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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Conclave" to "[[Conclave"

2026-01-15T15:51:50Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Conclave" to "[[Conclave"

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	The Dumon's Hand are a secretive organisation - given that they face horrible execution if discovered this should come as no surprise. The Hand have established a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_drop dead drop]" of sorts that they have shared quietly with some Imperial contacts. Imperial citizens interested in communicating with the Dumon's Hand may do so via [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]] sent to an ''Evangeline Sirav'' who will ensure the message reaches the leadership of Dumon's Hand - or at least the leaders of one of the larger cells. How long she will remain able to do so in the face of opposition from the Suranni templars is impossible to predict.		The Dumon's Hand are a secretive organisation - given that they face horrible execution if discovered this should come as no surprise. The Hand have established a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_drop dead drop]" of sorts that they have shared quietly with some Imperial contacts. Imperial citizens interested in communicating with the Dumon's Hand may do so via [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]] sent to an ''Evangeline Sirav'' who will ensure the message reaches the leadership of Dumon's Hand - or at least the leaders of one of the larger cells. How long she will remain able to do so in the face of opposition from the Suranni templars is impossible to predict.

	According to recent communications, Dumon's Hand is still interested in receiving aid from the Empire. They have already proposed a deal involving [[Stranger friends#Free Yourselves\|securing access to Imperial rituals]] in return for mithril, but there seems to be little sign of interest in this exchange from the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave]].		According to recent communications, Dumon's Hand is still interested in receiving aid from the Empire. They have already proposed a deal involving [[Stranger friends#Free Yourselves\|securing access to Imperial rituals]] in return for mithril, but there seems to be little sign of interest in this exchange from the [[Conclave]].
	===A Pact of Rust (Reprise)===		===A Pact of Rust (Reprise)===
	* '''A [[ministry]] could be commissioned to allow Dumon's Hand to acquire [[liao]] in return for valuable Winter [[vis]].'''		* '''A [[ministry]] could be commissioned to allow Dumon's Hand to acquire [[liao]] in return for valuable Winter [[vis]].'''
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	The Empire could establish a [[ministry]] that would supply the rebel magicians with liao, in return for access to their significant reservoirs of Winter vis. The ministry would ideally be built somewhere in the south-western Empire, not too far from the Iron Confederacy. Previous suggestions it be built in southern [[Feroz]] or south-east [[Segura]] have been reconsidered given the new law and Suranni trade embargo. Now Dumon's Hand favours somewhere a little further away from the border - perhaps [[Kahraman]], [[Madruga]], [[Tassato]], [[Sarvos]], or even [[Casinea]] or [[Necropolis]]. The ministry’s function would be concealed from the Suranni as effectively as possible. It would most likely take the form of a small shrine, a nondescript inn or [[the Brass Coast economic interests\|paradour]], or a shop of some kind.		The Empire could establish a [[ministry]] that would supply the rebel magicians with liao, in return for access to their significant reservoirs of Winter vis. The ministry would ideally be built somewhere in the south-western Empire, not too far from the Iron Confederacy. Previous suggestions it be built in southern [[Feroz]] or south-east [[Segura]] have been reconsidered given the new law and Suranni trade embargo. Now Dumon's Hand favours somewhere a little further away from the border - perhaps [[Kahraman]], [[Madruga]], [[Tassato]], [[Sarvos]], or even [[Casinea]] or [[Necropolis]]. The ministry’s function would be concealed from the Suranni as effectively as possible. It would most likely take the form of a small shrine, a nondescript inn or [[the Brass Coast economic interests\|paradour]], or a shop of some kind.

	[[Commission\|Commissioning]] the ministry will require a [[Senate motion]] or [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave\|Imperial Wayleave]], or an announcement by the [[Arcane Architect]]. It would cost 8 wains of white granite, 8 wains of weirwood, and 32 crowns in labour costs. Construction would take three months. The ministry would create an [[Imperial title]], who would not only oversee the ministry and exchange liao for winter vis, but would also serve as a liaison to the Dumon's Hand when they need to speak to the Empire. The obvious [[New_Imperial_titles#Well_Worn_Paths\|well worn path]] for appointing this ministry would be a [[judgement]] or [[appointment]] from an appropriate [[assembly]] of the [[Synod]], or perhaps a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] from the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave]] depending on whether the ministry was seen to have a spiritual or magical emphasis.		[[Commission\|Commissioning]] the ministry will require a [[Senate motion]] or [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave\|Imperial Wayleave]], or an announcement by the [[Arcane Architect]]. It would cost 8 wains of white granite, 8 wains of weirwood, and 32 crowns in labour costs. Construction would take three months. The ministry would create an [[Imperial title]], who would not only oversee the ministry and exchange liao for winter vis, but would also serve as a liaison to the Dumon's Hand when they need to speak to the Empire. The obvious [[New_Imperial_titles#Well_Worn_Paths\|well worn path]] for appointing this ministry would be a [[judgement]] or [[appointment]] from an appropriate [[assembly]] of the [[Synod]], or perhaps a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] from the [[Conclave]] depending on whether the ministry was seen to have a spiritual or magical emphasis.

	The result would not only allow the exchange of liao for winter [[vis]], but would give the Dumon's Hand the support they desire in fighting the Suranni dukes and priests. Obviously it would risk a severe diplomatic incident if the Iron Confederacy discovered its existence but all appropriate steps would be taken to conceal it from the Suranni.		The result would not only allow the exchange of liao for winter [[vis]], but would give the Dumon's Hand the support they desire in fighting the Suranni dukes and priests. Obviously it would risk a severe diplomatic incident if the Iron Confederacy discovered its existence but all appropriate steps would be taken to conceal it from the Suranni.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

2026-01-15T12:43:55Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

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	The Empire could establish a [[ministry]] that would supply the rebel magicians with liao, in return for access to their significant reservoirs of Winter vis. The ministry would ideally be built somewhere in the south-western Empire, not too far from the Iron Confederacy. Previous suggestions it be built in southern [[Feroz]] or south-east [[Segura]] have been reconsidered given the new law and Suranni trade embargo. Now Dumon's Hand favours somewhere a little further away from the border - perhaps [[Kahraman]], [[Madruga]], [[Tassato]], [[Sarvos]], or even [[Casinea]] or [[Necropolis]]. The ministry’s function would be concealed from the Suranni as effectively as possible. It would most likely take the form of a small shrine, a nondescript inn or [[the Brass Coast economic interests\|paradour]], or a shop of some kind.		The Empire could establish a [[ministry]] that would supply the rebel magicians with liao, in return for access to their significant reservoirs of Winter vis. The ministry would ideally be built somewhere in the south-western Empire, not too far from the Iron Confederacy. Previous suggestions it be built in southern [[Feroz]] or south-east [[Segura]] have been reconsidered given the new law and Suranni trade embargo. Now Dumon's Hand favours somewhere a little further away from the border - perhaps [[Kahraman]], [[Madruga]], [[Tassato]], [[Sarvos]], or even [[Casinea]] or [[Necropolis]]. The ministry’s function would be concealed from the Suranni as effectively as possible. It would most likely take the form of a small shrine, a nondescript inn or [[the Brass Coast economic interests\|paradour]], or a shop of some kind.

	[[Commission\|Commissioning]] the ministry will require a [[Senate motion]] or [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave\|Imperial Wayleave]], or an announcement by the [[Arcane Architect]]. It would cost 8 wains of white granite, 8 wains of weirwood, and 32 crowns in labour costs. Construction would take three months. The ministry would create an [[Imperial title]], who would not only oversee the ministry and exchange liao for winter vis, but would also serve as a liaison to the Dumon's Hand when they need to speak to the Empire. The obvious [[New_Imperial_titles#Well_Worn_Paths\|well worn path]] for appointing this ministry would be a [[judgement]] or [[appointment]] from an appropriate [[assembly]] of the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]], or perhaps a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] from the [[Imperial Conclave]] depending on whether the ministry was seen to have a spiritual or magical emphasis.		[[Commission\|Commissioning]] the ministry will require a [[Senate motion]] or [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave\|Imperial Wayleave]], or an announcement by the [[Arcane Architect]]. It would cost 8 wains of white granite, 8 wains of weirwood, and 32 crowns in labour costs. Construction would take three months. The ministry would create an [[Imperial title]], who would not only oversee the ministry and exchange liao for winter vis, but would also serve as a liaison to the Dumon's Hand when they need to speak to the Empire. The obvious [[New_Imperial_titles#Well_Worn_Paths\|well worn path]] for appointing this ministry would be a [[judgement]] or [[appointment]] from an appropriate [[assembly]] of the [[Synod]], or perhaps a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] from the [[Imperial Conclave]] depending on whether the ministry was seen to have a spiritual or magical emphasis.

	The result would not only allow the exchange of liao for winter [[vis]], but would give the Dumon's Hand the support they desire in fighting the Suranni dukes and priests. Obviously it would risk a severe diplomatic incident if the Iron Confederacy discovered its existence but all appropriate steps would be taken to conceal it from the Suranni.		The result would not only allow the exchange of liao for winter [[vis]], but would give the Dumon's Hand the support they desire in fighting the Suranni dukes and priests. Obviously it would risk a severe diplomatic incident if the Iron Confederacy discovered its existence but all appropriate steps would be taken to conceal it from the Suranni.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

2026-01-15T12:43:30Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	During the Winter Solstice, the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] passed a law banning "''all sale and/or gifting of [[liao]] to the [[Iron Confederacy]] via ports or the Suranni-Imperial border, thus rendering any such trades being performed by Imperial citizens illegal.''" At the same time the [[Assembly of the Nine]] set the [[No_evil_shall_escape_our_sight#Resolution\|Silent Bell]] the task of investigation "''if anyone of the Empire is trading liao with the Iron Confederacy.''"		During the Winter Solstice, the [[Senate]] passed a law banning "''all sale and/or gifting of [[liao]] to the [[Iron Confederacy]] via ports or the Suranni-Imperial border, thus rendering any such trades being performed by Imperial citizens illegal.''" At the same time the [[Assembly of the Nine]] set the [[No_evil_shall_escape_our_sight#Resolution\|Silent Bell]] the task of investigation "''if anyone of the Empire is trading liao with the Iron Confederacy.''"

	Previous to this change to the law, it was not a crime to transport liao into the Iron Confederacy nor to give gifts of liao to Suranni individuals. Regardless of Imperial law, any merchant found transporting liao into the Iron Confederacy would have faced severe punishment from the Suranni templars. Now, all such trades are considered a crime by the Empire as well. However, thanks to its careful wording the law appears to still allow trade or gifting of liao to Suranni who are ''in the Empire''. What they choose to do with the liao after they have received it is their own business.		Previous to this change to the law, it was not a crime to transport liao into the Iron Confederacy nor to give gifts of liao to Suranni individuals. Regardless of Imperial law, any merchant found transporting liao into the Iron Confederacy would have faced severe punishment from the Suranni templars. Now, all such trades are considered a crime by the Empire as well. However, thanks to its careful wording the law appears to still allow trade or gifting of liao to Suranni who are ''in the Empire''. What they choose to do with the liao after they have received it is their own business.

Twiggy at 14:39, 18 September 2025

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	In Spring 382YE, the Imperial Synod [[382YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_71\|declared support]] for a Suranni rebel group known as the Dumon's Hand. The Hand are a secretive cabal of Suranni magicians, in a land where the practice of magic is both a crime and a blasphemy. They claim to be spiritual cousins to the Empire, recognising the virtues and using [[Religious skills\|liao ceremonies]] as part of their opposition to the government of the Iron Confederacy. With the institution of the new law, it seems they are concerned that they may be about to lose their access to the liao they desire.		In Spring 382YE, the Imperial Synod [[382YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_71\|declared support]] for a Suranni rebel group known as the Dumon's Hand. The Hand are a secretive cabal of Suranni magicians, in a land where the practice of magic is both a crime and a blasphemy. They claim to be spiritual cousins to the Empire, recognising the virtues and using [[Religious skills\|liao ceremonies]] as part of their opposition to the government of the Iron Confederacy. With the institution of the new law, it seems they are concerned that they may be about to lose their access to the liao they desire.
	<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Evangeline Sirav'' is a trusted agent of Dumon's Hand who lives in the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Bestel\|Bestel]], [[Bay_of_Catazar#Shavronne\|Shavronne]]. A [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] sent to her will be passed to the leaders of the organisation. \|align=right\|width=200}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Evangeline Sirav'' is a trusted agent of Dumon's Hand who lives in the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Bestel\|Bestel]], [[Bay_of_Catazar#Shavronne\|Shavronne]]. A [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] sent to her will be passed to the leaders of the organisation. \|align=right\|width=200}}</div>
	The Dumon's Hand are a secretive organisation - given that they face horrible execution if discovered this should come as no surprise. The Hand have established a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_drop dead drop]" of sorts that they have shared quietly with some Imperial contacts. Imperial citizens interested in communicating with the Dumon's Hand may do so via [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]] sent to an ''Evangeline Sirav'' who will ensure the message reaches the ~~leaderhip~~ of Dumon's Hand - or at least the leaders of one of the larger cells. How long she will remain able to do so in the face of opposition from the Suranni templars is impossible to predict.		The Dumon's Hand are a secretive organisation - given that they face horrible execution if discovered this should come as no surprise. The Hand have established a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_drop dead drop]" of sorts that they have shared quietly with some Imperial contacts. Imperial citizens interested in communicating with the Dumon's Hand may do so via [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]] sent to an ''Evangeline Sirav'' who will ensure the message reaches the leadership of Dumon's Hand - or at least the leaders of one of the larger cells. How long she will remain able to do so in the face of opposition from the Suranni templars is impossible to predict.

	According to recent communications, Dumon's Hand is still interested in receiving aid from the Empire. They have already proposed a deal involving [[Stranger friends#Free Yourselves\|securing access to Imperial rituals]] in return for mithril, but there seems to be little sign of interest in this exchange from the [[Imperial Conclave]].		According to recent communications, Dumon's Hand is still interested in receiving aid from the Empire. They have already proposed a deal involving [[Stranger friends#Free Yourselves\|securing access to Imperial rituals]] in return for mithril, but there seems to be little sign of interest in this exchange from the [[Imperial Conclave]].

Twiggy at 01:54, 18 July 2025

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	The Empire could establish a [[ministry]] that would supply the rebel magicians with liao, in return for access to their significant reservoirs of Winter vis. The ministry would ideally be built somewhere in the south-western Empire, not too far from the Iron Confederacy. Previous suggestions it be built in southern [[Feroz]] or south-east [[Segura]] have been reconsidered given the new law and Suranni trade embargo. Now Dumon's Hand favours somewhere a little further away from the border - perhaps [[Kahraman]], [[Madruga]], [[Tassato]], [[Sarvos]], or even [[Casinea]] or [[Necropolis]]. The ministry’s function would be concealed from the Suranni as effectively as possible. It would most likely take the form of a small shrine, a nondescript inn or [[the Brass Coast economic interests\|paradour]], or a shop of some kind.		The Empire could establish a [[ministry]] that would supply the rebel magicians with liao, in return for access to their significant reservoirs of Winter vis. The ministry would ideally be built somewhere in the south-western Empire, not too far from the Iron Confederacy. Previous suggestions it be built in southern [[Feroz]] or south-east [[Segura]] have been reconsidered given the new law and Suranni trade embargo. Now Dumon's Hand favours somewhere a little further away from the border - perhaps [[Kahraman]], [[Madruga]], [[Tassato]], [[Sarvos]], or even [[Casinea]] or [[Necropolis]]. The ministry’s function would be concealed from the Suranni as effectively as possible. It would most likely take the form of a small shrine, a nondescript inn or [[the Brass Coast economic interests\|paradour]], or a shop of some kind.

	[[Commission\|Commissioning]] the ministry will require a [[Senate motion]] or [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave\|Imperial Wayleave]], or an announcement by the [[Arcane Architect]]. It would cost 8 wains of white granite, 8 wains of weirwood, and 32 crowns in labour costs. Construction would take three months. The ministry would create an [[Imperial title]], who would not only oversee the ministry and exchange liao for winter vis, but would also serve as a ~~liason~~ to the Dumon's Hand when they need to speak to the Empire. The obvious [[New_Imperial_titles#Well_Worn_Paths\|well worn path]] for appointing this ministry would be a [[judgement]] or [[appointment]] from an appropriate [[assembly]] of the [[Imperial Synod]], or perhaps a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] from the [[Imperial Conclave]] depending on whether the ministry was seen to have a spiritual or magical emphasis.		[[Commission\|Commissioning]] the ministry will require a [[Senate motion]] or [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave\|Imperial Wayleave]], or an announcement by the [[Arcane Architect]]. It would cost 8 wains of white granite, 8 wains of weirwood, and 32 crowns in labour costs. Construction would take three months. The ministry would create an [[Imperial title]], who would not only oversee the ministry and exchange liao for winter vis, but would also serve as a liaison to the Dumon's Hand when they need to speak to the Empire. The obvious [[New_Imperial_titles#Well_Worn_Paths\|well worn path]] for appointing this ministry would be a [[judgement]] or [[appointment]] from an appropriate [[assembly]] of the [[Imperial Synod]], or perhaps a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] from the [[Imperial Conclave]] depending on whether the ministry was seen to have a spiritual or magical emphasis.

	The result would not only allow the exchange of liao for winter [[vis]], but would give the Dumon's Hand the support they desire in fighting the Suranni dukes and priests. Obviously it would risk a severe diplomatic incident if the Iron Confederacy discovered its existence but all appropriate steps would be taken to conceal it from the Suranni.		The result would not only allow the exchange of liao for winter [[vis]], but would give the Dumon's Hand the support they desire in fighting the Suranni dukes and priests. Obviously it would risk a severe diplomatic incident if the Iron Confederacy discovered its existence but all appropriate steps would be taken to conceal it from the Suranni.

Dre at 21:53, 13 May 2024

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	===Truth is Truth===		===Truth is Truth===
	* '''A small number of priests require no further evidence of the dangers presented by Dumon's Hand'''		* '''A small number of priests require no further evidence of the dangers presented by Dumon's Hand'''
	A small number of priests go further than Susanna of the Seventh Star. ~~Lead~~ by ''Mitra the Uncompromising'', an [[Urizen\|Urizeni]] [[Urizen_religious_beliefs#Illuminates\|illuminate]] with a reputation for cool pragmatism in religious matters, they require no further evidence that Dumon's Hand is dangerous. While they claim to be enemies of the Suranni dukes, that does not automatically make them friends of the Empire. Their claim that this "Dumon" is a paragon and the true source of [[liao]] is already sufficient grounds for condemning them as heretics. They admit that they openly use malign spiritual forces as weapons against their oppressors - which would be enough to see them executed were they Imperial citizens.		A small number of priests go further than Susanna of the Seventh Star. Led by ''Mitra the Uncompromising'', an [[Urizen\|Urizeni]] [[Urizen_religious_beliefs#Illuminates\|illuminate]] with a reputation for cool pragmatism in religious matters, they require no further evidence that Dumon's Hand is dangerous. While they claim to be enemies of the Suranni dukes, that does not automatically make them friends of the Empire. Their claim that this "Dumon" is a paragon and the true source of [[liao]] is already sufficient grounds for condemning them as heretics. They admit that they openly use malign spiritual forces as weapons against their oppressors - which would be enough to see them executed were they Imperial citizens.

	Mitra and her friends call for the General Assembly or the Assembly of Nine to [[Sanction#Condemnation\|condemn]] Dumon's Hand for their heresies, and urge the people of the Empire to shun them. Further, they say, Palladius of Urizen should be called to [[inquisition]] immediately and required to explain the reasoning behind vindicating a group of self-proclaimed heretics and blasphemers. They also suggest a statement of principle in the General Assembly that calls for the Empire to choose who it supports more carefully - that alliances with blasphemers and heretics may be pragmatic but that they demean the Empire. Mitra points specifically to the former alliances with [[Asavean Archipelago\|Asavea]] and [[Principalities of Jarm\|Jarm]] as compared to the virtuous alliances formed in the wake of the Liberty Pact.		Mitra and her friends call for the General Assembly or the Assembly of Nine to [[Sanction#Condemnation\|condemn]] Dumon's Hand for their heresies, and urge the people of the Empire to shun them. Further, they say, Palladius of Urizen should be called to [[inquisition]] immediately and required to explain the reasoning behind vindicating a group of self-proclaimed heretics and blasphemers. They also suggest a statement of principle in the General Assembly that calls for the Empire to choose who it supports more carefully - that alliances with blasphemers and heretics may be pragmatic but that they demean the Empire. Mitra points specifically to the former alliances with [[Asavean Archipelago\|Asavea]] and [[Principalities of Jarm\|Jarm]] as compared to the virtuous alliances formed in the wake of the Liberty Pact.

Rafferty: /* The Silent Bell */

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The Silent Bell

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	* '''The Silent Bell has discovered information about a smuggling route transporting liao from southern [[Feroz]] into the Suranni territory of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Kalino_.28or_.E2.80.9CArbonne.E2.80.9D.29\|Arbonne]].'''		* '''The Silent Bell has discovered information about a smuggling route transporting liao from southern [[Feroz]] into the Suranni territory of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Kalino_.28or_.E2.80.9CArbonne.E2.80.9D.29\|Arbonne]].'''
	* '''The Cardinal of Vigilance, Irada Von Temeschwar, will receive a full report.'''		* '''The Cardinal of Vigilance, Irada Von Temeschwar, will receive a full report.'''
	The [[~~No_evil_shall_escape_our_sight#Resolution~~\|Silent Bell]] report to the [[Cardinal]] of [[Vigilance]]. They have identified a smuggling route dedicated to transporting large amounts of liao across the border from [[Feroz]] into [[Bay_of_Catazar#Kalino_.28or_.E2.80.9CArbonne.E2.80.9D.29\|Arbonne]] - the rugged territory the Empire knows as Kalino. In return, the smugglers are bringing significant amounts of metal including silver, [[Materials#Green Iron\|green iron]], and even small amounts of [[mithril]] into the Empire from Suranni sources. Evidence suggests that this may be the main route whereby the liao causing so much diplomatic issue for Imperial/Suranni relations has been entering the Confederacy. At the very least it seems that it is the avenue that the allegedly [[Hard_times\|anarchist]] priests among the Suranni slave revolt secured their supply of liao.		The [[Silent Bell (Sodality)\|Silent Bell]] report to the [[Cardinal]] of [[Vigilance]]. They have identified a smuggling route dedicated to transporting large amounts of liao across the border from [[Feroz]] into [[Bay_of_Catazar#Kalino_.28or_.E2.80.9CArbonne.E2.80.9D.29\|Arbonne]] - the rugged territory the Empire knows as Kalino. In return, the smugglers are bringing significant amounts of metal including silver, [[Materials#Green Iron\|green iron]], and even small amounts of [[mithril]] into the Empire from Suranni sources. Evidence suggests that this may be the main route whereby the liao causing so much diplomatic issue for Imperial/Suranni relations has been entering the Confederacy. At the very least it seems that it is the avenue that the allegedly [[Hard_times\|anarchist]] priests among the Suranni slave revolt secured their supply of liao.

	The Silent Bell have not taken direct action against the smugglers. The rumour at Anvil is that they have identified a camp with a stockade, garrisoned by suspected criminals. They continue to flout the new laws, and are actively engaged in smuggling liao into the Confederacy. Anyone who wishes to know more should seek out the [[Cardinal]] of [[Vigilance]], '''Irada von Temeschwar'''.		The Silent Bell have not taken direct action against the smugglers. The rumour at Anvil is that they have identified a camp with a stockade, garrisoned by suspected criminals. They continue to flout the new laws, and are actively engaged in smuggling liao into the Confederacy. Anyone who wishes to know more should seek out the [[Cardinal]] of [[Vigilance]], '''Irada von Temeschwar'''.

Hailmur: /* Truth is Truth */

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Truth is Truth

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	===Truth is Truth===		===Truth is Truth===
	* '''A small number of priests require no ~~futher~~ evidence of the dangers presented by Dumon's Hand'''		* '''A small number of priests require no further evidence of the dangers presented by Dumon's Hand'''
	A small number of priests go further than Susanna of the Seventh Star. Lead by ''Mitra the Uncompromising'', an [[Urizen\|Urizeni]] [[Urizen_religious_beliefs#Illuminates\|illuminate]] with a reputation for cool pragmatism in religious matters, they require no further evidence that Dumon's Hand is dangerous. While they claim to be enemies of the Suranni dukes, that does not automatically make them friends of the Empire. Their claim that this "Dumon" is a paragon and the true source of [[liao]] is already sufficient grounds for condemning them as heretics. They admit that they openly use malign spiritual forces as weapons against their oppressors - which would be enough to see them executed were they Imperial citizens.		A small number of priests go further than Susanna of the Seventh Star. Lead by ''Mitra the Uncompromising'', an [[Urizen\|Urizeni]] [[Urizen_religious_beliefs#Illuminates\|illuminate]] with a reputation for cool pragmatism in religious matters, they require no further evidence that Dumon's Hand is dangerous. While they claim to be enemies of the Suranni dukes, that does not automatically make them friends of the Empire. Their claim that this "Dumon" is a paragon and the true source of [[liao]] is already sufficient grounds for condemning them as heretics. They admit that they openly use malign spiritual forces as weapons against their oppressors - which would be enough to see them executed were they Imperial citizens.

	Mitra and her friends call for the General Assembly or the Assembly of Nine to [[Sanction#Condemnation\|condemn]] Dumon's Hand for their heresies, and urge the people of the Empire to shun them. Further, they say, Palladius of Urizen should be called to [[inquisition]] immediately and required to explain the reasoning behind vindicating a group of self-proclaimed heretics and blasphemers. They also suggest a statement of principle in the General Assembly that calls for the Empire to choose who it supports more carefully - that alliances with blasphemers and heretics may be pragmatic but that they demean the Empire. Mitra points specifically to the former alliances with [[Asavean Archipelago\|Asavea]] and [[Principalities of Jarm\|Jarm]] as compared to the virtuous alliances formed in the wake of the Liberty Pact.		Mitra and her friends call for the General Assembly or the Assembly of Nine to [[Sanction#Condemnation\|condemn]] Dumon's Hand for their heresies, and urge the people of the Empire to shun them. Further, they say, Palladius of Urizen should be called to [[inquisition]] immediately and required to explain the reasoning behind vindicating a group of self-proclaimed heretics and blasphemers. They also suggest a statement of principle in the General Assembly that calls for the Empire to choose who it supports more carefully - that alliances with blasphemers and heretics may be pragmatic but that they demean the Empire. Mitra points specifically to the former alliances with [[Asavean Archipelago\|Asavea]] and [[Principalities of Jarm\|Jarm]] as compared to the virtuous alliances formed in the wake of the Liberty Pact.

	These same priests, however, still see the value of finding allies within the Iron Confederacy who are opposed to its unvirtuous ways. They suggest the [[General assembly]] or the [[assembly of the Nine]] should prioritise identifying abolitionist individuals and groups among the Suranni who are not themselves blasphemers - either secular forces or those open to the truth of doctrine and the Way. Perhaps the Silent Bell may be able to help, or perhaps Imperial citizens may already know of such groups operating in the Iron Confederacy and may be encouraged to come forward and speak of them if they believed they would receive Synod support.		These same priests, however, still see the value of finding allies within the Iron Confederacy who are opposed to its unvirtuous ways. They suggest the [[Assembly#General_Assembly\|General assembly]] or the [[assembly of the Nine]] should prioritise identifying abolitionist individuals and groups among the Suranni who are not themselves blasphemers - either secular forces or those open to the truth of doctrine and the Way. Perhaps the Silent Bell may be able to help, or perhaps Imperial citizens may already know of such groups operating in the Iron Confederacy and may be encouraged to come forward and speak of them if they believed they would receive Synod support.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[The_risk-all_point#Iron_Confederacy\|The risk-all point]] details other current issues with the Iron Confederacy including the recent [[The_risk-all_point#The_Border_Incident\|border incident]].		* [[The_risk-all_point#Iron_Confederacy\|The risk-all point]] details other current issues with the Iron Confederacy including the recent [[The_risk-all_point#The_Border_Incident\|border incident]].
	* [[Stranger friends]] is Summer 382YE Wind of Fortune introducing Dumon's Hand to the wider Empire.		* [[Stranger friends]] is Summer 382YE Wind of Fortune introducing Dumon's Hand to the wider Empire.

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	<ic>Karkovitch sighed. "The way they the law is written represents the Senates method of achieving the outcome they want. We have to respect that. Which means the law is narrow in its scope, I think."		<ic>Karkovitch sighed. "The way they the law is written represents the Senates method of achieving the outcome they want. We have to respect that. Which means the law is narrow in its scope, I think."

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	She points to the invitation presented to the [[Axos\|Axou]] by the [[Assembly of the Nine]] during the Summer Solstice 381YE as an example of how the statement might be worded ([[381YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements\|Judgement 79]]). While she understands that invitation was related to an opportunity presented via the [[Ambassador to Axos]], she is confident that if the statement were upheld with a [[greater majority]], and a message sent to their agent, the leaders of Dumon's Hand would have little reason to decline.		She points to the invitation presented to the [[Axos\|Axou]] by the [[Assembly of the Nine]] during the Summer Solstice 381YE as an example of how the statement might be worded ([[381YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements\|Judgement 79]]). While she understands that invitation was related to an opportunity presented via the [[Ambassador to Axos]], she is confident that if the statement were upheld with a [[greater majority]], and a message sent to their agent, the leaders of Dumon's Hand would have little reason to decline.

	The Highborn priest proposes that the [[General assembly]] raise a [[statement of principle]] calling for representatives of Dumon's Hand to come to the Empire after the Spring Equinox and share their spiritual understanding with the priests of the Way at a suitably neutral place. Ideally, she suggests, somewhere well away from the gaze of the Iron Confederacy where there would be no chance that Dumon's Hand representatives might endanger themselves. She suggests the [[Bastion#Bastion.2C_the_White_City\|White City]] itself, or perhaps the [[Reikos#Seminary_of_the_Swan\|Seminary of the Swan]] in [[Reikos]].		The Highborn priest proposes that the [[Assembly#General_Assembly\|General assembly]] raise a [[statement of principle]] calling for representatives of Dumon's Hand to come to the Empire after the Spring Equinox and share their spiritual understanding with the priests of the Way at a suitably neutral place. Ideally, she suggests, somewhere well away from the gaze of the Iron Confederacy where there would be no chance that Dumon's Hand representatives might endanger themselves. She suggests the [[Bastion#Bastion.2C_the_White_City\|White City]] itself, or perhaps the [[Reikos#Seminary_of_the_Swan\|Seminary of the Swan]] in [[Reikos]].
	<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Mitra the Uncompromising'' represents a group that opposes Dumon's Hand but supports finding less problematic allies among the Suranni. She may be contracted by a [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] can be sent to her at the ''Spire of Winter's Dawn'', in [[Morrow#Ravion\|Ravion]], [[Morrow]].\|align=right\|width=200}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Mitra the Uncompromising'' represents a group that opposes Dumon's Hand but supports finding less problematic allies among the Suranni. She may be contracted by a [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] can be sent to her at the ''Spire of Winter's Dawn'', in [[Morrow#Ravion\|Ravion]], [[Morrow]].\|align=right\|width=200}}</div>

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	In Spring 382YE, the Imperial Synod [[382YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_71\|declared support]] for a Suranni rebel group known as the Dumon's Hand. The Hand are a secretive cabal of Suranni magicians, in a land where the practice of magic is both a crime and a blasphemy. They claim to be spiritual cousins to the Empire, recognising the virtues and using [[Religious skills\|liao ceremonies]] as part of their opposition to the government of the Iron Confederacy. With the institution of the new law, it seems they are concerned that they may be about to lose their access to the liao they desire.		In Spring 382YE, the Imperial Synod [[382YE_Spring_Equinox_Synod_judgements#Judgement_71\|declared support]] for a Suranni rebel group known as the Dumon's Hand. The Hand are a secretive cabal of Suranni magicians, in a land where the practice of magic is both a crime and a blasphemy. They claim to be spiritual cousins to the Empire, recognising the virtues and using [[Religious skills\|liao ceremonies]] as part of their opposition to the government of the Iron Confederacy. With the institution of the new law, it seems they are concerned that they may be about to lose their access to the liao they desire.
	<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Evangeline Sirav'' is a trusted agent of Dumon's Hand who lives in the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Bestel\|Bestel]], [[Bay_of_Catazar#Shavronne\|Shavronne]]. A [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] sent to her will be passed to the leaders of the organisation. \|align=right\|width=200}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Evangeline Sirav'' is a trusted agent of Dumon's Hand who lives in the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Bestel\|Bestel]], [[Bay_of_Catazar#Shavronne\|Shavronne]]. A [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] sent to her will be passed to the leaders of the organisation. \|align=right\|width=200}}</div>
	The Dumon's Hand are a secretive organisation - given that they face horrible execution if discovered this should come as no surprise. The Hand have established a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_drop dead drop]" of sorts that they have shared quietly with some Imperial contacts. Imperial citizens interested in communicating with the Dumon's Hand may do so via [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]] sent to an ''Evangeline Sirav'' who will ensure the message reaches the ~~leaderhip~~ of Dumon's Hand - or at least the leaders of one of the larger cells. How long she will remain able to do so in the face of opposition from the Suranni templars is impossible to predict.		The Dumon's Hand are a secretive organisation - given that they face horrible execution if discovered this should come as no surprise. The Hand have established a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_drop dead drop]" of sorts that they have shared quietly with some Imperial contacts. Imperial citizens interested in communicating with the Dumon's Hand may do so via [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged messenger]] sent to an ''Evangeline Sirav'' who will ensure the message reaches the leadership of Dumon's Hand - or at least the leaders of one of the larger cells. How long she will remain able to do so in the face of opposition from the Suranni templars is impossible to predict.

	According to recent communications, Dumon's Hand is still interested in receiving aid from the Empire. They have already proposed a deal involving [[Stranger friends#Free Yourselves\|securing access to Imperial rituals]] in return for mithril, but there seems to be little sign of interest in this exchange from the [[Imperial Conclave]].		According to recent communications, Dumon's Hand is still interested in receiving aid from the Empire. They have already proposed a deal involving [[Stranger friends#Free Yourselves\|securing access to Imperial rituals]] in return for mithril, but there seems to be little sign of interest in this exchange from the [[Imperial Conclave]].

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	She points to the invitation presented to the [[Axos\|Axou]] by the [[Assembly of the Nine]] during the Summer Solstice 381YE as an example of how the statement might be worded ([[381YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements\|Judgement 79]]). While she understands that invitation was related to an opportunity presented via the [[Ambassador to Axos]], she is confident that if the statement were upheld with a [[greater majority]], and a message sent to their agent, the leaders of Dumon's Hand would have little reason to decline.		She points to the invitation presented to the [[Axos\|Axou]] by the [[Assembly of the Nine]] during the Summer Solstice 381YE as an example of how the statement might be worded ([[381YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements\|Judgement 79]]). While she understands that invitation was related to an opportunity presented via the [[Ambassador to Axos]], she is confident that if the statement were upheld with a [[greater majority]], and a message sent to their agent, the leaders of Dumon's Hand would have little reason to decline.

	The Highborn priest proposes that the [[General assembly]] raise a [[statement of principle]] calling for representatives of Dumon's Hand to come to the Empire after the Spring Equinox and share their spiritual understanding with the priests of the Way at a suitably neutral place. Ideally, she suggests, somewhere well away from the gaze of the Iron Confederacy where there would be no chance that Dumon's Hand representatives might endanger themselves. She suggests the [[Bastion#Bastion.2C_the_White_City\|White City]] itself, or perhaps the [[Reikos#Seminary_of_the_Swan\|Seminary of the Swan]] in [[Reikos]].		The Highborn priest proposes that the [[Assembly#General_Assembly\|General assembly]] raise a [[statement of principle]] calling for representatives of Dumon's Hand to come to the Empire after the Spring Equinox and share their spiritual understanding with the priests of the Way at a suitably neutral place. Ideally, she suggests, somewhere well away from the gaze of the Iron Confederacy where there would be no chance that Dumon's Hand representatives might endanger themselves. She suggests the [[Bastion#Bastion.2C_the_White_City\|White City]] itself, or perhaps the [[Reikos#Seminary_of_the_Swan\|Seminary of the Swan]] in [[Reikos]].
	<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Mitra the Uncompromising'' represents a group that opposes Dumon's Hand but supports finding less problematic allies among the Suranni. She may be contracted by a [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] can be sent to her at the ''Spire of Winter's Dawn'', in [[Morrow#Ravion\|Ravion]], [[Morrow]].\|align=right\|width=200}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 225px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=WingedMessenger.png\|caption=''Mitra the Uncompromising'' represents a group that opposes Dumon's Hand but supports finding less problematic allies among the Suranni. She may be contracted by a [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] can be sent to her at the ''Spire of Winter's Dawn'', in [[Morrow#Ravion\|Ravion]], [[Morrow]].\|align=right\|width=200}}</div>