vallorn is a crucial element of that, but so is the destruction of the [[Druj]], the defeat of the [[Jotun]], or victory over the [[Grendel]]. For the dreamspeakers, the work done to free slaves in [[Axos]] and other lands is an example of a dream that is every bit as important as freeing [[Brocéliande]] from the taint of Spring magic run amok. The recent endeavours to free the [[Great Forest Orcs]] from the brutal grip of the Druj is a perfect example of what such a dream might look like. Something that looks impossible on the face of it, becomes possible when enough people pull together.		The dreamspeakers of Seren want to encourage all Navarr to dream of all the things ''they'' could accomplish. The banishment of the vallorn is a crucial element of that, but so is the destruction of the [[Druj]], the defeat of the [[Jotun]], or victory over the [[Grendel]]. For the dreamspeakers, the work done to free slaves in [[Axos]] and other lands is an example of a dream that is every bit as important as freeing [[Brocéliande]] from the taint of Spring magic run amok. The recent endeavours to free the [[Great Forest Orcs]] from the brutal grip of the Druj is a perfect example of what such a dream might look like. Something that looks impossible on the face of it, becomes possible when enough people pull together.

	Many of them argue that the nation falls short of everything they could achieve because they focus too much on the vallorn and because they view it as a uniquely Navarr problem to deal with. They argue that the Navarr's true goal is ''not'' the destruction of the ~~Vallorn~~ but the triumph of civilisation. According to the Navarr history, the [[Navarr_history#Origins_of_Navarr\|oath sworn by Navarr and Thorn]] was to restore the civilisation of Terunael. For the dreamspeakers, the Empire is the true legacy of the Navarr - the vallorn is simply one problem of many that threatens its future.		Many of them argue that the nation falls short of everything they could achieve because they focus too much on the vallorn and because they view it as a uniquely Navarr problem to deal with. They argue that the Navarr's true goal is ''not'' the destruction of the vallorn but the triumph of civilisation. According to the Navarr history, the [[Navarr_history#Origins_of_Navarr\|oath sworn by Navarr and Thorn]] was to restore the civilisation of Terunael. For the dreamspeakers, the Empire is the true legacy of the Navarr - the vallorn is simply one problem of many that threatens its future.

	Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of Moutains Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.		Two amongst their number are not content only to dream. ''Deryn of Vision's End'' argues that the Navarr nation has suffered because they have become too focused on the vallorn and are losing crucial battles as a result. Contrarywise, ''Eirwen of Moutains Slumber'' in [[Hercynia]] seeks to encourage the Navarr to look for ways they could take up the legacy of their founders, not by destroying the vallorn but by building civilisation.
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	* '''Deryn of Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''		* '''Deryn of Vision's End says that the Navarr have sacrificed too much and should remind the rest of the Empire of their contributions'''
	* '''The Navarr could cease to carry messages the length and breadth of the Empire'''		* '''The Navarr could cease to carry messages the length and breadth of the Empire'''
	''Deryn of Vision's End'' once lived in Liathaven, but since the loss of Vision's End steading has been in constant motion cross the Empire with the other survivors. His vision is that the Navarr be more proactive in engaging with the Empire, to fight for their dreams. He believes that the Navarr nation has sacrificed its own ambitions too often for the benefit of others. He cites recent events in [[Therunin]], where he says the [[Military Council]] made choices that ''allowed'' the territory to fall to the Druj and the ~~Vallorn~~. Thousands of Navarr died, Thornsong House and [[Therunin#Peakedge_Song\|Peakedge Song]] were destroyed, the [[Thimble]] was lost first to the orcs and then to the vallorn. All the work that went into clearing the vallorn from [[Therunin#Eastring\|Eastring]] was undone in a way that cannot be resolved without [[A thousand years of longing\|uniting the vallornhearts]]. Deryn doesn't downplay the sacrifices made - the [[Under_eastern_skies\|loss]] of [[Isaella's Dance]] and the [[Iron Helms]], the undoubted [[A_bright_cerulean_flame\|courage]] of the [[Pilgrim's Defiance]] - but he expresses bitterness that the Navarr armies always seem to be somewhere else when their lands are threatened.		''Deryn of Vision's End'' once lived in Liathaven, but since the loss of Vision's End steading has been in constant motion cross the Empire with the other survivors. His vision is that the Navarr be more proactive in engaging with the Empire, to fight for their dreams. He believes that the Navarr nation has sacrificed its own ambitions too often for the benefit of others. He cites recent events in [[Therunin]], where he says the [[Military Council]] made choices that ''allowed'' the territory to fall to the Druj and the vallorn. Thousands of Navarr died, Thornsong House and [[Therunin#Peakedge_Song\|Peakedge Song]] were destroyed, the [[Thimble]] was lost first to the orcs and then to the vallorn. All the work that went into clearing the vallorn from [[Therunin#Eastring\|Eastring]] was undone in a way that cannot be resolved without [[A thousand years of longing\|uniting the vallornhearts]]. Deryn doesn't downplay the sacrifices made - the [[Under_eastern_skies\|loss]] of [[Isaella's Dance]] and the [[Iron Helms]], the undoubted [[A_bright_cerulean_flame\|courage]] of the [[Pilgrim's Defiance]] - but he expresses bitterness that the Navarr armies always seem to be somewhere else when their lands are threatened.

	Other nations have been much more successful at defending their interests. Deryn points to the example of the [[The Marches\|Marcher]] [[general\|generals]] who swore [[I_already_know_you#Reeds,_Drakes,_Tusks,_Bounders\|mighty oaths]] to ''always'' stand ready to defend their home territory. Some might say that such oaths are madness - that they sacrifice strategic flexibility for uncertain gains - but Deryn disagrees. Marcher generals are forced by their oaths to stand and fight for their land... and every time they do, the Military Council and the people of the Marches stand with them. What might the world look like if the Navarr generals had sworn to die in the defence of [[Liathaven]]? Of [[Therunin]]? Why is there no drive to recover Liathaven, the way the Empire threw themselves into the fray every time the Jotun threaten Mitwold, Mournwold, or Bregasland?		Other nations have been much more successful at defending their interests. Deryn points to the example of the [[The Marches\|Marcher]] [[general\|generals]] who swore [[I_already_know_you#Reeds,_Drakes,_Tusks,_Bounders\|mighty oaths]] to ''always'' stand ready to defend their home territory. Some might say that such oaths are madness - that they sacrifice strategic flexibility for uncertain gains - but Deryn disagrees. Marcher generals are forced by their oaths to stand and fight for their land... and every time they do, the Military Council and the people of the Marches stand with them. What might the world look like if the Navarr generals had sworn to die in the defence of [[Liathaven]]? Of [[Therunin]]? Why is there no drive to recover Liathaven, the way the Empire threw themselves into the fray every time the Jotun threaten Mitwold, Mournwold, or Bregasland?
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	* '''Eirwen and Deryn's paths are not exclusive of each other'''		* '''Eirwen and Deryn's paths are not exclusive of each other'''
	These two dreamspeakers are inspired by very different visions of the future for their nation and the Empire. Yet neither approach is exclusive of the other. The brands could vote to at least consider what lengths the Navarr might go to to force the Empire to take the nation's concerns more seriously, and the wayhouse keepers work to build ties with the other nations. There is no "one true vision" of the future - only the question of which ambitions will be made real and which will fade like dew in the morning sun.		These two dreamspeakers are inspired by very different visions of the future for their nation and the Empire. Yet neither approach is exclusive of the other. The brands could vote to at least consider what lengths the Navarr might go to to force the Empire to take the nation's concerns more seriously, and the wayhouse keepers work to build ties with the other nations. There is no "one true vision" of the future - only the question of which ambitions will be made real and which will fade like dew in the morning sun.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[Miaren#Seren, City of Dreams\|Seren, City of Dreams]]		* [[Miaren#Seren, City of Dreams\|Seren, City of Dreams]]
	* [[Dreamspeaker]]		* [[Dreamspeaker]]