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Hailmur: /* Appointments */

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Appointments

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	* '''The well worn path for any Imperial title with responsibility for culture or the arts would be election by the Cat's Graces'''		* '''The well worn path for any Imperial title with responsibility for culture or the arts would be election by the Cat's Graces'''
	* '''There are seven extant titles that would change appointment method to election by the Cat's Graces'''		* '''There are seven extant titles that would change appointment method to election by the Cat's Graces'''
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Dre at 15:26, 18 May 2026

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Hailmur at 15:06, 18 May 2026

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:~~387YE Winter~~]][[Category:Recent History]][[Category:Appraisal]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:388YE Spring]][[Category:Recent History]][[Category:Appraisal]]
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	"It's a lovely idea Genia, I'm all for it ''in theory''... but you've no reason to imagine that the Senate will approve this... what did you call it?"		"It's a lovely idea Genia, I'm all for it ''in theory''... but you've no reason to imagine that the Senate will approve this... what did you call it?"

Thespaceinvader: /* Consequences */

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Consequences

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	* '''Empress Vesna has asked the Civil Service to assess the constitutional implications of the Cat's Graces'''		* '''Empress Vesna has asked the Civil Service to assess the constitutional implications of the Cat's Graces'''
	* '''The symbol and manifesto have been provided and Magistrate Abraham has delivered their analysis'''		* '''The symbol and manifesto have been provided and Magistrate Abraham has delivered their analysis'''
	Empress Vesna announced that the symbol of the Cat's Graces would be a cat holding a scroll of paper and that a Maestro would be appointed to speak for the sodality. The announcement referred to them as the "leader" of the sodality, which Magistrate Abraham is quick to rule out. Any attempt to put someone "in charge" of the new sodality would be as unconstitutional as an attempt to put someone "in charge" of the [[Conclave]] or the [[Synod]]. The sodality can be represented by a Maestro - but not ~~lead~~ by them. This minor criticism aside, the manifesto is otherwise described as being "elegant and concise" - qualities the magistrate appears to rank just below the seven Virtues.		Empress Vesna announced that the symbol of the Cat's Graces would be a cat holding a scroll of paper and that a Maestro would be appointed to speak for the sodality. The announcement referred to them as the "leader" of the sodality, which Magistrate Abraham is quick to rule out. Any attempt to put someone "in charge" of the new sodality would be as unconstitutional as an attempt to put someone "in charge" of the [[Conclave]] or the [[Synod]]. The sodality can be represented by a Maestro - but not led by them. This minor criticism aside, the manifesto is otherwise described as being "elegant and concise" - qualities the magistrate appears to rank just below the seven Virtues.

	<quote by="Manifesto of the Cat's Graces"> This sodality is dedicated to art and music, it holds the following to be true:		<quote by="Manifesto of the Cat's Graces"> This sodality is dedicated to art and music, it holds the following to be true:

GuiltyConscience: /* Mistress of Monuments */

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Mistress of Monuments

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	===Mistress of Monuments===		===Mistress of Monuments===
	* '''The current responsibilities of the Mistress of Monuments will see the title changed to election by the Cat's Graces'''		* '''The current responsibilities of the Mistress of Monuments will see the title changed to election by the Cat's Graces'''
	* '''The Senate could refine the ~~responsibilies~~ of the title to keep it elected by the Imperial Synod'''		* '''The Senate could refine the responsibilities of the title to keep it elected by the Imperial Synod'''

	Members of the Constitutional Court have been unable to completely agree on the matter of the [[Mistress of Monuments]]. Leontes argues for a literal interpretation of the position's ~~responsibilites~~, which demands the title ''"work with Imperial artists to commemorate inspirational actions and significant events with monuments and statues"''. The emphasis on working with Imperial artists with a goal to ~~comemorate~~ significant events the position firmly with the remit of the new sodality, according to the Imperial Archivist. Leontes insists it must be updated accordingly - if the sodality is approved.		Members of the Constitutional Court have been unable to completely agree on the matter of the [[Mistress of Monuments]]. Leontes argues for a literal interpretation of the position's responsibilities, which demands the title ''"work with Imperial artists to commemorate inspirational actions and significant events with monuments and statues"''. The emphasis on working with Imperial artists with a goal to commemorate significant events the position firmly with the remit of the new sodality, according to the Imperial Archivist. Leontes insists it must be updated accordingly - if the sodality is approved.

	In contrast, Magistrate Abraham argues that the responsibilities include an emphasis on ~~inspriation~~ - a term widely used in the context of the paragons and exemplars - collectively referred to as "inspirations". If the responsibilities of the title were to create statues of paragons and exemplars, to inspire Virtue or to celebrate Virtuous actions, then it could be appointed by the Synod or the new sodality.		In contrast, Magistrate Abraham argues that the responsibilities include an emphasis on inspiration - a term widely used in the context of the paragons and exemplars - collectively referred to as "inspirations". If the responsibilities of the title were to create statues of paragons and exemplars, to inspire Virtue or to celebrate Virtuous actions, then it could be appointed by the Synod or the new sodality.

			Unable to agree on a definitive solution, the two scholars settle on a compromise. If the Imperial Senate approve the creation of the Cat's Graces but do not make any changes to the title's responsibilities, then the title will be appointed by the new sodality henceforth. If the Senate change the responsibilities of the title to make it clear that it is primarily concerned with creating statues and monuments of the "inspirations" and commemorating Virtuous events, then it will appointed by the Assembly of the Way.

	Unable to agree on a definitive solution, the two scholars settle on a compromise. If the Imperial Senate approve the creation of the Cat's Graces but do not make any changes to the title's responsibilities, then the title will be appointed by the new sodality henceforth. If the Senate change the responsibilities of the title to make it clear that it is primarily concerned with creating statues and monuments of the "inspirations" and comemorating Virtuous events, then it will appointed by the Assembly of the Way.
	===Powers===		===Powers===
	{{CaptionedImage\|file=Magistrate Abraham.jpg\|caption=Magistrate Abraham, a constitutional scholar and part of the<br>[[Scrutiny#Constitutional Council\|Constitutional Council]]\|align=right\|width=300}}		{{CaptionedImage\|file=Magistrate Abraham.jpg\|caption=Magistrate Abraham, a constitutional scholar and part of the<br>[[Scrutiny#Constitutional Council\|Constitutional Council]]\|align=right\|width=300}}

GuiltyConscience: /* Appointments */

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Appointments

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	There are several Imperial titles whose responsibilities are concerned with culture and the arts. The most obvious example is the [[High Bard of the Empire]], an important position whose responsibility includes the need ''"to promote and encourage excellence and passionate demonstration of artistic performance across all the nations of the Empire"''. Currently this position is elected by the [[Assembly of the Nine]]. Music does have an important role in Virtue, as demonstrated by [[:Category:Musical_Instruments\|magic items like]] the [[Celebrant's Fiddle]], but the High Bard's ~~responsibilities~~ [[High Bard of the Empire#Responsibilities\|responsibilities]] make it clear their remit extends to art rather than matters of spirituality.		There are several Imperial titles whose responsibilities are concerned with culture and the arts. The most obvious example is the [[High Bard of the Empire]], an important position whose responsibility includes the need ''"to promote and encourage excellence and passionate demonstration of artistic performance across all the nations of the Empire"''. Currently this position is elected by the [[Assembly of the Nine]]. Music does have an important role in Virtue, as demonstrated by [[:Category:Musical_Instruments\|magic items like]] the [[Celebrant's Fiddle]], but the High Bard's [[High Bard of the Empire#Responsibilities\|responsibilities]] make it clear their remit extends to art rather than matters of spirituality.

	With the creation of the Cat's Graces, the only constitutionally valid path for the appointment of titles with responsibilities of this kind - supporting and promoting art and artists - would be via vote of the Cat's Graces sodality.		With the creation of the Cat's Graces, the only constitutionally valid path for the appointment of titles with responsibilities of this kind - supporting and promoting art and artists - would be via vote of the Cat's Graces sodality.

Hailmur: /* What's In A Name? */

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What's In A Name?

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	==What's In A Name?==		==What's In A Name?==
	<div style="float:right; width: ~~450px~~; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Music and joy.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Music brings joy, and rouses powerful emotions in the people of the Empire.\|width=450}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 350px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Music and joy.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Music brings joy, and rouses powerful emotions in the people of the Empire.\|width=450}}</div>
	* '''Some potential supporters have questioned the name of the sodality'''		* '''Some potential supporters have questioned the name of the sodality'''
	It would be unusual for anything involving the arts to receive unleavened positivity from artists, and the Cat's Graces is no exception. Supporters are eager to offer their support for the new sodality, but many of them have one request. They argue that the proposed name of the sodality doesn't successfully convey its status or importance. The point of a sodality, they argue, is to found an institution, an extension of the Imperial government. Simply by existing, the sodality conveys the importance of the arts, it demonstrates that the Empire takes the arts as seriously as it does war, economics or magic. Or at least it would do that if it bore the right name.		It would be unusual for anything involving the arts to receive unleavened positivity from artists, and the Cat's Graces is no exception. Supporters are eager to offer their support for the new sodality, but many of them have one request. They argue that the proposed name of the sodality doesn't successfully convey its status or importance. The point of a sodality, they argue, is to found an institution, an extension of the Imperial government. Simply by existing, the sodality conveys the importance of the arts, it demonstrates that the Empire takes the arts as seriously as it does war, economics or magic. Or at least it would do that if it bore the right name.

Hailmur: /* Singular */

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Singular

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	===Singular===		===Singular===
	<div style="float:right; width: ~~450px~~; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Story Circle.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Stories and songs bring the past to life and offer hope for the future.\|width=450}}</div>		<div style="float:right; width: 350px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Story Circle.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Stories and songs bring the past to life and offer hope for the future.\|width=450}}</div>
	* '''It would not be possible to create a second sodality concerned with culture or the arts'''		* '''It would not be possible to create a second sodality concerned with culture or the arts'''
	Imperial Sodalities are also "singular", and the Cat's Graces are no exception. Once approved by the Senate, a sodality forms part of the Imperial government, with a clearly defined constitutional role. That role must be unique and singular - there cannot be two sodalities in the Empire with overlapping concerns. If the Imperial Senate approves the manifesto of the Cat's Graces, then it would not be possible to create a new Imperial sodality charged with the promotion of culture and the arts without first abrogating the existence of the Cat's Graces.		Imperial Sodalities are also "singular", and the Cat's Graces are no exception. Once approved by the Senate, a sodality forms part of the Imperial government, with a clearly defined constitutional role. That role must be unique and singular - there cannot be two sodalities in the Empire with overlapping concerns. If the Imperial Senate approves the manifesto of the Cat's Graces, then it would not be possible to create a new Imperial sodality charged with the promotion of culture and the arts without first abrogating the existence of the Cat's Graces.

GuiltyConscience at 14:49, 18 May 2026

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	"Cat's Graces" the elderly prince answered, deliberately cutting in before her host could continue. "And you're quite right of course Wilhelm. There's every chance our parsimonious Senate will run a mile when they see the results of their appraisal. But." she said, raising her finger to ensure Wilhelm understood she was still talking. "I take heart from the the fact that the Throne chose to appraise the Cat's Grace first... doesn't that rather suggest something?"		"Cat's Graces" the elderly prince answered, deliberately cutting in before her host could continue. "And you're quite right of course Wilhelm. There's every chance our parsimonious Senate will run a mile when they see the results of their appraisal. But." she said, raising her finger to ensure Wilhelm understood she was still talking. "I take heart from the the fact that the Throne chose to appraise the Cat's Grace first... doesn't that rather suggest something?"

	Wilhelm's goblet of wine was half way to his lips when he realised Genia was giving him an opportunity to get a word in edgeways. "Maybe all it suggests is that the Throne ~~through~~ this idea would be the least bother?" he responded.		Wilhelm's goblet of wine was half way to his lips when he realised Genia was giving him an opportunity to get a word in edgeways. "Maybe all it suggests is that the Throne thought this idea would be the least bother?" he responded.

	"Maybe," conceded his guest, "but surely Emperor Vesna can't help but be moved when people start drawing comparisons between the new Throne and Empress Richilde? Why even the paragon herself never attempted something so bold." Genia Bourné stood up and spread her arms ~~impoloringly~~. "What happens" she demanded, "when people point out that there has never been a Throne, before or since, who did as much for Imperial culture... until now?"		"Maybe," conceded his guest, "but surely Emperor Vesna can't help but be moved when people start drawing comparisons between the new Throne and Empress Richilde? Why even the paragon herself never attempted something so bold." Genia Bourné stood up and spread her arms imploringly. "What happens" she demanded, "when people point out that there has never been a Throne, before or since, who did as much for Imperial culture... until now?"

	"Are people pointing that out?" asked Wilhelm, looking unconvinced.		"Are people pointing that out?" asked Wilhelm, looking unconvinced.

Rafferty at 14:41, 18 May 2026

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	===Singular===		===Singular===
			<div style="float:right; width: 450px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Story Circle.jpg\|align=left\|caption=Stories and songs bring the past to life and offer hope for the future.\|width=450}}</div>
	* '''It would not be possible to create a second sodality concerned with culture or the arts'''		* '''It would not be possible to create a second sodality concerned with culture or the arts'''
	Imperial Sodalities are also "singular", and the Cat's Graces are no exception. Once approved by the Senate, a sodality forms part of the Imperial government, with a clearly defined constitutional role. That role must be unique and singular - there cannot be two sodalities in the Empire with overlapping concerns. If the Imperial Senate approves the manifesto of the Cat's Graces, then it would not be possible to create a new Imperial sodality charged with the promotion of culture and the arts without first abrogating the existence of the Cat's Graces.		Imperial Sodalities are also "singular", and the Cat's Graces are no exception. Once approved by the Senate, a sodality forms part of the Imperial government, with a clearly defined constitutional role. That role must be unique and singular - there cannot be two sodalities in the Empire with overlapping concerns. If the Imperial Senate approves the manifesto of the Cat's Graces, then it would not be possible to create a new Imperial sodality charged with the promotion of culture and the arts without first abrogating the existence of the Cat's Graces.