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	Spurred on by the mandates of Hector and Mazo, a number of prominent spires, citadels and temples in the north of Spiral have rebelled against the Empire. They have seized the two regions of Ankra and Cinion and declared them to be part of Urizen, not the League, and say that they will no longer recognise the authority of the Empire or the Imperial Senate.		Spurred on by the mandates of Hector and Mazo, a number of prominent spires, citadels and temples in the north of Spiral have rebelled against the Empire. They have seized the two regions of Ankra and Cinion and declared them to be part of Urizen, not the League, and say that they will no longer recognise the authority of the Empire or the Imperial Senate.

	Stopping them will be difficult, not least because the aid of the Eternal [[Sung]] makes it almost impossible for any regular [[~~Imperial army~~]] to locate the rebellious spires. The [[Vale of Shadows\|illusions and shrouds]] that the ''Rainbow Serpent'' has [[The_fate_of_the_many#The_Serpent.27s_Edge\|helped provide]] will make it simple for Urizen magicians to avoid Imperial forces. An army could retake the regions, but they couldn't bring the rebellious spires to heel, because Sung's support makes it trivial for them to evade an army. The Empire would have to station an army in the territory on a permanent basis until the rebels are dealt with, otherwise they can simply declare independence again as soon as the territory is undefended. What is more, the ''Dancer at the End of Time'' has already demonstrated that she will offer aid to her friends in Spiral. The potent defences of the Vale of Shadows are unlikely to represent the limits of the aid she might offer if asked.		Stopping them will be difficult, not least because the aid of the Eternal [[Sung]] makes it almost impossible for any regular [[Army]] to locate the rebellious spires. The [[Vale of Shadows\|illusions and shrouds]] that the ''Rainbow Serpent'' has [[The_fate_of_the_many#The_Serpent.27s_Edge\|helped provide]] will make it simple for Urizen magicians to avoid Imperial forces. An army could retake the regions, but they couldn't bring the rebellious spires to heel, because Sung's support makes it trivial for them to evade an army. The Empire would have to station an army in the territory on a permanent basis until the rebels are dealt with, otherwise they can simply declare independence again as soon as the territory is undefended. What is more, the ''Dancer at the End of Time'' has already demonstrated that she will offer aid to her friends in Spiral. The potent defences of the Vale of Shadows are unlikely to represent the limits of the aid she might offer if asked.

	The de facto leaders of these three groups are ''Tiborion of the Endless Horizen'', ''Caela of the Tower of the Silver Flame'' and ''Actius of the Deathless Cave''. Naomi believes it may be possible to negotiate with the groups on the terms, but she advises caution and to have realistic expectations. The demands of Actius are perhaps the easiest to meet, but arguably because of this, they are unlikely to accept lesser terms. Caela is the most dogmatic, she and her allies want Spiral returned to Urizen and it is difficult to imagine what compromise there might be on that point. Tiborion is the most likely to be negotiable, but Naomi stresses that the architect will not be bought off with a pouch of League thrones. In their eyes they have lost a senator - they want something equivalent for Urizen in return.		The de facto leaders of these three groups are ''Tiborion of the Endless Horizen'', ''Caela of the Tower of the Silver Flame'' and ''Actius of the Deathless Cave''. Naomi believes it may be possible to negotiate with the groups on the terms, but she advises caution and to have realistic expectations. The demands of Actius are perhaps the easiest to meet, but arguably because of this, they are unlikely to accept lesser terms. Caela is the most dogmatic, she and her allies want Spiral returned to Urizen and it is difficult to imagine what compromise there might be on that point. Tiborion is the most likely to be negotiable, but Naomi stresses that the architect will not be bought off with a pouch of League thrones. In their eyes they have lost a senator - they want something equivalent for Urizen in return.

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	The unique [[windfall\|political situation in Spiral]] is already developing with large numbers of enterprising [[the League\|League]] citizens moving to settle in Apulian, drawn by the myriad opportunities presented by the new territory, not least of which is the election for senator slated to take place at the coming summit. Kaliact's Apulian Orcs have joined [[The League]], but if they planned to use their well-established businesses to control the territory, it looks like they will have a fight on their hands.		The unique [[windfall\|political situation in Spiral]] is already developing with large numbers of enterprising [[the League\|League]] citizens moving to settle in Apulian, drawn by the myriad opportunities presented by the new territory, not least of which is the election for senator slated to take place at the coming summit. Kaliact's Apulian Orcs have joined [[The League]], but if they planned to use their well-established businesses to control the territory, it looks like they will have a fight on their hands.

	The instruction of the [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] is timely, and it is fortunate indeed that the Senate opted to assign the most diplomatic member of the appraisal team to this endeavour. The situation in the territory was tense but peaceful at the start of the summit, but it did not remain so for long. The Urizen Assembly passed a number of judgements, one of which the prognosticators forecast would leave the territory in a febrile state, simmering with rebellion. However, the decision of the Loyalty Assembly to throw their support behind this mandate has meant the impact of the original mandate has far exceeded expectations and plunged the territory into crisis.		The instruction of the [[Senate]] is timely, and it is fortunate indeed that the Senate opted to assign the most diplomatic member of the appraisal team to this endeavour. The situation in the territory was tense but peaceful at the start of the summit, but it did not remain so for long. The Urizen Assembly passed a number of judgements, one of which the prognosticators forecast would leave the territory in a febrile state, simmering with rebellion. However, the decision of the Loyalty Assembly to throw their support behind this mandate has meant the impact of the original mandate has far exceeded expectations and plunged the territory into crisis.

	==The Thieving Bandit==		==The Thieving Bandit==

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Urizen

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	At the most recent summit, the League Assembly passed a clear statement of principle with a unanimous greater majority stating unequivocally that the League owes a debt of reckoning to the Urizeni of Spiral and that they will repay them. Of course, that statement was before anyone had named their price.		At the most recent summit, the League Assembly passed a clear statement of principle with a unanimous greater majority stating unequivocally that the League owes a debt of reckoning to the Urizeni of Spiral and that they will repay them. Of course, that statement was before anyone had named their price.

	The nominal leader of this faction is Tiborion of the Endless Horizen, an architect who lives in ~~Anara~~. The target of his ire is not the League, but the Imperial Senate. They don't object to the League benefitting, it is the fact that Urizen has lost a territory and with it a [[senator]] that bothers them. That decision means there are fewer Urizen voices in the Imperial Senate - and the status and influence of Urizen is diminished accordingly. That is not something the League can do anything about, at least not directly. What the Senate has taken away, only the Senate can restore.		The nominal leader of this faction is Tiborion of the Endless Horizen, an architect who lives in Ankra. The target of his ire is not the League, but the Imperial Senate. They don't object to the League benefitting, it is the fact that Urizen has lost a territory and with it a [[senator]] that bothers them. That decision means there are fewer Urizen voices in the Imperial Senate - and the status and influence of Urizen is diminished accordingly. That is not something the League can do anything about, at least not directly. What the Senate has taken away, only the Senate can restore.

	However if the League are genuinely prepared to make a reckoning, then Tiborion has a proposal. After consultation with Naomi, their suggestion is to move the Imperial Mint from [[Tassato]] to the city of [[Redoubt#Cargo\|Cargo]] in Redoubt.		However if the League are genuinely prepared to make a reckoning, then Tiborion has a proposal. After consultation with Naomi, their suggestion is to move the Imperial Mint from [[Tassato]] to the city of [[Redoubt#Cargo\|Cargo]] in Redoubt.

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The Rebels

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	{{Mandate\|mandate=The virtuous build up their fellows, they do not tear them down. Blue flowers bloom in Spiral, and if we are to hold true the promise of this Empire we cannot laud one while cutting down another. Should the Empire shed Urizeni blood in this matter, it will prove they value thieves and slavers over virtuous citizens. It will prove they are unworthy of the oldest nation. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to encourage all Urizeni to stand in defiance of an Empire that treats our lives as an inconvenience, should they dare to enact violence against our people. Loyalty demands, and we cannot condemn the people of Spiral for having answered.\|assembly=Urizen National Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The virtuous build up their fellows, they do not tear them down. Blue flowers bloom in Spiral, and if we are to hold true the promise of this Empire we cannot laud one while cutting down another. Should the Empire shed Urizeni blood in this matter, it will prove they value thieves and slavers over virtuous citizens. It will prove they are unworthy of the oldest nation. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to encourage all Urizeni to stand in defiance of an Empire that treats our lives as an inconvenience, should they dare to enact violence against our people. Loyalty demands, and we cannot condemn the people of Spiral for having answered.\|assembly=Urizen National Assembly}}

	If this mandate is enacted, then if the Empire sends an army to suppress the rebels at any point in the next year, the rebellion will spread to the ~~whole~~ of Urizen with spires taking up arms and declaring their support for the rebellion and opposition to the Empire.		If this mandate is enacted, then if the Empire sends an army to suppress the rebels at any point in the next year, the rebellion will spread to the rest of Urizen with spires taking up arms and declaring their support for the rebellion and opposition to the Empire.

	Neither of the two mandates available to the Urizen National Assembly are in competition with each other.		Neither of the two mandates available to the Urizen National Assembly are in competition with each other.

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The Rebels

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	Under normal circumstances, only [[Mandate#Alternative_Mandates\|alternative mandates]] proposed by one of the assemblies already involved that lead to an alternative outcome are likely to be effective. In this complex situation, and following [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Judgement_106\|Judgement 106]] and [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Judgement_130\|judgement 130]], there is an [[opportunity]] for the League national assembly to propose alternative mandates to try and influence their own people in Spiral. As above, however, mandates that try to persuade the Urizen to abandon their rebellion will not be effective.		Under normal circumstances, only [[Mandate#Alternative_Mandates\|alternative mandates]] proposed by one of the assemblies already involved that lead to an alternative outcome are likely to be effective. In this complex situation, and following [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Judgement_106\|Judgement 106]] and [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Synod_judgements#Judgement_130\|judgement 130]], there is an [[opportunity]] for the League national assembly to propose alternative mandates to try and influence their own people in Spiral. As above, however, mandates that try to persuade the Urizen to abandon their rebellion will not be effective.

			'''Aurum of the Nightingale Temple''' has offered an alternate mandate to the Urizen National Assembly

			{{Mandate\|mandate=The virtuous build up their fellows, they do not tear them down. Blue flowers bloom in Spiral, and if we are to hold true the promise of this Empire we cannot laud one while cutting down another. Should the Empire shed Urizeni blood in this matter, it will prove they value thieves and slavers over virtuous citizens. It will prove they are unworthy of the oldest nation. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to encourage all Urizeni to stand in defiance of an Empire that treats our lives as an inconvenience, should they dare to enact violence against our people. Loyalty demands, and we cannot condemn the people of Spiral for having answered.\|assembly=Urizen National Assembly}}

			If this mandate is enacted, then if the Empire sends an army to suppress the rebels at any point in the next year, the rebellion will spread to the whole of Urizen with spires taking up arms and declaring their support for the rebellion and opposition to the Empire.

			Neither of the two mandates available to the Urizen National Assembly are in competition with each other.

	==The Mammoth in the Tent==		==The Mammoth in the Tent==

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	<tr><td>'''Commission Type: '''Unique (Senate commission only)</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Commission Type: '''Unique (Senate commission only)</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Location:''' Cargo, in Redoubt</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Location:''' Cargo, in Redoubt</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Cost:''' 45 wains of white granite, 90 crowns, six months</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Cost:''' 45 wains of white granite, 135 crowns, six months</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Effect:''' Moves the Imperial Mint from Tassato to Cargo in Redoubt; [[Master of the Imperial Mint]] becomes an Urizen national position appointed by [[Tally of the Votes]]</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Effect:''' Moves the Imperial Mint from Tassato to Cargo in Redoubt; [[Master of the Imperial Mint]] becomes an Urizen national position appointed by [[Tally of the Votes]]</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Restriction:''' Motion must explicitly decommission the offices at Tassato and re-establish them in Cargo</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Restriction:''' Motion must explicitly decommission the offices at Tassato and re-establish them in Cargo</td></tr>
	<tr><td>'''Opportunity:''' This commission has required elements; if any are not all fulfilled the commission does nothing</td></tr>		<tr><td>'''Opportunity:''' This commission has required elements; if any are not all fulfilled the commission does nothing</td></tr>
	</table></div>		</table></div>
	This is an expensive proposition, in both the short and medium term. It would require the commission of a new building to house the mint, which would be a substantial undertaking requiring 45 wains of white granite, 90 crowns and taking six months to complete. It would need to be commissioned by the Imperial Senate directly, it would not be possible to build a new mint with anything other than a Senate motion. The motion would need to make explicitly clear that the offices of the Mint in Tassato were to be decommissioned and re-established in Cargo.		This is an expensive proposition, in both the short and medium term. It would require the commission of a new building to house the mint, which would be a substantial undertaking requiring 45 wains of white granite, 135 crowns and taking six months to complete. It would need to be commissioned by the Imperial Senate directly, it would not be possible to build a new mint with anything other than a Senate motion. The motion would need to make explicitly clear that the offices of the Mint in Tassato were to be decommissioned and re-established in Cargo.

	Once the commission was completed, the next time the Master of the Imperial Mint was elected it would be an Urizen national position appointed by [[Tally of the Votes]]. That would have an implicit cost to the Imperial Treasury, League citizens have paid over two hundred thrones to hold the position over the last four years. That money would no longer flow into Imperial coffers if the seat were an Urizen national position.		Once the commission was completed, the next time the Master of the Imperial Mint was elected it would be an Urizen national position appointed by [[Tally of the Votes]]. That would have an implicit cost to the Imperial Treasury, League citizens have paid over two hundred thrones to hold the position over the last four years. That money would no longer flow into Imperial coffers if the seat were an Urizen national position.

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	"If the Empire thinks this will be another Dogri, then five hundred of the world's greatest magicians will teach them the error of their ways..."</ic>		"If the Empire thinks this will be another Dogri, then five hundred of the world's greatest magicians will teach them the error of their ways..."</ic>
	<div style="float:left; width: 500px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Jewels.jpg\|align=left\|caption=There are many [[Loyalty#Symbols_of_Loyalty\|symbols of Loyalty]]. In [[the League]] [[The_League_hearth_magic#Rings\|rings]] are commonly used while in [[Urizen]] the [[Astronomancy#Constellations\|constellations]] of [[the Chain]] and [[the Three Sisters]] are often believed to be tied to the virtue.\|width=500}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 500px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Jewels.jpg\|align=left\|caption=There are many [[Loyalty#Symbols_of_Loyalty\|symbols of Loyalty]]. In [[the League]] [[The_League_hearth_magic#Rings\|rings]] are commonly used while in [[Urizen]] the [[Astronomancy#Constellations\|constellations]] of [[the Chain]] and [[the Three Sisters]] are often believed to be tied to the virtue.\|width=500}}</div>
			{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkhMcZ_GwZI}}
	==Overview==		==Overview==
	At the Summer Solstice, [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Senate_sessions#Appraise_Urizen_in_Spiral\|the Imperial Senate instructed]] [[Appraisal#Naomi_of_Virtue.27s_Rest\|Naomi of Virtue's Rest]] to ''"appraise what further the League can do so that the [[Urizen]] in [[Spiral]] can remain there peacefully while preserving their culture, ideally without suffering undue financial hardship from not being in Urizen."'' The motion was one of two that called on Naomi's unique skills, but the [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Senate_sessions#Appraise_integration_of_septs_of_the_Barrens\|earlier motion]] regarding the septs of [[the Barrens]] failed, leaving the [[Highguard\|Highborn]] prognosticator free to focus on the issues facing Spiral.		At the Summer Solstice, [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Senate_sessions#Appraise_Urizen_in_Spiral\|the Imperial Senate instructed]] [[Appraisal#Naomi_of_Virtue.27s_Rest\|Naomi of Virtue's Rest]] to ''"appraise what further the League can do so that the [[Urizen]] in [[Spiral]] can remain there peacefully while preserving their culture, ideally without suffering undue financial hardship from not being in Urizen."'' The motion was one of two that called on Naomi's unique skills, but the [[385YE_Summer_Solstice_Senate_sessions#Appraise_integration_of_septs_of_the_Barrens\|earlier motion]] regarding the septs of [[the Barrens]] failed, leaving the [[Highguard\|Highborn]] prognosticator free to focus on the issues facing Spiral.

Cathtice: /* The Rebels */

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The Rebels

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	Spurred on by the mandates of Hector and Mazo, a number of prominent spires, citadels and temples in the north of Spiral have rebelled against the Empire. They have seized the two regions of Ankra and Cinion and declared them to be part of Urizen, not the League, and say that they will no longer recognise the authority of the Empire or the Imperial Senate.		Spurred on by the mandates of Hector and Mazo, a number of prominent spires, citadels and temples in the north of Spiral have rebelled against the Empire. They have seized the two regions of Ankra and Cinion and declared them to be part of Urizen, not the League, and say that they will no longer recognise the authority of the Empire or the Imperial Senate.

	Stopping them will be difficult, not least because the aid of the Eternal [[Sung]] makes it almost impossible for any regular [[Imperial army]] to locate the rebellious spires. The [[Vale of Shadows\|illusions and shrouds]] that the ''Rainbow Serpent'' has [[The_fate_of_the_many#The_Serpent.27s_Edge\|helped provide]] will make it simple for Urizen magicians to avoid Imperial forces. An army could retake the regions, but they couldn't bring the rebellious spires to heel, because Sung's support makes it trivial for them to evade an army. The Empire would have to station an army in the territory on a permanent basis until the rebels are dealt with, otherwise they can simply declare independence again as soon as the territory is undefended. What is more, the '''Dancer at the End of Time''' has already demonstrated that she will offer aid to her friends in Spiral. The potent defences of the Vale of Shadows are unlikely to represent the limits of the aid she might offer if asked.		Stopping them will be difficult, not least because the aid of the Eternal [[Sung]] makes it almost impossible for any regular [[Imperial army]] to locate the rebellious spires. The [[Vale of Shadows\|illusions and shrouds]] that the ''Rainbow Serpent'' has [[The_fate_of_the_many#The_Serpent.27s_Edge\|helped provide]] will make it simple for Urizen magicians to avoid Imperial forces. An army could retake the regions, but they couldn't bring the rebellious spires to heel, because Sung's support makes it trivial for them to evade an army. The Empire would have to station an army in the territory on a permanent basis until the rebels are dealt with, otherwise they can simply declare independence again as soon as the territory is undefended. What is more, the ''Dancer at the End of Time'' has already demonstrated that she will offer aid to her friends in Spiral. The potent defences of the Vale of Shadows are unlikely to represent the limits of the aid she might offer if asked.

	The de facto leaders of these three groups are '''Tiborion of the Endless Horizen''', '''Caela of the Tower of the Silver Flame''' and '''Actius of the Deathless Cave'''. Naomi believes it may be possible to negotiate with the groups on the terms, but she advises caution and to have realistic expectations. The demands of Actius are perhaps the easiest to meet, but arguably because of this, they are unlikely to accept lesser terms. Caela is the most dogmatic, she and her allies want Spiral returned to Urizen and it is difficult to imagine what compromise there might be on that point. Tiborion is the most likely to be negotiable, but Naomi stresses that the architect will not be bought off with a pouch of League thrones. In their eyes they have lost a senator - they want something equivalent for Urizen in return.		The de facto leaders of these three groups are ''Tiborion of the Endless Horizen'', ''Caela of the Tower of the Silver Flame'' and ''Actius of the Deathless Cave''. Naomi believes it may be possible to negotiate with the groups on the terms, but she advises caution and to have realistic expectations. The demands of Actius are perhaps the easiest to meet, but arguably because of this, they are unlikely to accept lesser terms. Caela is the most dogmatic, she and her allies want Spiral returned to Urizen and it is difficult to imagine what compromise there might be on that point. Tiborion is the most likely to be negotiable, but Naomi stresses that the architect will not be bought off with a pouch of League thrones. In their eyes they have lost a senator - they want something equivalent for Urizen in return.

	Although the three groups have different aims and demands, they are standing together at present. If the demands of one or more groups could be met, then they could either be persuaded to stand down, making the remainder easier to deal with militarily, or they might be asked to use their influence with their fellow rebels. However Naomi advises that attempting both solutions will not work - if one of the rebel groups cuts their ties with the others and abandons their rebellion, then they won't have any further influence with the others.		Although the three groups have different aims and demands, they are standing together at present. If the demands of one or more groups could be met, then they could either be persuaded to stand down, making the remainder easier to deal with militarily, or they might be asked to use their influence with their fellow rebels. However Naomi advises that attempting both solutions will not work - if one of the rebel groups cuts their ties with the others and abandons their rebellion, then they won't have any further influence with the others.

Cathtice: /* Spires */

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Spires

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	* '''It would make it impossible to build a sinecure, ministry or great work that provided mana in Spiral'''		* '''It would make it impossible to build a sinecure, ministry or great work that provided mana in Spiral'''
	* '''This solution would fail if the Imperial Conclave imposed enmity on Sung'''		* '''This solution would fail if the Imperial Conclave imposed enmity on Sung'''
	There are many Urizen living in Spiral whose chief Loyalty is to their spire, citadel or temple. Their reasons are many and varied, some want to preserve the long history of their spire for the future. Others simply want to remain living in the only home they have ever known. Whatever the reason, this group is determined not to leave, if there is any way that they can stay. They have elected Actius, Arbiter of the Deathless Cave to represent them and provided him with a clear set of dictums to guide any negotiations.		There are many Urizen living in Spiral whose chief Loyalty is to their spire, citadel or temple. Their reasons are many and varied, some want to preserve the long history of their spire for the future. Others simply want to remain living in the only home they have ever known. Whatever the reason, this group is determined not to leave, if there is any way that they can stay. They have elected ''Actius, Arbiter of the Deathless Cave'' to represent them and provided him with a clear set of dictums to guide any negotiations.

	This faction are less concerned with who controls the territory. The decision of the Imperial Senate doesn't unduly concern them, what bothers them is the viability and Prosperity of their home. At present, they are standing with the other rebels, but they are clear that they are happy to accept any solution that ensures that they can continue to thrive in Spiral in the future.		This faction are less concerned with who controls the territory. The decision of the Imperial Senate doesn't unduly concern them, what bothers them is the viability and Prosperity of their home. At present, they are standing with the other rebels, but they are clear that they are happy to accept any solution that ensures that they can continue to thrive in Spiral in the future.

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	The only action that will bring the rebels back into the Imperial fold is if the Imperial Senate changes course and restores Spiral to Urizen. In theory that would be legally possible. It would need the Senate to pass a formal motion of [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Relinquishment\|relinquishment]] and then another motion to assign the territory to Spiral. Relinquishing Spiral would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]], [[The Throne#Ratification\|ratification]] by [[the Throne]], and would be subject to [[veto]] by the Assembly of Nine, the General Assembly and the League Assembly. This solution would solve all the problems that all the various Urizen factions in Spiral are experiencing - it would satisfy every group.		The only action that will bring the rebels back into the Imperial fold is if the Imperial Senate changes course and restores Spiral to Urizen. In theory that would be legally possible. It would need the Senate to pass a formal motion of [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Relinquishment\|relinquishment]] and then another motion to assign the territory to Spiral. Relinquishing Spiral would require a [[Senate_motion#Constitutional_Vote\|constitutional vote]], [[The Throne#Ratification\|ratification]] by [[the Throne]], and would be subject to [[veto]] by the Assembly of Nine, the General Assembly and the League Assembly. This solution would solve all the problems that all the various Urizen factions in Spiral are experiencing - it would satisfy every group.

	However, it would be disastrous for the Empire's newest citizens. It would be perceived by many as a violation of the treaty that the Empire signed with Salt Lord ~~Kalliact~~ barely two seasons ago. The former Salt Lord would be publicly humiliated, her followers would abandon the League and turn on her. A handful would be able to flee the territory, but Apulian would be torn apart in the violence as the large population, many of whom are still legally members of the Grendel at present, attempted to reassert their control.		However, it would be disastrous for the Empire's newest citizens. It would be perceived by many as a violation of the treaty that the Empire signed with Salt Lord Kaliact barely two seasons ago. The former Salt Lord would be publicly humiliated, her followers would abandon the League and turn on her. A handful would be able to flee the territory, but Apulian would be torn apart in the violence as the large population, many of whom are still legally members of the Grendel at present, attempted to reassert their control.

	Apulian and the neighbouring regions of Apulus and Apstrus would revert to Grendel control, ''assuming that the League Assembly didn't encourage others to take up arms to fight for Apulian in exactly the same way the Urizen have just done''.		Apulian and the neighbouring regions of Apulus and Apstrus would revert to Grendel control, ''assuming that the League Assembly didn't encourage others to take up arms to fight for Apulian in exactly the same way the Urizen have just done''.
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	Stopping them will be difficult, not least because the aid of the Eternal [[Sung]] makes it almost impossible for any regular [[Imperial army]] to locate the rebellious spires. The [[Vale of Shadows\|illusions and shrouds]] that the ''Rainbow Serpent'' has [[The_fate_of_the_many#The_Serpent.27s_Edge\|helped provide]] will make it simple for Urizen magicians to avoid Imperial forces. An army could retake the regions, but they couldn't bring the rebellious spires to heel, because Sung's support makes it trivial for them to evade an army. The Empire would have to station an army in the territory on a permanent basis until the rebels are dealt with, otherwise they can simply declare independence again as soon as the territory is undefended. What is more, the '''Dancer at the End of Time''' has already demonstrated that she will offer aid to her friends in Spiral. The potent defences of the Vale of Shadows are unlikely to represent the limits of the aid she might offer if asked.		Stopping them will be difficult, not least because the aid of the Eternal [[Sung]] makes it almost impossible for any regular [[Imperial army]] to locate the rebellious spires. The [[Vale of Shadows\|illusions and shrouds]] that the ''Rainbow Serpent'' has [[The_fate_of_the_many#The_Serpent.27s_Edge\|helped provide]] will make it simple for Urizen magicians to avoid Imperial forces. An army could retake the regions, but they couldn't bring the rebellious spires to heel, because Sung's support makes it trivial for them to evade an army. The Empire would have to station an army in the territory on a permanent basis until the rebels are dealt with, otherwise they can simply declare independence again as soon as the territory is undefended. What is more, the '''Dancer at the End of Time''' has already demonstrated that she will offer aid to her friends in Spiral. The potent defences of the Vale of Shadows are unlikely to represent the limits of the aid she might offer if asked.

	The ~~defacto~~ leaders of these three groups are '''Tiborion of the Endless Horizen''', '''Caela of the Tower of the Silver Flame''' and '''Actius of the Deathless Cave'''. Naomi believes it may be possible to negotiate with the groups on the terms, but she advises caution and to have realistic expectations. The demands of Actius are perhaps the easiest to meet, but arguably because of this, they are unlikely to accept lesser terms. Caela is the most dogmatic, she and her allies want Spiral returned to Urizen and it is difficult to imagine what compromise there might be on that point. Tiborion is the most likely to be negotiable, but Naomi stresses that the architect will not be bought off with a pouch of League thrones. In their eyes they have lost a senator - they want something equivalent for Urizen in return.		The de facto leaders of these three groups are '''Tiborion of the Endless Horizen''', '''Caela of the Tower of the Silver Flame''' and '''Actius of the Deathless Cave'''. Naomi believes it may be possible to negotiate with the groups on the terms, but she advises caution and to have realistic expectations. The demands of Actius are perhaps the easiest to meet, but arguably because of this, they are unlikely to accept lesser terms. Caela is the most dogmatic, she and her allies want Spiral returned to Urizen and it is difficult to imagine what compromise there might be on that point. Tiborion is the most likely to be negotiable, but Naomi stresses that the architect will not be bought off with a pouch of League thrones. In their eyes they have lost a senator - they want something equivalent for Urizen in return.

	Although the three groups have different aims and demands, they are standing together at present. If the demands of one or more groups could be met, then they could either be persuaded to stand down, making the remainder easier to deal with militarily, or they might be asked to use their influence with their fellow rebels. However Naomi advises that attempting both solutions will not work - if one of the rebel groups cuts their ties with the others and abandons their rebellion, then they won't have any further influence with the others.		Although the three groups have different aims and demands, they are standing together at present. If the demands of one or more groups could be met, then they could either be persuaded to stand down, making the remainder easier to deal with militarily, or they might be asked to use their influence with their fellow rebels. However Naomi advises that attempting both solutions will not work - if one of the rebel groups cuts their ties with the others and abandons their rebellion, then they won't have any further influence with the others.
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	While the two secessionist regions are no longer part of the Empire, they will still learn of any statements of principle passed by the Urizen Assembly. They consider themselves to be Urizen and are likely to listen to any statement and consider it carefully. A statement of principle or alternative mandate '''won't''' persuade them to abandon their rebellion - it has gone too far for that now. It is always difficult and expensive for an Assembly to reverse course on a previous position. However the Urizen Assembly could encourage them to go further - there are rebels in Ossuary, Ateri and Screed who could be persuaded to move if the Assembly chose to press the case further with a suitable mandate.		While the two secessionist regions are no longer part of the Empire, they will still learn of any statements of principle passed by the Urizen Assembly. They consider themselves to be Urizen and are likely to listen to any statement and consider it carefully. A statement of principle or alternative mandate '''won't''' persuade them to abandon their rebellion - it has gone too far for that now. It is always difficult and expensive for an Assembly to reverse course on a previous position. However the Urizen Assembly could encourage them to go further - there are rebels in Ossuary, Ateri and Screed who could be persuaded to move if the Assembly chose to press the case further with a suitable mandate.

	{{Mandate\|mandate=The truly virtuous are loyal even through hardship and misfortune. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to encourage the remaining Urizen living in Spiral to take up arms and defend their homes. Loyalty is not displayed by words or deeds alone, but by the unity of both.\|assembly=Urizen National Assembly or Loyalty Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The truly virtuous are loyal even through hardship and misfortune. We send {named priest} with 25 doses of liao to encourage the remaining Urizen living in Spiral to take up arms and defend their homes. Loyalty is not displayed by words or deeds alone, but by the unity of both.\|assembly=Urizen National Assembly or Loyalty Assembly}}
	If this mandate is enacted, then the rebellion will spread across Spiral, and armed groups of Urizeni will seize the regions of Ossuary, Ateri and Screed unless they are stopped. This would require the presence of an Imperial army stationed in the territory with clear orders to defeat the rebels. The army would take losses in the resulting fighting, but the rebellion would be prevented from spreading.		If this mandate is enacted, then the rebellion will spread across Spiral, and armed groups of Urizeni will seize the regions of Ossuary, Ateri and Screed unless they are stopped. This would require the presence of an Imperial army stationed in the territory with clear orders to defeat the rebels. The army would take losses in the resulting fighting, but the rebellion would be prevented from spreading.

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	==The Mammoth in the Tent==		==The Mammoth in the Tent==
	* '''It's not clear what influence the presence of the {{Black Plateau}} will have on the developing situation'''		* '''It's not clear what influence the presence of the {{Black Plateau}} will have on the developing situation'''
	Shortly before the Spring Equinox 382YE, the [[Iron Helms]] deliberately roiled the dreadful force that lies at the heart of [[Spiral#Screed\|Screed]], using the curse to destroy three Grendel ~~amies~~, but the cost was unimaginable. Fully roused, the Plateau makes life in Spiral almost unbearable and no magic seems to be able to quell it. In the years since then, the residents of Spiral, Urizen and Grendel alike, have been careful to avoid doing anything that might rouse the {{Black Plateau}} further. Those who have studied it say that years of peace are required for it to settle down, probably at least a decade and possibly more. With the short-lived peace in danger of unravelling, it's not impossible that if the situation in Spiral continues to escalate that {{Black Plateau}} might begin to become more active again.		Shortly before the Spring Equinox 382YE, the [[Iron Helms]] deliberately roiled the dreadful force that lies at the heart of [[Spiral#Screed\|Screed]], using the curse to destroy three Grendel armies, but the cost was unimaginable. Fully roused, the Plateau makes life in Spiral almost unbearable and no magic seems to be able to quell it. In the years since then, the residents of Spiral - Urizen and Grendel alike - have been careful to avoid doing anything that might rouse the {{Black Plateau}} further. Those who have studied it say that years of peace are required for it to settle down, probably at least a decade and possibly more. With the short-lived peace in danger of unravelling, it's not impossible that if the situation in Spiral continues to escalate that the {{Black Plateau}} might begin to become more active again.
	==Further Reading==		==Further Reading==
	* [[Windfall]] - 385YE Summer Wind of Fortune about the Apulian orcs and the League		* [[Windfall]] - 385YE Summer Wind of Fortune about the Apulian orcs and the League
	* [[The fate of the many]] - 385 Summer Wind of Fortune about the Urizen situation in Spiral		* [[The fate of the many]] - 385 Summer Wind of Fortune about the Urizen situation in Spiral