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Twiggy at 21:34, 4 March 2026

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	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[Conflict in the Barrens]] ~~summarizes~~ the background behind this wind of fortune		* [[Conflict in the Barrens]] summarises the background behind this wind of fortune

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	It is entirely legal for the Dawnish people to defend themselves against the attack by the Barrens orcs; any number of captains can support the Towers of the Dawn without facing criminal charges. There is some grey area as regards the legality of moving Imperial troops into the Barrens to protect the people of Dawnguard - but again a case could surely be made for self-defence and duty to Imperial citizens.		It is entirely legal for the Dawnish people to defend themselves against the attack by the Barrens orcs; any number of captains can support the Towers of the Dawn without facing criminal charges. There is some grey area as regards the legality of moving Imperial troops into the Barrens to protect the people of Dawnguard - but again a case could surely be made for self-defence and duty to Imperial citizens.

	However, if the Barrens orcs remain legally foreigners, attacking or conquering the Barrens would be a serious crime, not only for those [[general\|generals]] who ordered their armies into battle, but for the captain of any military unit that assisted them. The constitution, however, supports the rights of the generals to give such orders to the [[~~Imperial army~~\|troops under their control]], however, in the expectation that those orders be carried out, regardless of the motions passed by the Senate.		However, if the Barrens orcs remain legally foreigners, attacking or conquering the Barrens would be a serious crime, not only for those [[general\|generals]] who ordered their armies into battle, but for the captain of any military unit that assisted them. The constitution, however, supports the rights of the generals to give such orders to the [[Army\|troops under their control]], however, in the expectation that those orders be carried out, regardless of the motions passed by the Senate.

	In the words of the notoriously uncompromising General Artur deCoyne, "''It's usually a lot easier to get permission for something once you've proved it can be done.''"		In the words of the notoriously uncompromising General Artur deCoyne, "''It's usually a lot easier to get permission for something once you've proved it can be done.''"

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	===Thorny Questions of Legality===		===Thorny Questions of Legality===
	Currently, the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] has [[Declare_peace_with_Barrens_orcs\|declared]] the Barrens orcs to be foreigners. Yet that same senate [[Accept_Barrens_peace_treaty\|refused to accept]] a peace treaty negotiated with the orcs. Now they are [[379YE_Winter_Solstice_winds_of_war#The_Thunder_of_the_Barrens\|aggressively attacking]] the Dawnish people of Dawnguard.		Currently, the [[Senate]] has [[Declare_peace_with_Barrens_orcs\|declared]] the Barrens orcs to be foreigners. Yet that same senate [[Accept_Barrens_peace_treaty\|refused to accept]] a peace treaty negotiated with the orcs. Now they are [[379YE_Winter_Solstice_winds_of_war#The_Thunder_of_the_Barrens\|aggressively attacking]] the Dawnish people of Dawnguard.

	It is entirely legal for the Dawnish people to defend themselves against the attack by the Barrens orcs; any number of captains can support the Towers of the Dawn without facing criminal charges. There is some grey area as regards the legality of moving Imperial troops into the Barrens to protect the people of Dawnguard - but again a case could surely be made for self-defence and duty to Imperial citizens.		It is entirely legal for the Dawnish people to defend themselves against the attack by the Barrens orcs; any number of captains can support the Towers of the Dawn without facing criminal charges. There is some grey area as regards the legality of moving Imperial troops into the Barrens to protect the people of Dawnguard - but again a case could surely be made for self-defence and duty to Imperial citizens.

Twiggy at 00:17, 13 January 2026

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	There is a heavily muted response to the siege of the Towers of the Dawn from the people of Dawn. At first, there is significant pride in the fact that so many Dawnish nobles marched into the Barrens with their retinues. With the Towers so close to defeat and the Barrens Orcs determined to take them at any cost it is clear that only the commitment of so many Dawnish to the Barrens has been sufficient to carry the day.		There is a heavily muted response to the siege of the Towers of the Dawn from the people of Dawn. At first, there is significant pride in the fact that so many Dawnish nobles marched into the Barrens with their retinues. With the Towers so close to defeat and the Barrens Orcs determined to take them at any cost it is clear that only the commitment of so many Dawnish to the Barrens has been sufficient to carry the day.

	But the pride turns to dismay when folk ~~realize~~ that only one Dawnish army has been inspired to join the crusade. With the Hounds of Glory and the Eastern Sky boldly attacking in Spiral it seems clear that the Dawnish generals have accepted that this is the real priority. The presence of the Towerjacks in their stead - an army that should by right have been Dawnish in the minds of a few - does little to quell their concerns. By the time the fighting is underway, Dawnish soldiers are already beginning to question the purpose of the crusade.		But the pride turns to dismay when folk realise that only one Dawnish army has been inspired to join the crusade. With the Hounds of Glory and the Eastern Sky boldly attacking in Spiral it seems clear that the Dawnish generals have accepted that this is the real priority. The presence of the Towerjacks in their stead - an army that should by right have been Dawnish in the minds of a few - does little to quell their concerns. By the time the fighting is underway, Dawnish soldiers are already beginning to question the purpose of the crusade.

	The hope that a glorious battle in the campaign might reaffirm the Dawnish support for the conquest of the Barrens vanishes once it becomes clear that the strategy has been to avoid direct engagement with the Barrens Orcs at all costs. The decisions to give ground while attempting to waylay them in ambush is strategically brilliant - that much is undeniable - but it does nothing to fire the blood.		The hope that a glorious battle in the campaign might reaffirm the Dawnish support for the conquest of the Barrens vanishes once it becomes clear that the strategy has been to avoid direct engagement with the Barrens Orcs at all costs. The decisions to give ground while attempting to waylay them in ambush is strategically brilliant - that much is undeniable - but it does nothing to fire the blood.

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	There is a heavily muted response to the siege of the Towers of the Dawn from the people of Dawn. At first, there is significant pride in the fact that so many Dawnish nobles marched into the Barrens with their retinues. With the Towers so close to defeat and the Barrens Orcs determined to take them at any cost it is clear that only the commitment of so many Dawnish to the Barrens has been sufficient to carry the day.		There is a heavily muted response to the siege of the Towers of the Dawn from the people of Dawn. At first, there is significant pride in the fact that so many Dawnish nobles marched into the Barrens with their retinues. With the Towers so close to defeat and the Barrens Orcs determined to take them at any cost it is clear that only the commitment of so many Dawnish to the Barrens has been sufficient to carry the day.

	But the pride turns to dismay when folk realize that only one Dawnish army has been inspired to join the crusade. With the Hounds of Glory and the Eastern Sky boldly attacking in Spiral it seems clear that the Dawnish generals have accepted that this is the real priority. The presence of the Towerjacks in their stead - an army that should by right have been Dawnish in the minds of a few - does little to quell their concerns. By the time the fighting is underway, Dawnish ~~men and women~~ are already beginning to question the purpose of the crusade.		But the pride turns to dismay when folk realize that only one Dawnish army has been inspired to join the crusade. With the Hounds of Glory and the Eastern Sky boldly attacking in Spiral it seems clear that the Dawnish generals have accepted that this is the real priority. The presence of the Towerjacks in their stead - an army that should by right have been Dawnish in the minds of a few - does little to quell their concerns. By the time the fighting is underway, Dawnish soldiers are already beginning to question the purpose of the crusade.

	The hope that a glorious battle in the campaign might reaffirm the Dawnish support for the conquest of the Barrens vanishes once it becomes clear that the strategy has been to avoid direct engagement with the Barrens Orcs at all costs. The decisions to give ground while attempting to waylay them in ambush is strategically brilliant - that much is undeniable - but it does nothing to fire the blood.		The hope that a glorious battle in the campaign might reaffirm the Dawnish support for the conquest of the Barrens vanishes once it becomes clear that the strategy has been to avoid direct engagement with the Barrens Orcs at all costs. The decisions to give ground while attempting to waylay them in ambush is strategically brilliant - that much is undeniable - but it does nothing to fire the blood.

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	By the time the campaigning season has drawn to an end, the troubadours who inspired the crusade have slowly abandoned it, in favour of seeking glory elsewhere.		By the time the campaigning season has drawn to an end, the troubadours who inspired the crusade have slowly abandoned it, in favour of seeking glory elsewhere.

			==Further Reading==
			* [[Conflict in the Barrens]] summarizes the background behind this wind of fortune

Rafferty at 17:02, 24 November 2019

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	<ic>Jessica stood on the orcs chest and took a firm grip on her great two-handed sword. She had hit the little bastard far too hard. She wiggled the weapon back and forth slowly working it loose from where it had lodged in his chest.		<ic>Jessica stood on the orcs chest and took a firm grip on her great two-handed sword. She had hit the little bastard far too hard. She wiggled the weapon back and forth slowly working it loose from where it had lodged in his chest.

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	<ic>Jessica stood on the orcs chest and took a firm grip on her great two-handed sword. She had hit the little bastard far too hard. She wiggled the weapon back and forth slowly working it loose from where it had lodged in his chest.		<ic>Jessica stood on the orcs chest and took a firm grip on her great two-handed sword. She had hit the little bastard far too hard. She wiggled the weapon back and forth slowly working it loose from where it had lodged in his chest.

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	By the time the campaigning season has drawn to an end, the troubadours who inspired the crusade have slowly abandoned it, in favour of seeking glory elsewhere.		By the time the campaigning season has drawn to an end, the troubadours who inspired the crusade have slowly abandoned it, in favour of seeking glory elsewhere.
	~~{{Category:379YE Winter Solstice winds of fortune}}~~

Matt at 16:41, 24 August 2018

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	"I know that with a fourth army, with the Druj out, with Spiral Castle admitting they're part of Dawn again, there won't be a better time to strike in the next decade, if ever. Once we get bogged down in Urizen, or on the west side, we'll not get loose again easily."		"I know that with a fourth army, with the Druj out, with Spiral Castle admitting they're part of Dawn again, there won't be a better time to strike in the next decade, if ever. Once we get bogged down in Urizen, or on the west side, we'll not get loose again easily."

	Sir Jory shrugged. "I don't know if I agree with you ... but I do know that right now there are orcs shooting arrows into Dawnish ~~yeomen~~ and the only thing between us and them are some trees."		Sir Jory shrugged. "I don't know if I agree with you ... but I do know that right now there are orcs shooting arrows into Dawnish yeofolk and the only thing between us and them are some trees."

	They looked at the Forest of Peytaht again. Jessica forced a grin - and the Paragons knew there had been few enough of them in the last few months.		They looked at the Forest of Peytaht again. Jessica forced a grin - and the Paragons knew there had been few enough of them in the last few months.
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	==Overview==		==Overview==
	In [[Semmerholm]], the mustering of the fourth [[Dawn\|Dawnish]] army is almost complete. Almost every noble house in Dawn has provided stout [[~~Yeoman~~ of Dawn\|~~yeomen~~]], noble knights, and [[Dawn_magical_traditions#War_witches\|war witches]] to take up arms under the banners of Dawn. Valentin of House Orzel is the [[Senator]] for [[Weirwater]] who [[Raise Dawnish army II\|proposed the motion]] - assuming that he is able to provide the final wains of mithril required to complete equipment and deployment, the army will enter service during the Spring Equinox.		In [[Semmerholm]], the mustering of the fourth [[Dawn\|Dawnish]] army is almost complete. Almost every noble house in Dawn has provided stout [[Yeofolk of Dawn\|yeofolk]], noble knights, and [[Dawn_magical_traditions#War_witches\|war witches]] to take up arms under the banners of Dawn. Valentin of House Orzel is the [[Senator]] for [[Weirwater]] who [[Raise Dawnish army II\|proposed the motion]] - assuming that he is able to provide the final wains of mithril required to complete equipment and deployment, the army will enter service during the Spring Equinox.

	This season the senator for Weirwater is expected to confirm both the name of the army and the [[Army qualities\|composition of its forces]]. Senator Valentin is under pressure from some [[noble house\|noble houses]] to have the new army take up the banner of the ''Gryphon's Pride'' - the army lost in [[the Barrens]] in 276YE. Troubadours encouraged by House Lionsguard (among others) have spread the tale of the Gryphon's Pride's [[Army qualities#Glorious\|glory]], and made much of the idea that the Barrens are Dawn's destiny. With the [[379YE_Winter_Solstice_winds_of_war#The_Thunder_of_the_Barrens\|current situation in the Barrens]] it is clear that many Dawnish nobles will be watching to see what the Senator announces with interest.		This season the senator for Weirwater is expected to confirm both the name of the army and the [[Army qualities\|composition of its forces]]. Senator Valentin is under pressure from some [[noble house\|noble houses]] to have the new army take up the banner of the ''Gryphon's Pride'' - the army lost in [[the Barrens]] in 276YE. Troubadours encouraged by House Lionsguard (among others) have spread the tale of the Gryphon's Pride's [[Army qualities#Glorious\|glory]], and made much of the idea that the Barrens are Dawn's destiny. With the [[379YE_Winter_Solstice_winds_of_war#The_Thunder_of_the_Barrens\|current situation in the Barrens]] it is clear that many Dawnish nobles will be watching to see what the Senator announces with interest.

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	If the Dawn national assembly calls for the conquest of the Barrens, the people will listen. A suitably worded statement of principle could name a Dawnish priest to support the armies. The priest would need to collect 50 doses of liao, to enable creation of auras of [[Courage]], [[Pride]], and [[Ambition]], and this would mean that every [[military unit]] controlled by a Dawnish captain would gain a significant bonus to their fighting strength when engaged in fighting in the Barrens for the next season while supporting a Dawnish army or [[fortification]]. By contrast, any Dawnish military unit that chose to fight elsewhere would suffer a significant penalty to their effective fighting strength.		If the Dawn national assembly calls for the conquest of the Barrens, the people will listen. A suitably worded statement of principle could name a Dawnish priest to support the armies. The priest would need to collect 50 doses of liao, to enable creation of auras of [[Courage]], [[Pride]], and [[Ambition]], and this would mean that every [[military unit]] controlled by a Dawnish captain would gain a significant bonus to their fighting strength when engaged in fighting in the Barrens for the next season while supporting a Dawnish army or [[fortification]]. By contrast, any Dawnish military unit that chose to fight elsewhere would suffer a significant penalty to their effective fighting strength.

	It is likely that if the assembly makes this statement, the [[opportunity]] would exist to keep supporting the Dawnish conquest of the Barrens ~~(but see [[#Epilogue (Spring Equinox 380YE)\|below]])~~		It is likely that if the assembly makes this statement, the [[opportunity]] would exist to keep supporting the Dawnish conquest of the Barrens.

	The Barrens orcs are still foreigners - so this statement would do nothing to make an attack against the orcs ''legal''. However, the troubadours argue, it is not a crime for the knights and war-witches of Dawn to defend the Towers of Dawn ... and kill any and all orcs who attempt to take the fortification, and the manors of Dawnguard, away from them. In self-defence, of course.		The Barrens orcs are still foreigners - so this statement would do nothing to make an attack against the orcs ''legal''. However, the troubadours argue, it is not a crime for the knights and war-witches of Dawn to defend the Towers of Dawn ... and kill any and all orcs who attempt to take the fortification, and the manors of Dawnguard, away from them. In self-defence, of course.
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	===Epilogue ~~(Spring Equinox 380YE)~~===		===Epilogue===
	There is a heavily muted response to the siege of the Towers of the Dawn from the people of Dawn. At first, there is significant pride in the fact that so many Dawnish nobles marched into the Barrens with their retinues. With the Towers so close to defeat and the Barrens Orcs determined to take them at any cost it is clear that only the commitment of so many Dawnish to the Barrens has been sufficient to carry the day.		There is a heavily muted response to the siege of the Towers of the Dawn from the people of Dawn. At first, there is significant pride in the fact that so many Dawnish nobles marched into the Barrens with their retinues. With the Towers so close to defeat and the Barrens Orcs determined to take them at any cost it is clear that only the commitment of so many Dawnish to the Barrens has been sufficient to carry the day.

	But the pride turns to dismay when folk realize that only one Dawnish army has been inspired to join the crusade. With the Hounds of Glory and the Eastern Sky boldly attacking in Spiral it seems clear that the Dawnish generals have accepted that this is the real priority. The presence of the Towerjacks in their ~~steed~~ - an army that should by right have been Dawnish in the minds of a few - does little to quell their concerns. By the time the fighting is underway, Dawnish men and women are already beginning to question the purpose of the crusade.		But the pride turns to dismay when folk realize that only one Dawnish army has been inspired to join the crusade. With the Hounds of Glory and the Eastern Sky boldly attacking in Spiral it seems clear that the Dawnish generals have accepted that this is the real priority. The presence of the Towerjacks in their stead - an army that should by right have been Dawnish in the minds of a few - does little to quell their concerns. By the time the fighting is underway, Dawnish men and women are already beginning to question the purpose of the crusade.

	The hope that a glorious battle in the campaign might reaffirm the Dawnish support for the conquest of the Barrens vanishes once it becomes clear that the strategy has been to avoid direct engagement with the Barrens Orcs at all costs. The decisions to give ground while attempting to waylay them in ambush is strategically brilliant - that much is undeniable - but it does nothing to fire the blood.		The hope that a glorious battle in the campaign might reaffirm the Dawnish support for the conquest of the Barrens vanishes once it becomes clear that the strategy has been to avoid direct engagement with the Barrens Orcs at all costs. The decisions to give ground while attempting to waylay them in ambush is strategically brilliant - that much is undeniable - but it does nothing to fire the blood.