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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Conclave" to "[[Conclave"

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Text replacement - "[[Imperial Conclave" to "[[Conclave"

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	At the moment, the Wunderkind Woods are being "looked after" by ''Sofia Rebeshi van Holmauer''. She and her troupe, the Rebeshi Players, have arranged for a small patrol to keep the public safe, and are benefiting from the Winter [[vis]] that forms in the park. They will be very sad to see it go, but accept the desire to restore the Park to its former glory. However, they too have a proposal for the Senate, after consultation with the Wise. They are capable of performing the ''Wind of Mundane Silence'', and are quite prepared to do so. All they ask in return is that they be given custody of all the lumber created when the Blood Orchard is cleared. It is their opinion that the wood will be ideal for producing magical staves and foci associated with [[Winter magic]]. They are prepared to provide the mana themselves - it seems only fair given they expect to harvest a bounty of the oozing red sap from the trees when they are cut down - and will go further. If they are invited to claim the wood and asked to perform the ritual, they will provide three foci made from the "cursed winter wood" to the Imperial Conclave to dispose of with the [[declaration]] of [[Endowment]] as they see fit.		At the moment, the Wunderkind Woods are being "looked after" by ''Sofia Rebeshi van Holmauer''. She and her troupe, the Rebeshi Players, have arranged for a small patrol to keep the public safe, and are benefiting from the Winter [[vis]] that forms in the park. They will be very sad to see it go, but accept the desire to restore the Park to its former glory. However, they too have a proposal for the Senate, after consultation with the Wise. They are capable of performing the ''Wind of Mundane Silence'', and are quite prepared to do so. All they ask in return is that they be given custody of all the lumber created when the Blood Orchard is cleared. It is their opinion that the wood will be ideal for producing magical staves and foci associated with [[Winter magic]]. They are prepared to provide the mana themselves - it seems only fair given they expect to harvest a bounty of the oozing red sap from the trees when they are cut down - and will go further. If they are invited to claim the wood and asked to perform the ritual, they will provide three foci made from the "cursed winter wood" to the Imperial Conclave to dispose of with the [[declaration]] of [[Endowment]] as they see fit.
	<div style="float:right; width: 350px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=ThriceCursed.jpg\|caption=For all that they are allies, [[Tharim]] seems to have little actual affection for his fellow members of [[the Thrice-cursed Court]].\|align=right\|width=350}}		<div style="float:right; width: 350px; clear: right;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=ThriceCursed.jpg\|caption=For all that they are allies, [[Tharim]] seems to have little actual affection for his fellow members of [[the Thrice-cursed Court]].\|align=right\|width=350}}
	{{CaptionedImage\|file=YlenrithArt.jpg\|caption=''[[Ylenrith\|The Swan]]'' currently has the [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave]], but there is no doubt that purifying something which has been corrupted is entirely within her area of expertise.\|align=right\|width=350}}</div>		{{CaptionedImage\|file=YlenrithArt.jpg\|caption=''[[Ylenrith\|The Swan]]'' currently has the [[Amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the [[Conclave]], but there is no doubt that purifying something which has been corrupted is entirely within her area of expertise.\|align=right\|width=350}}</div>
	Some of the Wise worry that the wood of the trees in the park is horribly tainted and will provide only cursed magic items - it should be burnt along with all the other vegetation. ''Sofia Rebeshi van Holmauer'' appears broadly unconcerned.		Some of the Wise worry that the wood of the trees in the park is horribly tainted and will provide only cursed magic items - it should be burnt along with all the other vegetation. ''Sofia Rebeshi van Holmauer'' appears broadly unconcerned.

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	Sofia Rebeshi and the Rebeshi Players are prepared to continue looking after the woods, and processing the blood. All that would be required would be a [[Senate motion]] recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a minor investment of funds to "get the ball rolling". This would create the ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' [[Imperial title]] that would liaise with the Rebeshi Players, and in return be able to purchase the valuable Winter ''vis'' at a reasonable price. They would be responsible for liaising with the Rebeshi Players, protecting the Wunderkind Woods, and protecting the people of Holmauer ''from'' the Wunderkind Woods should that become necessary.		Sofia Rebeshi and the Rebeshi Players are prepared to continue looking after the woods, and processing the blood. All that would be required would be a [[Senate motion]] recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a minor investment of funds to "get the ball rolling". This would create the ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' [[Imperial title]] that would liaise with the Rebeshi Players, and in return be able to purchase the valuable Winter ''vis'' at a reasonable price. They would be responsible for liaising with the Rebeshi Players, protecting the Wunderkind Woods, and protecting the people of Holmauer ''from'' the Wunderkind Woods should that become necessary.

	The civil service have suggested that the most appropriate election path for the title would be through either the [[Bourse]] or the [[Senate]], as a national position of the League. Alternatively, it could theoretically be appointed with a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] in the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave]], but that would mean that candidates of any nation would vie for the title which might not sit well with the magicians of Holberg - although by itself it would not dissuade the Rebeshi Players from helping contain and protect the woodlands.		The civil service have suggested that the most appropriate election path for the title would be through either the [[Bourse]] or the [[Senate]], as a national position of the League. Alternatively, it could theoretically be appointed with a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] in the [[Conclave]], but that would mean that candidates of any nation would vie for the title which might not sit well with the magicians of Holberg - although by itself it would not dissuade the Rebeshi Players from helping contain and protect the woodlands.

	As the eternal [[Skathe]] is still considered an [[Amity_and_enmity\|enemy of the Empire]], the ritual [[Tribute to the Thrice-Cursed Court]] (the main source of Heart's Blood for Imperial magicians) is prohibited, Sofia believes this means there will surely be plenty of magicians prepared to pay a pretty penny to secure a new supply.		As the eternal [[Skathe]] is still considered an [[Amity_and_enmity\|enemy of the Empire]], the ritual [[Tribute to the Thrice-Cursed Court]] (the main source of Heart's Blood for Imperial magicians) is prohibited, Sofia believes this means there will surely be plenty of magicians prepared to pay a pretty penny to secure a new supply.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Bourse" to "[[Bourse"

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Text replacement - "[[Imperial Bourse" to "[[Bourse"

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	Sofia Rebeshi and the Rebeshi Players are prepared to continue looking after the woods, and processing the blood. All that would be required would be a [[Senate motion]] recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a minor investment of funds to "get the ball rolling". This would create the ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' [[Imperial title]] that would liaise with the Rebeshi Players, and in return be able to purchase the valuable Winter ''vis'' at a reasonable price. They would be responsible for liaising with the Rebeshi Players, protecting the Wunderkind Woods, and protecting the people of Holmauer ''from'' the Wunderkind Woods should that become necessary.		Sofia Rebeshi and the Rebeshi Players are prepared to continue looking after the woods, and processing the blood. All that would be required would be a [[Senate motion]] recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a minor investment of funds to "get the ball rolling". This would create the ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' [[Imperial title]] that would liaise with the Rebeshi Players, and in return be able to purchase the valuable Winter ''vis'' at a reasonable price. They would be responsible for liaising with the Rebeshi Players, protecting the Wunderkind Woods, and protecting the people of Holmauer ''from'' the Wunderkind Woods should that become necessary.

	The civil service have suggested that the most appropriate election path for the title would be through either the [[~~Imperial~~ Bourse]] or the [[Senate]], as a national position of the League. Alternatively, it could theoretically be appointed with a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] in the [[Imperial Conclave]], but that would mean that candidates of any nation would vie for the title which might not sit well with the magicians of Holberg - although by itself it would not dissuade the Rebeshi Players from helping contain and protect the woodlands.		The civil service have suggested that the most appropriate election path for the title would be through either the [[Bourse]] or the [[Senate]], as a national position of the League. Alternatively, it could theoretically be appointed with a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] in the [[Imperial Conclave]], but that would mean that candidates of any nation would vie for the title which might not sit well with the magicians of Holberg - although by itself it would not dissuade the Rebeshi Players from helping contain and protect the woodlands.

	As the eternal [[Skathe]] is still considered an [[Amity_and_enmity\|enemy of the Empire]], the ritual [[Tribute to the Thrice-Cursed Court]] (the main source of Heart's Blood for Imperial magicians) is prohibited, Sofia believes this means there will surely be plenty of magicians prepared to pay a pretty penny to secure a new supply.		As the eternal [[Skathe]] is still considered an [[Amity_and_enmity\|enemy of the Empire]], the ritual [[Tribute to the Thrice-Cursed Court]] (the main source of Heart's Blood for Imperial magicians) is prohibited, Sofia believes this means there will surely be plenty of magicians prepared to pay a pretty penny to secure a new supply.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

2026-01-15T12:42:59Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Senate" to "[[Senate"

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	Sofia Rebeshi and the Rebeshi Players are prepared to continue looking after the woods, and processing the blood. All that would be required would be a [[Senate motion]] recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a minor investment of funds to "get the ball rolling". This would create the ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' [[Imperial title]] that would liaise with the Rebeshi Players, and in return be able to purchase the valuable Winter ''vis'' at a reasonable price. They would be responsible for liaising with the Rebeshi Players, protecting the Wunderkind Woods, and protecting the people of Holmauer ''from'' the Wunderkind Woods should that become necessary.		Sofia Rebeshi and the Rebeshi Players are prepared to continue looking after the woods, and processing the blood. All that would be required would be a [[Senate motion]] recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a minor investment of funds to "get the ball rolling". This would create the ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' [[Imperial title]] that would liaise with the Rebeshi Players, and in return be able to purchase the valuable Winter ''vis'' at a reasonable price. They would be responsible for liaising with the Rebeshi Players, protecting the Wunderkind Woods, and protecting the people of Holmauer ''from'' the Wunderkind Woods should that become necessary.

	The civil service have suggested that the most appropriate election path for the title would be through either the [[Imperial Bourse]] or the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]], as a national position of the League. Alternatively, it could theoretically be appointed with a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] in the [[Imperial Conclave]], but that would mean that candidates of any nation would vie for the title which might not sit well with the magicians of Holberg - although by itself it would not dissuade the Rebeshi Players from helping contain and protect the woodlands.		The civil service have suggested that the most appropriate election path for the title would be through either the [[Imperial Bourse]] or the [[Senate]], as a national position of the League. Alternatively, it could theoretically be appointed with a [[declaration]] of [[candidacy]] in the [[Imperial Conclave]], but that would mean that candidates of any nation would vie for the title which might not sit well with the magicians of Holberg - although by itself it would not dissuade the Rebeshi Players from helping contain and protect the woodlands.

	As the eternal [[Skathe]] is still considered an [[Amity_and_enmity\|enemy of the Empire]], the ritual [[Tribute to the Thrice-Cursed Court]] (the main source of Heart's Blood for Imperial magicians) is prohibited, Sofia believes this means there will surely be plenty of magicians prepared to pay a pretty penny to secure a new supply.		As the eternal [[Skathe]] is still considered an [[Amity_and_enmity\|enemy of the Empire]], the ritual [[Tribute to the Thrice-Cursed Court]] (the main source of Heart's Blood for Imperial magicians) is prohibited, Sofia believes this means there will surely be plenty of magicians prepared to pay a pretty penny to secure a new supply.
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	==Reclamation, Acceptance, Time==		==Reclamation, Acceptance, Time==
	Obviously, one cannot both [[#Rip_It_Up_and_Start_Again\|reclaim the cursed park]] and [[Dear_green_space#Let_It_Lie\|accept the changes]], meaning that the two sets of projects are mutually exclusive. Both sets of projects remain available until the situation dramatically changes in some fashion. If mutually exclusive commissions were undertaken - perhaps due to the actions of a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] - neither project would be able to progress until the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] had resolved the conflict.		Obviously, one cannot both [[#Rip_It_Up_and_Start_Again\|reclaim the cursed park]] and [[Dear_green_space#Let_It_Lie\|accept the changes]], meaning that the two sets of projects are mutually exclusive. Both sets of projects remain available until the situation dramatically changes in some fashion. If mutually exclusive commissions were undertaken - perhaps due to the actions of a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] - neither project would be able to progress until the [[Senate]] had resolved the conflict.

	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==

Twiggy at 15:45, 10 October 2025

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Twiggy at 21:14, 12 August 2025

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	<tr><td>* '''Alternative Appointment:''' Imperial; Conclave appointment</td></tr>		<tr><td>* '''Alternative Appointment:''' Imperial; Conclave appointment</td></tr>
	<tr><td>* '''Powers:'''Trade Opportunities (Vis and Magic Item Ministries)</td></tr>		<tr><td>* '''Powers:'''Trade Opportunities (Vis and Magic Item Ministries)</td></tr>
	<tr><td>* '''Responsibilities:''' ~~Liase~~ with the Rebeshi Players, protect Wunderkind Woods, protect people ''from'' Wunderkind Woods</td></tr></table>		<tr><td>* '''Responsibilities:''' Liaise with the Rebeshi Players, protect Wunderkind Woods, protect people ''from'' Wunderkind Woods</td></tr></table>
	<table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"><tr><td style="background-color: LightGreen;">'''Blood Red Blood'''</td><td style="background-color: LightGreen;"></td></tr>		<table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"><tr><td style="background-color: LightGreen;">'''Blood Red Blood'''</td><td style="background-color: LightGreen;"></td></tr>
	<tr><td>105 rings</td><td>3 Winter vis</td></tr>		<tr><td>105 rings</td><td>3 Winter vis</td></tr>

Novemberalice at 18:48, 3 September 2022

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	He laid his head on Chiara's shoulder, and she slipped her arm around his waist. They stood together on the edge of the lake, drinking in that celestial splendour until well after the distant clocks of Holfried had rung out their dull reminder that it was midnight.</ic>		He laid his head on Chiara's shoulder, and she slipped her arm around his waist. They stood together on the edge of the lake, drinking in that celestial splendour until well after the distant clocks of Holfried had rung out their dull reminder that it was midnight.</ic>
	{{CaptionedImage\|file=Holberg Great Park Redux.png\|caption=The park is a twisted mockery of its former glory.\|align=left\|width=600}}		{{CaptionedImage\|file=Holberg Great Park Redux.png\|caption=The park is a twisted mockery of its former glory.\|align=left\|width=600}}
			{{Audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxlX-Ye4SSQ}}
	==Overview==		==Overview==
	During the Summer Solstice, Hembeneth i Guerra of the Brass Coast, [[Cardinal]] of [[Wisdom]], called on the virtuous to find a practical solution to the problem of [[Holberg#Holmauer_Park\|Holmauer Park]] in Holberg. The beautiful park was cursed during the Summer Solstice 383YE; at the same time the mirrors of Sarvos were shattering a [[In_the_garden_of_defiance\|terrible corruption]] fell upon Holmauer. Only the [[Keeper_of_the_Imperial_Menagerie#Imperial_Menagerie\|Imperial Menagerie]] and the Marcher Memorial Garden were spared. The waters were fouled, and everything in the park twisted and warped by the power of the Hag Queen [[Skathe]]. There have been a few attempts to deal with or at least benefit from the warping of the park, but now the Cardinal has asked the Wisest minds in Holberg and the Empire to turn their attention to the situation.		During the Summer Solstice, Hembeneth i Guerra of the Brass Coast, [[Cardinal]] of [[Wisdom]], called on the virtuous to find a practical solution to the problem of [[Holberg#Holmauer_Park\|Holmauer Park]] in Holberg. The beautiful park was cursed during the Summer Solstice 383YE; at the same time the mirrors of Sarvos were shattering a [[In_the_garden_of_defiance\|terrible corruption]] fell upon Holmauer. Only the [[Keeper_of_the_Imperial_Menagerie#Imperial_Menagerie\|Imperial Menagerie]] and the Marcher Memorial Garden were spared. The waters were fouled, and everything in the park twisted and warped by the power of the Hag Queen [[Skathe]]. There have been a few attempts to deal with or at least benefit from the warping of the park, but now the Cardinal has asked the Wisest minds in Holberg and the Empire to turn their attention to the situation.

Cyph: /* Let It Lie */ spellings

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Let It Lie: spellings

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	* '''The Imperial Title ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' would be created allowing the purchase of vis and magic items at reasonable prices'''		* '''The Imperial Title ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' would be created allowing the purchase of vis and magic items at reasonable prices'''

	While Sofia Rebeshi seems resigned to the park being ~~remodeled~~, that has not prevented her meeting with several of the Wise, and putting forward an alternative suggestion. "''We could just accept we have a cursed park in Holberg,''" she says. "''None of the ''other'' League cities have a cursed park after all.''" Rather than expend a great deal of money, time, and resources, she proposes that her fellow burghers simply live with it, and make the most of the Park's new qualities. Exploring her suggestion, the pilgrims who have come to examine the park have come up with two proposals - one old and one new.		While Sofia Rebeshi seems resigned to the park being remodelled, that has not prevented her meeting with several of the Wise, and putting forward an alternative suggestion. "''We could just accept we have a cursed park in Holberg,''" she says. "''None of the ''other'' League cities have a cursed park after all.''" Rather than expend a great deal of money, time, and resources, she proposes that her fellow burghers simply live with it, and make the most of the Park's new qualities. Exploring her suggestion, the pilgrims who have come to examine the park have come up with two proposals - one old and one new.
	===Blood Orchard===		===Blood Orchard===
	<div style="width: 500px; float: right; clear: right; margin-left:10px;">		<div style="width: 500px; float: right; clear: right; margin-left:10px;">

Cathtice: /* Reclamation, Acceptance, Time */

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Reclamation, Acceptance, Time

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	"''And the best bit,''" says Sofia Rebeshi when she hears of the proposal, "''is that the lovely pavilion will continue to inspire visitors.''"		"''And the best bit,''" says Sofia Rebeshi when she hears of the proposal, "''is that the lovely pavilion will continue to inspire visitors.''"

	==~~Reclaimation~~, Acceptance, Time==		==Reclamation, Acceptance, Time==
	Obviously, one cannot both [[#Rip_It_Up_and_Start_Again\|reclaim the cursed park]] and [[Dear_green_space#Let_It_Lie\|accept the changes]], meaning that the two sets of projects are mutually exclusive. Both sets of projects remain available until the situation dramatically changes in some fashion. If mutually exclusive commissions were undertaken - perhaps due to the actions of a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] - neither project would be able to progress until the [[Imperial Senate]] had resolved the conflict.		Obviously, one cannot both [[#Rip_It_Up_and_Start_Again\|reclaim the cursed park]] and [[Dear_green_space#Let_It_Lie\|accept the changes]], meaning that the two sets of projects are mutually exclusive. Both sets of projects remain available until the situation dramatically changes in some fashion. If mutually exclusive commissions were undertaken - perhaps due to the actions of a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] - neither project would be able to progress until the [[Imperial Senate]] had resolved the conflict.

Cathtice: /* Let It Lie */

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Let It Lie

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	==Let It Lie==		==Let It Lie==
	* '''Instead of remodelling the park, the people of Holberg could embrace ~~it's~~ new situation'''		* '''Instead of remodelling the park, the people of Holberg could embrace its new situation'''
	* '''Securing the Wunderkind Woods requires a Senate motion recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a payment of 32 Crowns for supplies, and would take three months'''		* '''Securing the Wunderkind Woods requires a Senate motion recognising the Rebeshi Players as guardians of the wood, and a payment of 32 Crowns for supplies, and would take three months'''
	* '''The Imperial Title ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' would be created allowing the purchase of vis and magic items at reasonable prices'''		* '''The Imperial Title ''Tender of the Blood Orchard'' would be created allowing the purchase of vis and magic items at reasonable prices'''

Cathtice: /* The Problem of the Pavilion */

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The Problem of the Pavilion

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	There is one other school of thought among the Wise, and it revolves around those who have been especially moved by a visit to the [[In_the_garden_of_defiance#Pavilion_on_the_Lake\|Pavilion on the Lake]]. When the Park was cursed, a powerful inspirational [[aura]] spontaneously manifested there. Study suggests it might have been a manifestation of the defiance of the people of Holberg - a refusal to allow the curse to break their morale or bow their spirits. It is currently a popular place of pilgrimage.		There is one other school of thought among the Wise, and it revolves around those who have been especially moved by a visit to the [[In_the_garden_of_defiance#Pavilion_on_the_Lake\|Pavilion on the Lake]]. When the Park was cursed, a powerful inspirational [[aura]] spontaneously manifested there. Study suggests it might have been a manifestation of the defiance of the people of Holberg - a refusal to allow the curse to break their morale or bow their spirits. It is currently a popular place of pilgrimage.

	Unfortunately, the Wise believe that the aura is tied inexorably to the curse. If the Park is cleansed, and restored, they say, the spiritual aura will fade. Careful and thorough [[insight]] supports this assertion. If the aura fades, then the pilgrims coming here to consider who they are and where they are going will dwindle, and eventually cease. People will still visit the park, but they will do so to ~~lax~~ and take in its beauty - just as they did before the curse descended. Once the aura is gone, the [[Patron of the Pavilion]] would lose their [[Patron_of_the_Pavilion#Bounty_of_Liao\|bounty of liao]] and [[Patron_of_the_Pavilion#Voice_in_the_Synod\|voice in the synod]].		Unfortunately, the Wise believe that the aura is tied inexorably to the curse. If the Park is cleansed, and restored, they say, the spiritual aura will fade. Careful and thorough [[insight]] supports this assertion. If the aura fades, then the pilgrims coming here to consider who they are and where they are going will dwindle, and eventually cease. People will still visit the park, but they will do so to relax and take in its beauty - just as they did before the curse descended. Once the aura is gone, the [[Patron of the Pavilion]] would lose their [[Patron_of_the_Pavilion#Bounty_of_Liao\|bounty of liao]] and [[Patron_of_the_Pavilion#Voice_in_the_Synod\|voice in the synod]].

	A dose of true liao ''might'' be used to [[consecration\|consecrate]] the pavilion. The aura would still be inspirational, although in a different way. The Wise believe that if this is done, then the place would remain a site of pilgrimage - although the number of pilgrims would be greatly reduced and most would actually be in Holberg to see the [[Watches_from_the_Wall#The_Gallery_and_the_Gate\|Gate and the Gallery]] rather than the Pavilion. The Patron of the Pavilion would be left with 10 votes in the Synod and 5 doses of liao each season. The advantage is that this does not require any Senate involvement. A [[statement of principle]] in the League assembly would be enough to set the process in motion once the aura collapses entirely, provided the True Liao were provided.		A dose of true liao ''might'' be used to [[consecration\|consecrate]] the pavilion. The aura would still be inspirational, although in a different way. The Wise believe that if this is done, then the place would remain a site of pilgrimage - although the number of pilgrims would be greatly reduced and most would actually be in Holberg to see the [[Watches_from_the_Wall#The_Gallery_and_the_Gate\|Gate and the Gallery]] rather than the Pavilion. The Patron of the Pavilion would be left with 10 votes in the Synod and 5 doses of liao each season. The advantage is that this does not require any Senate involvement. A [[statement of principle]] in the League assembly would be enough to set the process in motion once the aura collapses entirely, provided the True Liao were provided.

	Regardless of what is or is not done, there is no way to save the Pavilion's special spiritual aura of the curse is removed.		Regardless of what is or is not done, there is no way to save the Pavilion's special spiritual aura if the curse is removed.

	==Let It Lie==		==Let It Lie==

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	As a consequence of the Cardinal's words, dozens of Wise pilgrims have descended on Holberg from all nations of the Empire, despite the supernatural storms battering the Empire this season. Working closely with the innovators and problem-solvers of Holberg, they have also taken the opportunity to visit the [[Watches from the Wall\|miraculously blessed Holmauer Gate, and visited the consecrated gallery above it]]. Putting their heads together they have considered the problem of the cursed park from every angle, and come up with some practical solutions to the problem.		As a consequence of the Cardinal's words, dozens of Wise pilgrims have descended on Holberg from all nations of the Empire, despite the supernatural storms battering the Empire this season. Working closely with the innovators and problem-solvers of Holberg, they have also taken the opportunity to visit the [[Watches from the Wall\|miraculously blessed Holmauer Gate, and visited the consecrated gallery above it]]. Putting their heads together they have considered the problem of the cursed park from every angle, and come up with some practical solutions to the problem.
	{{SOP\|statement=I call upon the people of Holberg and followers of wisdom throughout the Empire to focus their wisdom. I send Hembeneth I guerra with 25 doses of liao to urge the faithful to find a practical solution to the ravages caused by the curse placed by Skathe on Holmauer Park.\|by=Hembeneth i Guerra, Wisdom Assembly\|vote=Upheld 304-0\|when=Summer Solstice 384YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=I call upon the people of Holberg and followers of wisdom throughout the Empire to focus their wisdom. I send Hembeneth i guerra with 25 doses of liao to urge the faithful to find a practical solution to the ravages caused by the curse placed by Skathe on Holmauer Park.\|by=Hembeneth i Guerra, Wisdom Assembly\|vote=Upheld 304-0\|when=Summer Solstice 384YE}}
	==Rip It Up and Start Again==		==Rip It Up and Start Again==
	* '''Removing the curse from Holmauer Park will require that every piece of vegetation, and every warped sculpture, be removed and destroyed'''		* '''Removing the curse from Holmauer Park will require that every piece of vegetation, and every warped sculpture, be removed and destroyed'''
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	* '''The "price" is that the orchard and memorial to General Flowers will also be destroyed'''		* '''The "price" is that the orchard and memorial to General Flowers will also be destroyed'''
	* '''There is a suggestion the eternal Ylenrith might also be able to help - but she is currently the subject of enmity'''		* '''There is a suggestion the eternal Ylenrith might also be able to help - but she is currently the subject of enmity'''
	Tearing everything down is the most practical solution to the park. The [[magister]] ''Rebecca of Haroswatch'', one of the Wise who came to Holberg, has an alternative suggestion. The Hag Queen is part of the Thrice-Cursed Court, but there is no indication that the Court ''like'' one another. Currently she is under [[amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave - and rightly so. The Bound King Tharim however, enjoys the [[amity and enmity#amity\|amity]] of the Conclave. In the past there are plenty of stories of one or other of the court working against the interests of the other. Some of her chapter have already made enquiries at the [[Hunters_and_wolves#In_the_Copse_of_the_Bone_Birch\|Copse of the Bone Birch]] in [[Upwold]]. The creature that sits there - the herald ~~Oglifatus~~ - has confirmed that Tharim is prepared to remove the Hag Queen's curse from Holberg. All he requires in return is for the Winter Archmage to guarantee that the Conclave will him another two years of amity. In return he will remove every plant and every piece of sculpture from the Park, and close the regio. The Senate will still need to approve replanting the park, but the curse will be gone within a season.		Tearing everything down is the most practical solution to the park. The [[magister]] ''Rebecca of Haroswatch'', one of the Wise who came to Holberg, has an alternative suggestion. The Hag Queen is part of the Thrice-Cursed Court, but there is no indication that the Court ''like'' one another. Currently she is under [[amity and enmity#Enmity\|enmity]] of the Conclave - and rightly so. The Bound King Tharim however, enjoys the [[amity and enmity#amity\|amity]] of the Conclave. In the past there are plenty of stories of one or other of the court working against the interests of the other. Some of her chapter have already made enquiries at the [[Hunters_and_wolves#In_the_Copse_of_the_Bone_Birch\|Copse of the Bone Birch]] in [[Upwold]]. The creature that sits there - the herald Obligatus - has confirmed that Tharim is prepared to remove the Hag Queen's curse from Holberg. All he requires in return is for the Winter Archmage to guarantee that the Conclave will him another two years of amity. In return he will remove every plant and every piece of sculpture from the Park, and close the regio. The Senate will still need to approve replanting the park, but the curse will be gone within a season.

	The Highborn are wise enough not to take anything a Winter eternal (or their herald) says at face value. Further enquiries indicate that the slightly niggle here is that Tharim will take ''every'' plant and statue in the Park. This will include the apple orchard, and the memorial to General Flowers. "''Everything, or nothing,''" says Obligatus candidly. "''And before the start of Winter, at that.''" If the Conclave wishes to take advantage of this offer the [[Archmage of Winter]] will need to raise a [[declaration]] of [[Concord]] during the Autumn Equinox, supported by the Conclave, and specifying that they agree to ensure at least two more years of amity to the Bound King.		The Highborn are wise enough not to take anything a Winter eternal (or their herald) says at face value. Further enquiries indicate that the slightly niggle here is that Tharim will take ''every'' plant and statue in the Park. This will include the apple orchard, and the memorial to General Flowers. "''Everything, or nothing,''" says Obligatus candidly. "''And before the start of Winter, at that.''" If the Conclave wishes to take advantage of this offer the [[Archmage of Winter]] will need to raise a [[declaration]] of [[Concord]] during the Autumn Equinox, supported by the Conclave, and specifying that they agree to ensure at least two more years of amity to the Bound King.
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	<tr><td>* '''Appointment:''' League national title; annual; [[Tally of the Votes]]</td></tr>		<tr><td>* '''Appointment:''' League national title; annual; [[Tally of the Votes]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>* '''Alternative Appointment:''' Imperial; Conclave appointment</td></tr>		<tr><td>* '''Alternative Appointment:''' Imperial; Conclave appointment</td></tr>
	<tr><td>* '''Powers:'''Trade Opportunities (Vis and Magic Item Ministries)</td></tr>		<tr><td>* '''Powers:''' Trade Opportunities (Vis and Magic Item Ministries)</td></tr>
	<tr><td>* '''Responsibilities:''' Liaise with the Rebeshi Players, protect Wunderkind Woods, protect people ''from'' Wunderkind Woods</td></tr></table>		<tr><td>* '''Responsibilities:''' Liaise with the Rebeshi Players, protect Wunderkind Woods, protect people ''from'' Wunderkind Woods</td></tr></table>
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